Winky Wrights track record.......second to none.

The last seven fights from recent to oldest:

1. Hopkins------Close fight but he was weight divisions to high
2. Quartey------A smaller Quartey was defeated....however Ike has one of the best jabs out there.
3. Taylor----Draw and hometown ?
4. Soliman---A solid 'give me' fight.
5. trinidad---one of the most one sided tactical displays ever.
6. Mosely
7. Mosely------enough said.

In addition he fought Vargas.
McKart x3
Frazier
Rob Frazier

Almost all of his fights have been in someone else's back yard. I know everyone thinks he sucks but with a record like that how are you going to not pay respect?

Clarification: Strength of opposition. Not necessarily track record.

:coolclick: yep Winky's record is stellar.

What is ironic is that a year or so ago he was the fighter everybody loved, the hardcore fan's fighter, everybody on here raved about him and he was respected by all.

Even more ironically but I guess rather predictably for me I used to make posts about how he was the most overratted fighter on Saddo's. ::**

This marks my third complete about turn now from becoming an MMA fan, to watching the little guys fight, to now defending Winky as one of the world's best. :-\ :P

Iv always struggled to like Winky but stylistically, he was hell for ANYONE.

After the Taylor fight i was almost sold on him but i still cant understand why he decided to fight at 170 at the point when he was on the cusp of real success?

What a mistake that has proven to be.

Always liked Winky. Real treat watching him over here a few years back beating up Dodson and Foster, different league.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

The last seven fights from recent to oldest:

1. Hopkins------Close fight but he was weight divisions to high
2. Quartey------A smaller Quartey was defeated....however Ike has one of the best jabs out there.
3. Taylor----Draw and hometown ?
4. Soliman---A solid 'give me' fight.
5. trinidad---one of the most one sided tactical displays ever.
6. Mosely
7. Mosely------enough said.

In addition he fought Vargas.
McKart x3
Frazier
Rob Frazier

Almost all of his fights have been in someone else's back yard. I know everyone thinks he sucks but with a record like that how are you going to not pay respect?

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Been slightly disappointed with Wrights decision's lately but i still like him as a fighter. He fights anyone out there and he was one of the most avoided fighters at one time, with one of the best defense's of our modern era. And you also forgot to mention Harry Simon Winky fought him in South Africa.

i like winky and think he's solid and a tough guy but let be real if he were pound for pound the top guy...those fighters he faced would be looked at more like this

hopkins- lost to an old out of shape bhop
quartey- another small guy making a brief comebck
taylor - get little credit for giving the bigger man a draw
soliman- a workhorse that gave him hell
trinidad- the naturally smaller man coming off a long lay off
mosley- ditto
mosley- the smaller man he should have beaten

what a difference not being champ or p4p number one makes as far as how your competition is viewed...

if Hopkins is out of shape then I don't want to be any more in shape...

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i like winky and think he's solid and a tough guy but let be real if he were pound for pound the top guy...those fighters he faced would be looked at more like this

hopkins- lost to an old out of shape bhop
quartey- another small guy making a brief comebck
taylor - get little credit for giving the bigger man a draw
soliman- a workhorse that gave him hell
trinidad- the naturally smaller man coming off a long lay off
mosley- ditto
mosley- the smaller man he should have beaten

what a difference not being champ or p4p number one makes as far as how your competition is viewed...

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Well lets be fair, Hopkins was and still is one tough nut to crack and like was said before it was such a big mistake to go up and face him. Even though I do remember very clearly that Wright was the favorite here at Saddo.

The fight with Taylor was actually a real good fight and a good performance by both. I feel Winky should've pressed on at the end and he would've gotten the win. And again, lets be fair, Taylor is a hell of a fighter who just had wicked opposition during his short reign.

As for the rest, names on a list can be decieving, those guys were either semi inactive (Quartey and Trinidad), or coming out of loosing streaks (Mosley)

I do give great respect for Wright and I know he is one of those fighters that nothing was given to him, he had to take it. But I also don't think he should be rated any higher than other modern era 2 time, one division champions.

Winky beat taylor, no ifs ands or buts
Winky is P4P one of the best right now.
Very. VERY difficult to fight.
One of my favs!

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Winky beat taylor, no ifs ands or buts
Winky is P4P one of the best right now.
Very. VERY difficult to fight.
One of my favs!

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No Winky did not beat Taylor it was a draw, very close fight that could of gone either way. And Winky is nowhere near being one of the best P4P fighters at the moment, he isn't even top 10 P4P fighter.

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Winky beat taylor, no ifs ands or buts
Winky is P4P one of the best right now.
Very. VERY difficult to fight.
One of my favs!

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Although overzealous.......CC for the enthusiasm.

I'm with ya booze, cc.
As strange as it sounds the Wright-Trinidad fight is what got me into boxing, the technical brilliance Winky showed in that fight was awsome. He's been my favorite fighter since that point. There's no doubt in my mind that fighting B-Hop at 170 was a big mistake though, even if he had won the find he was still going to have to cut weight for his next fight and at his age that could have serious consequences.

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Winky beat taylor, no ifs ands or buts
Winky is P4P one of the best right now.
Very. VERY difficult to fight.
One of my favs!

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No Winky did not beat Taylor it was a draw, very close fight that could of gone either way. And Winky is nowhere near being one of the best P4P fighters at the moment, he isn't even top 10 P4P fighter.

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I would still have him in the top 10 P4P list, he only lost (competitively) to B-Hop, who is easily in the top 5 P4P. But those are so subjective and I'm obviously biased. I also felt he was robbed against Taylor (again, I'm biased), but I couldn't believe he didn't press the action in the last round. I still shake my head about that.

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The last seven fights from recent to oldest:

1. Hopkins------Close fight but he was weight divisions to high
2. Quartey------A smaller Quartey was defeated....however Ike has one of the best jabs out there.
3. Taylor----Draw and hometown ?
4. Soliman---A solid 'give me' fight.
5. trinidad---one of the most one sided tactical displays ever.
6. Mosely
7. Mosely------enough said.

In addition he fought Vargas.
McKart x3
Frazier
Rob Frazier

Almost all of his fights have been in someone else's back yard. I know everyone thinks he sucks but with a record like that how are you going to not pay respect?

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Winky always had that tight defense that was almost as effective while he was moving forward.Pretty unique and not what you think of In the traditional Definition of defense.Sort of a victim early on of his abilitys as far as Media and not afraid to travel overseas.
Throw in solid all around workman Keith Mullings and although it was a loss against Julio C. Vasquez,In France,to me,that fight was not a blow out in round scoring,but on points.He was dropped about 5 times ( 4 legit) But Wright held his own in the No KD rounds.Stood toe to toe (not smart) I gave him rounds 1,3,4,5 8 & 10.
Could still mop up 154 If he would maintain weight.

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I'm with ya booze, cc.
As strange as it sounds the Wright-Trinidad fight is what got me into boxing, the technical brilliance Winky showed in that fight was awsome. He's been my favorite fighter since that point. There's no doubt in my mind that fighting B-Hop at 170 was a big mistake though, even if he had won the find he was still going to have to cut weight for his next fight and at his age that could have serious consequences.

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Winky beat taylor, no ifs ands or buts
Winky is P4P one of the best right now.
Very. VERY difficult to fight.
One of my favs!

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No Winky did not beat Taylor it was a draw, very close fight that could of gone either way. And Winky is nowhere near being one of the best P4P fighters at the moment, he isn't even top 10 P4P fighter.

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I would still have him in the top 10 P4P list, he only lost (competitively) to B-Hop, who is easily in the top 5 P4P. But those are so subjective and I'm obviously biased. I also felt he was robbed against Taylor (again, I'm biased), but I couldn't believe he didn't press the action in the last round. I still shake my head about that.

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1 Floyd Mayweather
2 Manny Pacquiao
3 Joe Calzaghe
4 Bernard Hopkins
5 Juan Manuel Marquez
6 Miguel Cotto
7 Israel Vasquez
8 Rafael Marquez
9 Ivan Calderon
10 Juan Diaz
11 Kelly Pavlik
12 Winky Wright
13 Ricky Hatton
14 Joan Guzman
15 Jermain Taylor
16 Shane Mosley
17 Mikkel Kessler
18 Christian Mijares
19 Wladimir Klitschko
20 Chris John

Thats how i roughly see the top 20.

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I'm with ya booze, cc.
As strange as it sounds the Wright-Trinidad fight is what got me into boxing, the technical brilliance Winky showed in that fight was awsome. He's been my favorite fighter since that point. There's no doubt in my mind that fighting B-Hop at 170 was a big mistake though, even if he had won the find he was still going to have to cut weight for his next fight and at his age that could have serious consequences.

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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce

Winky beat taylor, no ifs ands or buts
Winky is P4P one of the best right now.
Very. VERY difficult to fight.
One of my favs!

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No Winky did not beat Taylor it was a draw, very close fight that could of gone either way. And Winky is nowhere near being one of the best P4P fighters at the moment, he isn't even top 10 P4P fighter.

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I would still have him in the top 10 P4P list, he only lost (competitively) to B-Hop, who is easily in the top 5 P4P. But those are so subjective and I'm obviously biased. I also felt he was robbed against Taylor (again, I'm biased), but I couldn't believe he didn't press the action in the last round. I still shake my head about that.

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1 Floyd Mayweather
2 Manny Pacquiao
3 Joe Calzaghe
4 Bernard Hopkins
5 Juan Manuel Marquez
6 Miguel Cotto
7 Israel Vasquez
8 Rafael Marquez
9 Ivan Calderon
10 Juan Diaz
11 Kelly Pavlik
12 Winky Wright
13 Ricky Hatton
14 Joan Guzman
15 Jermain Taylor
16 Shane Mosley
17 Mikkel Kessler
18 Christian Mijares
19 Wladimir Klitschko
20 Chris John

Thats how i roughly see the top 20.

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It's hard to argue with most of that list, like I said they're very subjective. I don't agree with having Juan Diaz ranked that high though, I'd have Pavlik and Wright ahead of him for sure, and maybe a few others as well.

Good record but it is second to someone

Winky should have won the Taylor fight. Even though he boxed the 12rd he still won the round. This whole thing about him giving away the 12rd is the dumbest shit ever. Winky won the 12rd by boxing.

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Winky should have won the Taylor fight. Even though he boxed the 12rd he still won the round. This whole thing about him giving away the 12rd is the dumbest shit ever. Winky won the 12rd by boxing.

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I feel he won the 12th as well, but he sure didn't do it in convincing fashion, which is why Taylor got the round on two of the scorecards.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

The last seven fights from recent to oldest:

1. Hopkins------Close fight but he was weight divisions to high
2. Quartey------A smaller Quartey was defeated....however Ike has one of the best jabs out there.
3. Taylor----Draw and hometown ?
4. Soliman---A solid 'give me' fight.
5. trinidad---one of the most one sided tactical displays ever.
6. Mosely
7. Mosely------enough said.

In addition he fought Vargas.
McKart x3
Frazier
Rob Frazier

Almost all of his fights have been in someone else's back yard. I know everyone thinks he sucks but with a record like that how are you going to not pay respect?

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Can't say I have ever heard any fight fan worth his weight say Winky Sucks....It is impossible to say such a thing about a man who is perhaps the best defensive fighter's out there in the last 25 yrs....I have heard people say Wright is boring but never sucks

CC Booze Not to mention fighting Harry Simon in his hometown, Im not sure but I think Winky claims that was a bs loss. Yeah I dont think anyone can question his willingness to fight , its usually people avoiding him because he causes problems for any fighter, and its hard to look good against him.

Well that is a good list but there are better ones and Winky is ok i guess.

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Well that is a good list but there are better ones and Winky is ok i guess.

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I would like to see your list of a fighter with better consecutive opposition from a recent (era) fighters.


Manny has a very solid recent resume I believe.

Also Mayorga has had pretty tought opposition in his recent fights IMO as far as names go.

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Also Mayorga has had pretty tought opposition in his recent fights IMO as far as names go.

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Oscar's last 7 is also pretty good:
Vargas, Campas, Mosley, Sturm, B-Hop, Mayorga, PBF.

Also Hopkins last 6 + Calzaghe is:
ODLH, Eastman, Taylor, Taylor, Tarver, Winky and Calzaghe.

Both decent resumes to me, and arguably up there with Winky's. Obviously Oscar's is better if you include his entire career.

Taylor has an underated record.

hopkins twice, ouma, winky, spinks, pavlik. thats not a bad line up. not great but good. would be better if he hadn't got Koed by pavlik.

Winky record remindes me of DLH record he's fought good fighters in some big fights but he has failed to that little extra to get the Win in certain situations. like his fights with Hopkins taylor and vargas.

now if were just talking records and not wins then of the top of my DLH record is the best. PBF, Mosely twice, Vargas, Mayorga, Tito, Whitiker, Hopkins, quartey

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Taylor has an underated record.

hopkins twice, ouma, winky, spinks, pavlik. thats not a bad line up. not great but good. would be better if he hadn't got Koed by pavlik.

Winky record remindes me of DLH record he's fought good fighters in some big fights but he has failed to that little extra to get the Win in certain situations. like his fights with Hopkins taylor and vargas.

now if were just talking records and not wins then of the top of my DLH record is the best. PBF, Mosely twice, Vargas, Mayorga, Tito, Whitiker, Hopkins, quartey

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Here's some names on Tito's reccord

Campas, Carr, Camacho, Whitaker, DLH, Reid, Vargas, Joppy, Hopkins, Mayorga, Wright, Jones Jr.... Not too bad either.

Booze,I agree with your analysis,he's fought some top fighters but I think he has a dam boring style. And my main criticism of him is not his resume but these poins:

1.)after every loss,his fans cry robbery as does he.Name me one robbery of his.All his losses have been close fights.

2.)his ranting and raving about not wanting to fight guys like AA,Kess,turning down a career high payday v JT in a rematch and then continuing ranting and raving.

3.) He thinks he's some sort of draw.

I have no doubt he is a tough fighter, skilled but I don't find his style enjoyable and he's nowhere near the draw he think he is.

I think Winky is a very very good fighter indeed .... one who has learnt the trade through and through and will have forgotten more than many fighters ever learn.

I sort of rate him (stylistically and reputationally) with some of the great 'blue-collar' type guys we have always had through the ages, people like:

Buddy McGirt, Virgil Hill, Michael Watson etc

Considering he should be 54(25)-2(0) IMO its quite amazing how good he has been considering his competition. I remember Atlas thinking that MOsley would be just too good for Winky, how wrong he was. Winky has a great jab, even better defense, and a really good straight left hand. He can fight anywhere in the ring, he backs up the bigger guys, he has a cast-iron chin, and back in the day he had a lot of speed.

As for you el Game

how was Taylor-Winky a close fight? Can you tell me the punch stat numbers again? How was Winky-Vargas a close fight, he way outlanded Vargas in almost every round not to mention made Vargas look like a fool offensively. Against Harry Simon he wasn't robbed, but he clearly won the fight, sure it was the closest fight by far, but he didn't deserve to lose that fight.

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Considering he should be 54(25)-2(0) IMO its quite amazing how good he has been considering his competition. I remember Atlas thinking that MOsley would be just too good for Winky, how wrong he was. Winky has a great jab, even better defense, and a really good straight left hand. He can fight anywhere in the ring, he backs up the bigger guys, he has a cast-iron chin, and back in the day he had a lot of speed.

As for you el Game

how was Taylor-Winky a close fight? Can you tell me the punch stat numbers again? How was Winky-Vargas a close fight, he way outlanded Vargas in almost every round not to mention made Vargas look like a fool offensively. Against Harry Simon he wasn't robbed, but he clearly won the fight, sure it was the closest fight by far, but he didn't deserve to lose that fight.

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Considering he should be 54(25)-2(0) IMO its quite amazing how good he has been considering his competition. I remember Atlas thinking that MOsley would be just too good for Winky, how wrong he was. Winky has a great jab, even better defense, and a really good straight left hand. He can fight anywhere in the ring, he backs up the bigger guys, he has a cast-iron chin, and back in the day he had a lot of speed.

As for you el Game

how was Taylor-Winky a close fight? Can you tell me the punch stat numbers again? How was Winky-Vargas a close fight, he way outlanded Vargas in almost every round not to mention made Vargas look like a fool offensively. Against Harry Simon he wasn't robbed, but he clearly won the fight, sure it was the closest fight by far, but he didn't deserve to lose that fight.

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I'd like you to tell me the punch stat numbers for the fight as I have not seen them.Go on. As for how was it a close fight,it's rather simple,the fight wasn't dominated by either fighter. Winky was landing more punches but Taylor was by far landing the harder punches,and when Winky had him on the ropes and JT fought back,JT would move WInky back with his fists,and stunned Winky at times. It was not a robbery in any sense of the word.

Vargas landed plenty of clean punches on Winky and again,it was a close fight.Simon fight could have gone either way. My point still stands,Winky has had close fights and yeah,he's been unlucky with the decisions at times but they are not the robberies they are made out to be.

Please post the punch stats as I'd like to see them,but honestly,if that's all your basing the WInky got robbed theory on,punch stats,then that's a weak argument imo becase sometimes the stats may tell you everything,and sometimes they tell you nothing,and in a fight where 1 guy clearly was the bigger stronger guy and landing the harder punches,the other landing more,they don't tell you much.

For Wright-Taylor Wright landed 226 out of 643(35%) Taylor landed 163 out of 703(23%) and the only way a person would think Taylor was landing a lot of shots of the ropes or in any part of the ring if they were listening to Jim, who is IMO blind. Wright was backing up Taylor, blocking almost everything, and then he was landing almost everything he wanted to including combinations while Taylor's back was against the ropes. There is no way that fight was close. In Vargas fight, its funny how even the HBO commentators(Who were trying to hype Vargas(17,0(17)) at the time still had Wright winning. Vargas was hardly landing anything, and I think people just weren't used to Wright's style yet, but that fight was the most one sided IMO and the easiest to see that Wright was robbed.

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For Wright-Taylor Wright landed 226 out of 643(35%) Taylor landed 163 out of 703(23%) and the only way a person would think Taylor was landing a lot of shots of the ropes or in any part of the ring if they were listening to Jim, who is IMO blind. Wright was backing up Taylor, blocking almost everything, and then he was landing almost everything he wanted to including combinations while Taylor's back was against the ropes. There is no way that fight was close. In Vargas fight, its funny how even the HBO commentators(Who were trying to hype Vargas(17,0(17)) at the time still had Wright winning. Vargas was hardly landing anything, and I think people just weren't used to Wright's style yet, but that fight was the most one sided IMO and the easiest to see that Wright was robbed.

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That;s where we differ I'm afraid. I saw Winky backing JT up for sure but I also saw JT involuntarily backing himself up. I saw Winky initiate the action,but I saw JT fighting back from the ropes. I saw WInky block punches and still get puched back,such was the force of JT's punches on him.

I have no care in the world for what Lampley or HBO says or has winning. If a fights' contraversial,I re-watch it with the sound down or a different broadcast to get a different perspective. My memory is rusty on the Vargas Winky fight but I'm going to go rewatch that later and post again. There's no way a Wright v JT fight was a robbery imo. I thought it was close.

And I'd like to add,Espn.con Dan Rafael had it a close fight,I think he had it a draw,Boxing Times had it a draw http://www.boxingtimes.com/analyses/...or_wright.html and so did lots of other places. It was close fight.

Sorry Taeth but like i said to you in the other thread i totally disagree with your views on both fights. First off Compubox are not accurate, i mean Holmes vs Spinks 2 was a clear cut win for Holmes and it is considered one of the biggest robberies of all time, yet Compubox had Spinks landing more punches than Holmes which escapes me. Taylor vs Wright was very close fight most experts and boxing fans had it very razor thin close fight, and they all can't be wrong can they ?? Taylor IMO landed the harder shots and his shots got through Wright's guard more times than what a lot of people believe. And as for Vargas vs Wright no way was that a robbery, Vargas threw over 90+ punches in the last few rounds he really digged deep and showed he wanted just as much as Wright who slightly faded down the stretch. I had it a draw i think Vargas earned a draw because he clearly won last 3 rounds if i remember right, and he totally out punched Wright in those rounds. Most of the fight was fought in close quarters and they were pretty even all the way, no one ever had a really major advantage in the fight, and Vargas had good success going to Wright's body, i think the word *Robbery* gets thrown about way too much in razor thin close fights.

Taeth i thought all the hard core fans knew winky was gonna be a tough fight for mosely. i'm shocked that atlas thought it wouldn't.

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And I'd like to add,Espn.con Dan Rafael had it a close fight,I think he had it a draw,Boxing Times had it a draw http://www.boxingtimes.com/analyses/...or_wright.html and so did lots of other places. It was close fight.

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It was a close fight. I hate when people call fights that were extremely close "robberies."