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ok, go ahead and say it. lol
peter by brutal ko.
call me retarded, but peter looked beatable against mcline.
and maskaev is no joke.
i think oleg has a very good chance to win this fight.
peter fights dirty as hell too, so ill be watching for those illegal rabbit punches~!!!
peter has a big fuckin mouth. id like to see ol oleg take him out with one of those heavy right hands. Go maskaev!!!!
Not even Maskaev thinks he can win this. In every situation possible, he has avoided Samuel Peter. Peter is younger, fitter and extremely heavy handed. As much as the McCline fight exposed some issues, Maskaev should not be a world champion.
So yeah, Peter by brutal KO and I'll be surprised if we go past 4 rounds.
i predict that peter walks away with the title
I think peter gets him out of there inside of six rounds. Like someone else mentioned mcline did expose Perter to some degree but I don't maskaev has the tools to beat peter.
Sound kind of Bitter in that post.....Are you Oleg:confused:...Maybe you should be training instaed of posting?Quote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFan
Don't think anyone ever doubted that Peter was beatable...In fact Wlad already established that.....For a man his size though he has managed to get his stamina up there to a decent level since the Wlad fight...He does improve each time out...Some flaws there but still improving .....Oleg is getting up there and has been inactive...also everyone of Maskaev's losses have been by KO
Peter by KO in the 10th.
Maskaev has a hard head and won't want to go. The 'issues' seen against McCline aren't as significant as they are being made out to be- they have more to do with what was in McCline's bloodstream during training camp (it's easy to cycle if you know when you'll be tested). Peter hits harder than Rahman hit Maskaev and he has the ability to fight a full 12. Maskaev has been woefully inactive. His last fight was in December of '06, before that he took the belt from Rahman in August and before that he fought Sinan Samil Sam in '05, a guy old man Oliver McCall decisioned last year. Combine that with his constant injuries and quite frankly, I'm amazed anyone sees this Cinderella story coming true again.
I'm not sure this fight is even gonna still happen, i won't belive it till the bell actually rings. Maskaev has had some reason or another not to fight peter for what seems like 20 years now. Then his camp is already crying about not getting a fair shake etc....seems like maskaev is not looking forward to this at all. I think he's hoping for peter to perform like he did against mc cline but i don't think that will happen. I think peter will KO him in the early rounds.
You know I've got to be the odd man out, but I am going with Maskaev by late stoppage.Somewhere in the 11th or 12th. Why? It seems to me Peter is a four round knockouter if that makes sense.Yes he is always dangerous but not after four.I think Maskaev once he get's into gear he is much more effective after a few rounds.So it's a test of Maskaev lasting early on and Peter in the late rounds.I am gonna side with old timer and say Maskaev get's him out of there.
Yes im going for Maskaev , if he can KO Rahman , he can KO Peter , Jamel Mccline hurt Peter and hes a none puncher.
Maskaev KO inside 9
Sam Peter pts
A year or two ago I would have said K.O but Oleg has matured at this level and looks comfortable but Peter has had a shakey win over Mcline which made me question his chin . Though I think if he boxes how he boxes Toney the 2nd time he can win on points 116-114
I second all that. I've never rated Peter highly, even in the context of the current weak division. If he doesn't blast people out early, his work takes on a slightly desperate hue. Also Maskaev is a wily old fighter whereas Peter strikes me as mentally friable. You can imagine Oleg winding him up and exploiting the resulting lapse.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
The big doubt about Maskaev is whether or not he is truly fit. Have they just mended is back enough for him to climb into the ring and pick up the cheque?
Still, Maskaev for me. Although no money on it.
If that were true, then how come Toney didn't frazzle Peter? Arguably the slickest HW in the division, his accurate punching gave Peter a mouse, but in the second fight Peter was light on his feet and showed actual defense. He was the opposite of desperate in that fight and the only reason he was desperate against McCline was because of the knockdowns (I've said several times where I think those came from). Prior to those Peter was boxing well, looked very comfortable and knew he was winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barlick
I predict Samuel by 4th round KO. Many people will question his chin from his fight with McCline, but he showed the ability to rise also, which for me is more than enough.
I think this will be one of the better, more exciting fights at heavy in a while. I see both guys on the canvas, but I'll go out on my own and say Oleg wins by decision:-\ All my predictions suck, so one more bad one won't hurt:D
I agree on the winner but maybe not in the fourth. Maybe not until a decision. Doesn't matter. Like you said,Peter has the heart and determination to overcome the simple brutishness of Maskaev. Peter is a better fighter than Rahman when he sets his mind to it and I see him getting the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
1-3 Oleg weathers a big storm by Peter
3-5 Oleg gets the best of Peter with his straighter punches
6-8 Oleg tires and Sam Peter starts landing harder and harder until the fight is stopped in the 8th
I'm not sure. And I hardly care at all. The HW division is SO weak, I don't care what anyone says. Peter might clobber Maskaev early, he might get lulled into a fight where Maskaev lands on him and makes it a war. Hell if McCline floored him 3 times in 2 rnds, practically anything is possible when he's in against a puncher. The HW's literally all suck compared to ANY other era of heavies. There's so little seperating any of these guys.. Klitschko is the only fighter in the division who stands above others, but it's only in terms of talent and athleticism. He has horrible mentality for a fighter. As far as I'm concerned McCline proved that. Klitschko hit's hard enough to KTFO Sam Peter or anyone else in the division, he just has such a fragile mindset and he is so goddamn afraid to get hit it's ridiculous. I have friends with more fighting heart than Klitschko. I honestly believe this 100%. One thing that rang true to me in James Toney's dillusional interview with boxingtalk this week, was his comments on Klitshco-Ibrag... How the hell can this man call himself the HW champ when he's scared to death to get hit? Obviously many fighters are safety first, but Clitco takes it to a new level. It really just comes down to the fact that boxing doesn't have a mainstream audience. If a huge man has athletic ability, why the hell would he want to box these days? Hell 3rd string Linebackers have a better sence of job security than any HW fighting today. I don't mean to sound like a Klitschko hater, because I'm really not... I just can't believe he's the best HW around today..
im picking Maskaev. Watching Peter's last fight against McCline I think he's there to be beaten and Maskaev has a deadly right hand.
The bar right now is set for Sam Peter, he HAS to KO Maskaev to be impressive....if he only wins a decision it will cause doubt in people's minds and God help him if he gets hurt or knocked down by Oleg.
This is part of the problem in the heavyweight division the platform is set for certain fighters to shine and they end up failing or just disappointing
I feel Oleg will prove a lot of people wrong that night, I think Peter is still arrogrant and has a suspect chin. Wladimir ruined him along with MCcline, I just think Oleg wants it more and Peter will walk into a huge right hand of Oleg and take a walk on queer street and take a nap.
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Originally Posted by liquid
I can some that up in three words Toney CAN"T PUNCH !!!. Everyone keeps saying how slick Toney was. That's why Peter Knocked him down with a pair of jabs.FUCK James Toney the most overrated heavyweight of all time not but a punchdrunk,old,fat,incompitent thug,wannabe.Sorry Ia m just sick of James Toney being fed to me when he was the most overated fighter (when he came to the heavy's)
James Toney wasn't that overrated at heavy. Peter Was. OLeg wins this. I will have a sig bet if anyone wants it.
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Originally Posted by p4pking
Well who is better mate?
its cool a good amount of you are going with oleg on this one.
i didnt think there would be many.
i cant stand sam peter, the cheating bastard.
he hits hard but if oleg lands that straight right hand, peter WILL go down. im really looking forward to this fight.
anything is better that that chump klitchko last fight.
dudes that fuckin big but fights like a big vagina~!!!!
does anyone know if the other fights are being aired? mcline vs ruiz, and isnt jose louis castillo fighting? or am i wrong?
I can't see Peter losing to anyone but Klitschko at this point unless Ibrigamov or Chagaev cleverly outbox him, but Peter has good handspeed, he moves pretty well considering how obese he is, and he is a good athlete with decent skills for a puncher. IF Peter was 225 pounds he would be insane, but he isn't so he will win this probably within the distance and then because he isn't in good enough shape Klitschko will beat him again.
I dont' see how you can say that with the division when Holmes reigned supreme, when Marciano was on top, or most of the time... Joe Louis division was full of a great fighters, but most of them were comming up from middleweight or light hw. Of course Ali's era was considered the best and it was really strong then the 90's were maybe even stronger, but thats two really strong era's in the existence of the heavyweight division. Hell, right before the 20th century Langford(who started at featherweight) was able to capture the heavyweight title. Is this era weak? Sure it is, but the heavyweight division has often been weak, the only difference its dominated by Russians now. I say this division besides the Ali and 90's division, and maybe Louis' era would stand a fair chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Prior to the McCline dust up, I stated that I was one convincing victory away from becoming a Peter supporter.
The guy is as exciting as Heavyweights come these days and although his power seems somewhat nullified at the highest level of competition he still can hit and should he connect anything can happen.
However, against Maskaev I see no obstacle to large for him to overcome on route to victory. Despite his fumblings in the McCline fight, Peter's chin does seem to be relatively sound, his jab and footwork have improved and he is a fighter with hunger.
The largest point I wish to exude is that Peter got a fright in his last fight. This should translate into a will to prove his new doubters wrong and excel in his next fight. Assuming this in turn translates into a diligent and intensive training camp I do favour Peter to win in this fight, perhaps on a Unanimous decision over 12.
Chagaev is a tough guy, I wouldn't be surprised if he gave Sam Peter an ass whipping if they fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Sam Peter, I have told everyone he's NOT IKE IBEABUCHI, he's more like David Izon and that means he has power but it sometimes doesn't show up and his chin will crack at some point in his career and he'll never recover. His hands will get slower and slower.
Sam Peter is a dirty fighter either by plan or just by the way he throws his punches which are very wide and looping.
If Sam Peter uses strategy and his strength effectively then he's going to stop Maskaev. If he just decides to rush Oleg and go straight in with no strategy this is going to be Maskaev-Rahman III
It is true that Sam's looping shots do sometimes foul.
Actually, the more he throws the more frequently they're deemed fouls.:-\
Peter wins and most probbably by KO
Anyone keep reading articles about Maskaev no-showing everything. He didn't turn up at the press conference for the fight, he apparently no-showed a surprise birthday party the other day and he hasn't said a word coming up to this fight. He's ducked out of this fight with Peter on numerous occasions and I'm beginning to wonder if this will actually happen.
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
Cuz he knows he's gonna get KTFO!
maskaev missing? whatever.
maskaev just isnt a trash talking camera loving piece of shit like peter is, and believe me he'll be there, and will hopefully shut that nigerian booty scratching rabbit punching bigmouth up.
mark my words: if peter hurts maskaev, itll be by illegal rabbit punch.
i still say maskaev by right hand.
ive been wrong before though. lol
Oleg by ko. I think Oleg will be prepared for this fight,he will work Peter on the inside and that's where Peter can't throw his wild ko punch and that's where Oleg will feed him a few uppercuts for a nighty night snack. ;)
I'm going for Oleg, just cos I want him to win. Don't lke Peter, seems to have a fan base that believes he's the next best thing when in fact he's no more deserving of a title than Maskaev. He'll get exposed badly one day, I hope Maskaev has enough left to be the huy to do it.
I just can't see Maskaev winning this. Peter is too young and strong. I don't think Peter is the next great thing, although he has the ability too, he doesn't have the skill and has been up and down in his improvement. Second Toney fight he showed massive improvement, then he looked very average against McCline. I just think Maskaev is past it though and not enough in the tank for Peter.
As far as deserving the title, Maskaev beat Rahman who drew with Toney, Peter beat Toney twice, once convincingly. So the resume goes to Peter.
am I wrong, or does it seem odd that no one seems to be talking much of this fight? I for one am looking forward to seeing it!
anything would be better than that klitschko travesty~!
that soooo hurt his reputation. the idiot!
at least some big bombs will be thrown this saturday night.
fuck it, I'll gladly go with the underdog.
THESE ARE TWO GLORIFIED CLUBFIGHTERS.
maskaev has the tools to win but how much ring-rust will he be trying to shake off...?
im actually going for Peter by decision.i think Olegs boxing can frustrate the wild swinging, slow african but i think Peter wins the decision.......whether he deserves it or not!!!!
First Im going to say something that most of you will disagree. Maskaev punches just as hard as Peter. People paint Sam out to be a monster puncher, but in reality he is not. He has 1 knockout in his last 6 fights...and it was Julius Long. Im tired of hearing hes a ko artist. I do think he will win this fight by ko but thats more a matter of Olegs chin and age than Peters power. Nothing would surprise me in this fight though.
I think the fact Peter has only kayoed 1 out of his last 6 has given him a lot more experience and shown him he can't rely solely on power to win a fight. He tried hard to put Toney down in their first fight, but he showed some boxing ability in the second and seemed more concerned with stacking up points and taking it down the stretch. Same with McCline. He was hitting him with some good shots, but boxing, especially after the 3 knockdowns. I'll say it again- don't put too much credit into McCline's knockdowns; a guy doesn't just turn into a machine like that overnight, there was something extra going on. Peter will test Maskaev's chin early and if he doesn't go away he will make the much OLDER, RUSTIER and INJURY PRONE Maskaev stretch a full 12 rounds and either decision him or KO him late. This won't even be as controversial as the first Toney fight (which Peter really lost).Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom