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yes i just got done watching mab vs jmm again, and heard once again how ridiculous those score cards where. I though mab won majority of the first half, then jmm dominated the 7th round but was floored at the last second(back to this round later). Jmm imo won majority of the second half, but the second half were more close rounds then the first as mab looked to had jmm beaten with his jabs.

Now as jmm began to come alive around the 4th round, 5th and 6th were still close. The 7th round was the turning point well up until mab came up with a brilliant straight right on jmms chin. With 1:32 left in the 7th round Jmm landed a huge straight right that had mab in trouble. Mab ofcourse battled back but Jmm again had mab in trouble between 55-50 seconds left into the round and almost had mab out of there but mab caught jmm with 46 seconds left in the 7th round with a short uppercut to stop jmm. That punch mab threw may have been what saved him from a stoppage, he showed why his a legend. Never easy to put him away, with little details like that his a fighter that must be appreciated for all time. Then that vintage barrera with 3 seconds left in a round where he was nearly put out and dominated, marco comes up with a huge straight right on the chin to put jmm on the canvas. Unfortunately Jay Nady didn't call it a knock down, if you guys look closely a guy in a blue jacket outside the ring infront of Nady signals not a knock down waving his hands in a fasion of "no knockdown sign". In the heat of the moment imo Nady was influence to react and falsely call it not a knock down. But before hand, marco mistakenly shows his mean streak and takes a shot at jmms head while jmm is on the canvas. Nady then compliments his mistake of calling a no knock down with a deduction to marco for hitting jmm while on the canvas. Crazy round but a great one that sticks out as one of the best rounds in recent years.

What did you guys think of the fight and the 7th round? I had the 7th round 9-8 for jmm, becuase i thought he won the round but i deducted a point cause he was knock down. I gave mab 8 points cause minus the deduction for hitting jmm while on the floor. So without the knockdown and point deduction it would of been a regular 10-9 round for marquez.

heres round 7:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gi55n0a4kk&NR=1

Even without that knockdown it was a close fight, and Marquez definitely didn't win by 5 or 6 rounds... Even though he had the upper hand in the later rounds, he didn't win them all just as Barrera didn't win all the early rounds, but htis fight was so much closer than Pacquaio-Barrera it isn't even funny.

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118-109????????????????

yes i just got done watching mab vs jmm again, and heard once again how ridiculous those score cards where. I though mab won majority of the first half, then jmm dominated the 7th round but was floored at the last second(back to this round later). Jmm imo won majority of the second half, but the second half were more close rounds then the first as mab looked to had jmm beaten with his jabs.

Now as jmm began to come alive around the 4th round, 5th and 6th were still close. The 7th round was the turning point well up until mab came up with a brilliant straight right on jmms chin. With 1:32 left in the 7th round Jmm landed a huge straight right that had mab in trouble. Mab ofcourse battled back but Jmm again had mab in trouble between 55-50 seconds left into the round and almost had mab out of there but mab caught jmm with 46 seconds left in the 7th round with a short uppercut to stop jmm. That punch mab threw may have been what saved him from a stoppage, he showed why his a legend. Never easy to put him away, with little details like that his a fighter that must be appreciated for all time. Then that vintage barrera with 3 seconds left in a round where he was nearly put out and dominated, marco comes up with a huge straight right on the chin to put jmm on the canvas. Unfortunately Jay Nady didn't call it a knock down, if you guys look closely a guy in a blue jacket outside the ring infront of Nady signals not a knock down waving his hands in a fasion of "no knockdown sign". In the heat of the moment imo Nady was influence to react and falsely call it not a knock down. But before hand, marco mistakenly shows his mean streak and takes a shot at jmms head while jmm is on the canvas. Nady then compliments his mistake of calling a no knock down with a deduction to marco for hitting jmm while on the canvas. Crazy round but a great one that sticks out as one of the best rounds in recent years.

What did you guys think of the fight and the 7th round? I had the 7th round 9-8 for jmm, becuase i thought he won the round but i deducted a point cause he was knock down. I gave mab 8 points cause minus the deduction for hitting jmm while on the floor. So without the knockdown and point deduction it would of been a regular 10-9 round for marquez.

heres round 7:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gi55n0a4kk&NR=1

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One thing Rains before i reply to this is that you cannot score a round 9-8 on the 10 point must system. Anyway i thought this was a very close fight i wouldn't of been disappointed with 1 or 2 point victory for either man but the scorecards were ridiculous. A lot of rounds could of gone either way because mostly every round was competitive except for 2 rounds. I have only watched this fight a few times so i can't remember my exact scorecard but if i remember right i scored it a draw. One argument that i hate is the *Power Punches Stats*. Yes Marquez did have quite a big advantage in that department but the stats are very misleading because Marquez did out land Barrera in power punches in a big way in the one sided 7th round and another round i think it was the 10th ?? but other than that they were pretty even in power punches so that stat is very misleading. As for the knockdown in the 7th it was a terrible call by the ref and he clearly was in a good position to see the knock down, this is where i think we need to have replay for the ref in between rounds so the ref can see for himself if it was a knock down or not or etc.

Overall great boxing match that was slightly ruined because of the ridiculous scoring.

i love the mexican wars..lol

Jay Nady is a fuk wipe plain and simple.... Shameful very shameful that wasnt scored a knock down

wait.. i'm confused.. what was the point deduction for if it wasn't called a knockdown?.. i mean, it was obviously a knockdown, but that is besides the point..

If it was a knockdown and Barerra hit JMM when he was down, then a point could've been deducted.. but if he wasn't "down" then why did Barerra get penalized by hitting him?

Anyway.. JMM lucked out by not going down to his knee.. usually I'd encourage the fighter to just give in and take the knee at that point to avoid any more punishment on the way down and try to regroup.. That was pretty terrible though.

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wait.. i'm confused.. what was the point deduction for if it wasn't called a knockdown?.. i mean, it was obviously a knockdown, but that is besides the point..

If it was a knockdown and Barerra hit JMM when he was down, then a point could've been deducted.. but if he wasn't "down" then why did Barerra get penalized by hitting him?

Anyway.. JMM lucked out by not going down to his knee.. usually I'd encourage the fighter to just give in and take the knee at that point to avoid any more punishment on the way down and try to regroup.. That was pretty terrible though.

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Nady said he thought Barrera hit Marquez on the shoulder or something ?? but anyway he hit Marquez while he was on the floor and looking at it from Nady's point of view he thought it wasn't a knock down and clearly see Barrera deliberately Marquez while he was on the floor plus hitting your opponent while he is on the canvas is a terrible foul, Barrera has always been a bit of a hot head.

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wait.. i'm confused.. what was the point deduction for if it wasn't called a knockdown?.. i mean, it was obviously a knockdown, but that is besides the point..

If it was a knockdown and Barerra hit JMM when he was down, then a point could've been deducted.. but if he wasn't "down" then why did Barerra get penalized by hitting him?

Anyway.. JMM lucked out by not going down to his knee.. usually I'd encourage the fighter to just give in and take the knee at that point to avoid any more punishment on the way down and try to regroup.. That was pretty terrible though.

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Nady said he thought Barrera hit Marquez on the shoulder or something ?? but anyway he hit Marquez while he was on the floor and looking at it from Nady's point of view he thought it wasn't a knock down and clearly see Barrera deliberately Marquez while he was on the floor plus hitting your opponent while he is on the canvas is a terrible foul, Barrera has always been a bit of a hot head.

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ah.. thanks Ice..

I agree it was a stupid action on MAB's part, but in his defense the ref should've got in there and forced him to a neutral corner and scored the knockdown before Barerra even had a chance to do that.. Barerra sort of hesitated and wondered why the ref didn't get in the way, and then decided to hit JMM to make him really go down..

regardless of what he's done before, I don't think you can blame a boxer for continuing to fight when there is no stoppage, or in this case a knockdown.. Mayweather/Gatti comes to mind, and also one that is sort of similar was Gomez against Concepcion.. Gomez basically turned Concepcion with punches, so that he had his back to Gomez, and the ref didn't stop it, so Gomez ran up to him and KO'd him.. I think in these circumstances, it was more of a ref error than MAB.

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wait.. i'm confused.. what was the point deduction for if it wasn't called a knockdown?.. i mean, it was obviously a knockdown, but that is besides the point..

If it was a knockdown and Barerra hit JMM when he was down, then a point could've been deducted.. but if he wasn't "down" then why did Barerra get penalized by hitting him?

Anyway.. JMM lucked out by not going down to his knee.. usually I'd encourage the fighter to just give in and take the knee at that point to avoid any more punishment on the way down and try to regroup.. That was pretty terrible though.

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Nady said he thought Barrera hit Marquez on the shoulder or something ?? but anyway he hit Marquez while he was on the floor and looking at it from Nady's point of view he thought it wasn't a knock down and clearly see Barrera deliberately Marquez while he was on the floor plus hitting your opponent while he is on the canvas is a terrible foul, Barrera has always been a bit of a hot head.

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ah.. thanks Ice..

I agree it was a stupid action on MAB's part, but in his defense the ref should've got in there and forced him to a neutral corner and scored the knockdown before Barerra even had a chance to do that.. Barerra sort of hesitated and wondered why the ref didn't get in the way, and then decided to hit JMM to make him really go down..

regardless of what he's done before, I don't think you can blame a boxer for continuing to fight when there is no stoppage, or in this case a knockdown.. Mayweather/Gatti comes to mind, and also one that is sort of similar was Gomez against Concepcion.. Gomez basically turned Concepcion with punches, so that he had his back to Gomez, and the ref didn't stop it, so Gomez ran up to him and KO'd him.. I think in these circumstances, it was more of a ref error than MAB.

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Oh don't get me wrong bro i thought Nady made terrible error, im MAB fan have been for at least decade. I was just looking at it from the Nady's point of view but still it was a terrible error. But with hindsight would it have even mattered ?? because the stupid judges had it so wide anyways.

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118-109????????????????

yes i just got done watching mab vs jmm again, and heard once again how ridiculous those score cards where. I though mab won majority of the first half, then jmm dominated the 7th round but was floored at the last second(back to this round later). Jmm imo won majority of the second half, but the second half were more close rounds then the first as mab looked to had jmm beaten with his jabs.

Now as jmm began to come alive around the 4th round, 5th and 6th were still close. The 7th round was the turning point well up until mab came up with a brilliant straight right on jmms chin. With 1:32 left in the 7th round Jmm landed a huge straight right that had mab in trouble. Mab ofcourse battled back but Jmm again had mab in trouble between 55-50 seconds left into the round and almost had mab out of there but mab caught jmm with 46 seconds left in the 7th round with a short uppercut to stop jmm. That punch mab threw may have been what saved him from a stoppage, he showed why his a legend. Never easy to put him away, with little details like that his a fighter that must be appreciated for all time. Then that vintage barrera with 3 seconds left in a round where he was nearly put out and dominated, marco comes up with a huge straight right on the chin to put jmm on the canvas. Unfortunately Jay Nady didn't call it a knock down, if you guys look closely a guy in a blue jacket outside the ring infront of Nady signals not a knock down waving his hands in a fasion of "no knockdown sign". In the heat of the moment imo Nady was influence to react and falsely call it not a knock down. But before hand, marco mistakenly shows his mean streak and takes a shot at jmms head while jmm is on the canvas. Nady then compliments his mistake of calling a no knock down with a deduction to marco for hitting jmm while on the canvas. Crazy round but a great one that sticks out as one of the best rounds in recent years.

What did you guys think of the fight and the 7th round? I had the 7th round 9-8 for jmm, becuase i thought he won the round but i deducted a point cause he was knock down. I gave mab 8 points cause minus the deduction for hitting jmm while on the floor. So without the knockdown and point deduction it would of been a regular 10-9 round for marquez.

heres round 7:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gi55n0a4kk&NR=1

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One thing Rains before i reply to this is that you cannot score a round 9-8 on the 10 point must system. Anyway i thought this was a very close fight i wouldn't of been disappointed with 1 or 2 point victory for either man but the scorecards were ridiculous. A lot of rounds could of gone either way because mostly every round was competitive except for 2 rounds. I have only watched this fight a few times so i can't remember my exact scorecard but if i remember right i scored it a draw. One argument that i hate is the *Power Punches Stats*. Yes Marquez did have quite a big advantage in that department but the stats are very misleading because Marquez did out land Barrera in power punches in a big way in the one sided 7th round and another round i think it was the 10th ?? but other than that they were pretty even in power punches so that stat is very misleading. As for the knockdown in the 7th it was a terrible call by the ref and he clearly was in a good position to see the knock down, this is where i think we need to have replay for the ref in between rounds so the ref can see for himself if it was a knock down or not or etc.

Overall great boxing match that was slightly ruined because of the ridiculous scoring.

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I understand that, i hate the 10 point must system. this fight is a great example, if nady would of rule the knockdown correctly it would of been impossible to follow the 10 point must system. Since it would deduct a point from jmm for getting k.d. and a point from mab for hitting while jmm is on the floor. The only correct score for that round would of been 9-9 and the 10 point must system wouldn't make any sense cause in that round both fighters deserved to be deducted a point resulting in no 10 point for either. The reason I had to score it 9-8 cause I thought jmm won the round therfor i deducted another point from marco to make it 9-8 for jmm. I just can't give either fighter a 10 point for that round. My scorecard isn't official so as a fan that had the benefit of seeing the reply I am entitled to abondan the 10 point must system. I think they need to get rid of the 10 point must system and add a reply review for the ref and judges. I hate how the lazy judges decide the outcome of the fight while the fighters are the one doing the hard work inside the ring. Sometimes we should throw in those judges in the ring for being idiots, but i gotta to admit though that 10 point must system makes scoring even harder. Boxing really needs some tuning up, this fight is a great example. A great fight turn bizarre due to bad judges, bad call, and a poor system.

Im not sure what the power stats were, but check this out 3:38 of the video. It'll show how even they were with punches thrown. Both threw 529 total punches thru 9 rounds, and one 1 punch different in landed of punches. Marco landed 204, and jmm landed 203. That one punch marco landed gave him a 1% more accuracy then jmm. Marco 39% and Jmm 38%. This fight was needle thin close, for those judges to score the way they did they should never be allowed to judge a fight again.

3:38 of the video shows the stats thru the 9th;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1qwCjLIkn0&NR=1

I was saying the same shit right after the fight that 7th round cost MAB the fight, that was a 2 or 3 point swing, and the f'in scorecards were ridiculous, GBP first robbery of the year. All the JMM buttmonkeys came flying to his defense, look who was all busted up after the fight, not MAB....

The late hit was Nady's fault IMO, if he would have been paying attention he should have gotten in between them or scored the knockdown, he didnt do either. You are supposed to keep fighting until the ref stops you or the guy is down, since no knockdown was scored you keep fighting. Nady is not a very good ref IMO, just look at that dumb narrow eyed face and you can tell he's not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Barrera has nobody but himself to blame for the point deduction. It's was clearly on purpose.

if that wasnt a knockdown how is MAB penalized for hitting his opponent while he is down? didnt that happen against roy jones and he got DQ'd when he hit Hill while Hill was down. and i hope that HBO fires Steward. he is a trainer at best. why does he always have to be the one that is different. everybody calls it a KD and he said no.. he might felt like a dik after the replay.

Watching that clip pisses me off....look how Marquez is rocked and stumbling after getting up, yeah that was a slip you idiot! In slow motion yeah it looks like he hit him on purpose but in real time he just finishing like your supposed to when you have someone in trouble, Nady came in late and grabbed his arm, he barely even landed , that should have been a warning at most not a point immediately without thinking about it.

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if that wasnt a knockdown how is MAB penalized for hitting his opponent while he is down? didnt that happen against roy jones and he got DQ'd when he hit Hill while Hill was down. and i hope that HBO fires Steward. he is a trainer at best. why does he always have to be the one that is different. everybody calls it a KD and he said no.. he might felt like a dik after the replay.

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Yes that did happen to Roy Jones but it was against Montel Griffin in there 1st fight not Virgil Hill.

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if that wasnt a knockdown how is MAB penalized for hitting his opponent while he is down? didnt that happen against roy jones and he got DQ'd when he hit Hill while Hill was down. and i hope that HBO fires Steward. he is a trainer at best. why does he always have to be the one that is different. everybody calls it a KD and he said no.. he might felt like a dik after the replay.

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Yes that did happen to Roy Jones but it was against Montel Griffin in there 1st fight not Virgil Hill.

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thanks ICB, i knew there was something wrong with my post. thanks

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Barrera has nobody but himself to blame for the point deduction. It's was clearly on purpose.

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I dont think you can say that for sure, yeah in slow motion it looks that way, but also notice how Nady breaks them up. He comes in from behind Barrera how is he supposed to see that, and Nady grabbed his freaking arm mid punch. Barrera wasnt in the wrong IMO.

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Barrera has nobody but himself to blame for the point deduction. It's was clearly on purpose.

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Yeah he hit him on purpose but thats Barrera for you .

It was a good close fight and Barrera got puncished twice for that once for the knockdown not being scored and the 2nd time for deducting Barrera a point . Lederman had Barrera 1 point up at the end of that . Shame they didnt do it again .

Marco was in decline in that fight but next time out he looked washed up . I doubt he'll ever be in a big fight like that again .