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Haye vs Wlad Klitschko
Read an article, via Saddo, that David Haye called Wladimir a bum and said he would go up a weight class after his 'sure' win over Enzo. He said he will smash Wlad and take the title.
I never heard of this Haye until yesterday.
I watched his clips on youtube and he is a pretty good fighter.
However I am a huge Klitschko fan and believe Wlad would beat him if it came to a fight.
First impressions, I don't like this Haye guy attitude and hope he gets dropped on his ass!
If these two meet, what are you opinions and tips on the outcome?
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I'm with you on this one mate, big Wlad fan and I'm a fan because of his performances. People will go on about Sam Peter's 3 knockdowns (all of them behind the head) and the Sanders knockout, but these incidents prove absolutely nothing about Klitschko's ability and pedigree as a champion. Might as well berate Lewis for his defeat at the hands of Rahman. He has devastating power, excellent precision and a fantastic ability to fight at range.
Furthermore, people commenting on the Ibragimov fight, Sultan is a dangerous fighter with fast hands that Wlad fought from a range and used the best tools for the job to deal with him. Theres nothing wrong with fighting defensive fights, just ask Mayweather Jr. If you want people knocking living shit out of each other, take the Duddy fight that was on the undercard. Its hardly a display of boxing technique and ring craft that real fans appreciate though.
Anyway as for Haye, he must be delusional if he thinks he stands a chance against the intelligent and powerful fighter that displays itself in Wladimir Klitschko.
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Wlad is too complete a package for Haye to beat 95% of the time, however Haye is pretty quick, and he hits like mofo so if he lands that right cross cleanly I would believe Wlad would go down, however, landing that punch could easily not happen in 12 rounds, and Wladimir would definitely have the power to take Haye out with his left hook or right hand, hell maybe even his jab could put Haye on the canvas.
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In all sports there have always been cases where heavy favorites have lost despite the fact that it seemed they had an advantage in all facets of the game. So there is a chance Haye can win, but I think this is a situation where Wlad has every advantage. I just hope Haye doesnt think he can bum rush Wlad and get a quick KO, cause they aint gonna work.....
I will be honest I dont like Haye cause of his big mouth and I hope he gets KO'd. I cant stand big talkers like Haye, Witter, and Tarver who started talkin a ton of crap and were disrespectful before they proved anything.......
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Haye will going to get massacred. I hope Wlad gets the same respect as former great fighters who were saftey first, had defence and always wasnt great to watch, such as jack johnson and gene tunney, tommy loughran, maxie rosenbloom. Wladimir has never avoided no one and is the true art of boxing hit and not be hit. After he shuts haye up i think he will get his due respect as a truly great fighter.
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Dr. Steelhammer
Haye will going to get massacred. I hope Wlad gets the same respect as former great fighters who were saftey first, had defence and always wasnt great to watch, such as jack johnson and gene tunney, tommy loughran, maxie rosenbloom. Wladimir has never avoided no one and is the true art of boxing hit and not be hit. After he shuts haye up i think he will get his due respect as a truly great fighter.
No one can deny that
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Klitschko by ko no doubt whatsoever
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Slowmotion426
Wlad by KO in 1st.
Easy Tiger... haye still has to beat Enzo Mac first...
I wonder if that rumoured Hatton-Pacquio fight will ever get signed.
Or when people will stop randomly bumping up old threads on subjects that have been discussed to death. :rolleyes:
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I think it was very smart for Wlad to take this fight now and stupid for Haye. If Wlad destroys Haye, (which is how I see it) Haye will look foolish. I also don't think Haye expected Wlad to take him on this soon, instead believing Wlad would fight his mandatory's thus allowing time to become more comfortable as a HW while continuing to talk more trash, hyping the fight. Oh well, too late; it's on!
Wlad 1.0 considered himself invincible, charging forward with reckless abandon, which got him in trouble against Brewster 1, but Wlad 2.0 typically plays it safe against big men; using his stiff jab and excellent conditioning to wear a fighter down. However, he fights with confidence and viciousness against lighter and/or less experienced fighters which is how I see Haye in the HW division, and I believe that he will jump on him early and try to punish him. We'll see.
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I've stated in several threads that Wlad is too experienced for David Haye. Sure Haye has a shot to beat Wladimir but Sam Peter did as well.
I think the gravity of the situation will get to David Haye, he talks a bunch and I think he's trying to calm himself down a bit because when the "biggest fights" of your career are Enzo Maccarinelli and Monte Barrett then fighting THE Heavyweight Champion is a gigantic step up.
I don't blame the David Haye fans for supporting him, I just think they are lost in the myth of their favorite fighter and they don't take a rational look at who he has fought and what has happened to him in previous fights.
Look at Wladimir right before the Corrie Sanders fight, he was trying to secure a fight vs Lennox Lewis and not even looking back in hindsight NOBODY but the Wlad fans gave him a shot because of??????? EXPERIENCE and hell back then Wladimir still had a record of 40-1! David Haye may be quick and he may be flashy and have power but Wladimir is a dominant fighter and he's not going to be flustered by Haye especially if David gets nervous.
A nervous fighter is doesn't move his head, is too deliberate in throwing punches, throws wider, you can see the punches coming, and they tire out from using up their energy by nervous movement that does nothing to their opponent.
I don't remember the last time Wlad has been this serious about a fight, I think he is telling everyone it's going 12 to set Haye up for an EARLY KO. I wonder who Lennox is picking?
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Also David Haye was KNOCKED DOWN vs Monte Barrett that is a FACT....this "He slipped" bullcrap just doesn't add up. If you SLIP you do it without being punched, Monte caught Haye coming in wild as hell as he in prone to do and popped him and David fell down. There is no SLIP about it.
Sorry, I just get pissed off about that
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Can't wait to see Wlad in action again.
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Lyle
Also David Haye was KNOCKED DOWN vs Monte Barrett that is a FACT....this "He slipped" bullcrap just doesn't add up. If you SLIP you do it without being punched, Monte caught Haye coming in wild as hell as he in prone to do and popped him and David fell down. There is no SLIP about it.
Sorry, I just get pissed off about that
Yes Lyle... I agree.
It's a well known fact that
a) it is impossible for a punch to push an off balance fighter over, ANY contact that results in a fighter falling MUST be the result of the contact shocking the central nervous system and causing the muscles to fully relax - eg: a Knock Down
b) when a fighter is slipping a force field appears around them making them impossible to hit - ergo if a punch does hit a falling fighter than they CANNOT possibly be slipping because it proves that there is no force field around them at this time, which would clearly indicate slipping.
You're right... it just doesn't add up I say!!
(above post may contain sarcasm)
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Originally Posted by
Lyle
Also David Haye was KNOCKED DOWN vs Monte Barrett that is a FACT....this "He slipped" bullcrap just doesn't add up. If you SLIP you do it without being punched, Monte caught Haye coming in wild as hell as he in prone to do and popped him and David fell down. There is no SLIP about it.
Sorry, I just get pissed off about that
:vd: You know what if it makes you feel that Wlad will now have a better shot at Haye cuz Barrett put him down or Haye really cant take a heavyweight punch, then go and believe it. Only a fool would think Barrett legitimately knocked him down. But as the fool you are you believe it. Don't matter though. Your only kidding yourself. And June 20th I'm gonna be right here to confirm it.
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I am a Haye fan but I guess that makes me a fool. I genuinely thought Haye was KD'd. Not necessarily hurt but still KD'd.
Do not see Anybody winning this in 1 unless Haye rushes in like a maniac and gets clipped.
Good points raised by Lyle about quality of opposition but do not believe Haye will get nervous.
Pick em fight for me. I am on the fence for the mo and will decide closer to the time but Wlad has to be favourite at the mo.
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AdamGB, when someone SLIPS it might be because they are on a decal on the Ring surface which doesn't have good traction, it might be because water is on the ring OR it might be because they wandered into an ice skating rink. Did Haye lose his footing? Did he simply lose his balance? Or did a tiny little punch send Haye down because he was off balance? And if that's the case then you MUST rule it a knockdown. I'm not saying he was close to knocking Haye out, I just find it very odd that everyone that is a Haye fan is up in arms over a KNOCKDOWN being called a KNOCKDOWN...it seems that Haye's fans are more than aware of his weak chin and have become overly defensive about it. Just go ahead and admit you're worried about the fight...admit that you fear for David Haye's safety and if David doesn't land the first haymaker he throws then he should just fall down and get counted out.
leftylee, it's not about Monte hurting Haye it's about an unskilled fighter knocking down a guy who is supposed to be worthy of a title shot and not get caught off balance as he did, it shows poor footwork, poor judgment, and shows that David Haye's biggest problem is himself, he thinks too highly of himself although I doubt that will be the case come fight night. If Monte Barrett can take advantage of David Haye being off balance and put him down (and he did EXACTLY that) then what the fuck is a faaaaaar superior boxer like Wladimir Klitschko going to do with Haye??? Wlad may knock Haye down with a jab...I wouldn't be surprised at all if it happened.
This is going to be a fight where David Haye gets welcomed to Big Time Boxing....and my prediction is that Big Time Boxing is going to make David Haye it's bitch
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Lyle
AdamGB, when someone SLIPS it might be because they are on a decal on the Ring surface which doesn't have good traction, it might be because water is on the ring OR it might be because they wandered into an ice skating rink. Did Haye lose his footing? Did he simply lose his balance? Or did a tiny little punch send Haye down because he was off balance? And if that's the case then you MUST rule it a knockdown. I'm not saying he was close to knocking Haye out, I just find it very odd that everyone that is a Haye fan is up in arms over a KNOCKDOWN being called a KNOCKDOWN...it seems that Haye's fans are more than aware of his weak chin and have become overly defensive about it. Just go ahead and admit you're worried about the fight...admit that you fear for David Haye's safety and if David doesn't land the first haymaker he throws then he should just fall down and get counted out.
My point is that it proved NOTHING about David Haye's ability to take a punch... whatever it should have or shouldn't have been ruled as is irelevant. Nothing that happened was from the concussive effect of the punch, so why even mention it?
Are you trying to rile Haye Fans up for the sake of it or do you feel the need to put Haye down to make you feel better about your crush? Food for thought I guess.
Haye was off balance... so what? I'm sure I don't need to tell you that boxing is a rough sport and shit like that can and does happen... Just watch the ammount of times Wlad was knocked off balance by Sam Peter (I'm sure that there's some excuse/reason for Wlad letting those fuck ups happen though).
It doesn't prove a thing... stop clutching at straws.
"Just go ahead and admit you're worried about the fight...admit that you fear for David Haye's safety and if David doesn't land the first haymaker he throws then he should just fall down and get counted out"
lol... calm down, please don't make me laugh... you're clearly a Wlad groupie but don't make the assumption that because I called you on posting some irellevant shit that that makes me a Haye groupie... you're going to have to have a pissing contest elsewhere.
I'm worried about the fight? I'm in fear? hahaha... for fucks sake Lyle a) it's a sport and b) I have no personal relation to either guy.
As I have stated several times I think that Haye has less than a 40% chance of winning, I am doubtful he can deal with the size and strength but I think that his speed, movement and power versus Haye's stiffness and chin give him a fighting chance.
I am doubtful over his chin at heavy, but Barret didn't prove a thing... until he gets hit/knocked down LEGITIMATLY we still don't know whether the move up to heavyweight has improved his punch resistance/stamina or done nothing except move him into deeper water.
We won't know till the fight, which I will enjoy watching as a boxing fan... not a Haye/Wlad groupie such as yourself.
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Slowmotion426
Can't wait to see Wlad in action again.
:vd: Are you finding it hard to sleep pr something?
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AdamGB
My point is that it proved NOTHING about David Haye's ability to take a punch.
That's basically what I was saying EXCEPT top level fighters don't let themselves get off balance like that so they get knocked down by guys like Monte Barrett. THAT is why it means something and that is why people should worry....if a guy with journeyman skill can take advantage of Haye's poor footwork then a guy like Wlad who has a lot more skill will be able to really mess Haye up.
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Haye was knocked down by Barrett, Haye came in, Monte threw a left hand and it dropped Haye to the seat of his pants. He was dazed, he didnt even jump right up, he stayed on one knee for 20 seconds.:LOLATYOU:
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Lyle
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AdamGB
My point is that it proved NOTHING about David Haye's ability to take a punch.
That's basically what I was saying EXCEPT top level fighters don't let themselves get off balance like that so they get knocked down by guys like Monte Barrett. THAT is why it means something and that is why people should worry....if a guy with journeyman skill can take advantage of Haye's poor footwork then a guy like Wlad who has a lot more skill will be able to really mess Haye up.
I don't see neither how Haye could win beside the known fact that at heavyweight anything can happen because of a single punch.
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Lyle
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AdamGB
My point is that it proved NOTHING about David Haye's ability to take a punch.
That's basically what I was saying EXCEPT top level fighters don't let themselves get off balance like that so they get knocked down by guys like Monte Barrett. THAT is why it means something and that is why people should worry....if a guy with journeyman skill can take advantage of Haye's poor footwork then a guy like Wlad who has a lot more skill will be able to really mess Haye up.
lol, I think you're over rating barrett slightly here Lyle... I doubt it was the result of a cunningly hatched plan that was the outcome of studying tapes of David Haye and observing his footwork. I could be wrong of course... :-X
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Hunter
Haye was knocked down by Barrett, Haye came in, Monte threw a left hand and it dropped Haye to the seat of his pants. He was dazed, he didnt even jump right up, he stayed on one knee for 20 seconds.:LOLATYOU:
Why would he jump straight back up?... Barrett sucker punched Haye whilst he was on the canvas, it was an illegal shot and he's allowed time to recover from it so that Barrett loses any advantage he might have gained from fowling Haye.
Do you know anything?
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Even in a Ring magazine issue they mentioned it."The knockdown was ruled a slip". After kissing Haye's ass something fearce,comparing his hand and foot speed to a prime Ali. I just about threw the magazine out the window until I read a little bit more and found out they had mentioned that he was legitimatally knocked down and ref ruled a slip. I too did see the knockdown. A simple balance shot. Something he must control against Wlad but probably won't and be knocked out.
R.I.P. David Haye nice knowing ya.
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AdamGB
lol, I think you're over rating barrett slightly here Lyle... I doubt it was the result of a cunningly hatched plan that was the outcome of studying tapes of David Haye and observing his footwork. I could be wrong of course... :-X
Adam, I think we can both agree that Wladimir Klitschko is no Monte Barrett and no Tomas Bonin and he is BY FAR the best fighter David Haye will have EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER........EVER set foot in the ring with. All I'm saying is that Monte Barrett isn't THAT skilled and yet he was still able to knock down the "Mighty" David Haye
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Lyle
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AdamGB
lol, I think you're over rating barrett slightly here Lyle... I doubt it was the result of a cunningly hatched plan that was the outcome of studying tapes of David Haye and observing his footwork. I could be wrong of course... :-X
Adam, I think we can both agree that Wladimir Klitschko is no Monte Barrett and no Tomas Bonin and he is BY FAR the best fighter David Haye will have EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER........EVER set foot in the ring with. All I'm saying is that Monte Barrett isn't THAT skilled and yet he was still able to knock down the "Mighty" David Haye
Wlad is definitely the best fighter Haye will have ever fought, why would I deny that? My point is that it proves nothing more about David Haye than the short armed, slow plodder Sam Peter repeatedly knocking Wlad down does about Wlad.
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I may add a qualifier to that remark saying that "Wlad got hit behind the head" but it doesn't make the 3 knockdowns go away...Wlad got knocked down 3 times, I am able to admit that because #1 It actually happened #2 Wlad's skill is such that he made those knockdowns not count for much and so I am comfortable in the knowledge that if in future bouts Wladimir is knocked down (even multiple times) he can still win a fight.
Why won't you just accept that Haye got knocked down, being defensive about it just shows that you are insecure as a fan. If I wanted to question David Haye's chin there are several other examples I could use....Odlainer Solis in the Olympics perhaps? Jean Marc Mormeck hurt David....and of course Carl Thompson rocked Haye several times. My point in bringing up the Barrett knock down is that it shows a recklessness and a carelessness that a very strong technical fighter like Wladimir will take advantage of such glaring flaws. It's not what Barrett did, it's what Haye allowed to happen and don't doubt that it's going to have an effect on the fight....let's face facts, Monte doesn't punch big and he put Haye down, and if you're just able to knock Haye down with a little punch while he's off balance then it doesn't matter what his chin is like
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Slowmotion426
Can't wait to see Wlad in action again.
:vd: Are you finding it hard to sleep pr something?
:lol:
Wlad is a bit of a thumping bore really. I cannot recall an interesting show that he has put on in recent times.
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Lyle
I've stated in several threads that Wlad is too experienced for David Haye.
Yeah I think I remember you mentioning it once or twice. ;D
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Lyle
I may add a qualifier to that remark saying that "Wlad got hit behind the head" but it doesn't make the 3 knockdowns go away...Wlad got knocked down 3 times, I am able to admit that because #1 It actually happened #2 Wlad's skill is such that he made those knockdowns not count for much and so I am comfortable in the knowledge that if in future bouts Wladimir is knocked down (even multiple times) he can still win a fight.
Lyle, I am not denying that it should have been ruled as a knock down... I must have said that 3 times now. it could have been ruled as anything... I am disputing what it means... not what the technicality of what to call it.
What I am pointing out is that you have one rule for Wlad and another for Haye:
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Lyle
I may add a qualifier to that remark saying that "Haye got hit whilst off balance" but it doesn't make the knockdown go away (what the ref ruled it as is irrelevant)...Haye got knocked down, I am able to admit that because #1 It actually happened #2 Haye's skill is such that he made those knockdowns not count for much and so I am comfortable in the knowledge that if in future bouts Haye is knocked down (even multiple times) he can still win a fight.
Wlad getting clubbed down 3 times by a fighter with the class of Sam Peter because he let him get too close means exactly as much as David Haye essentially slipping off balance because he stood to side on against a fighter like Monte Barrett.
ie: Not much. You know this but decide to make it irrelevant for only one fighter, why?
I don't take issue with the fact that you think Wlad will win - that is a very likely outcome... what I do take issue with is the massive bias that you have, rather than give a balanced opinion based purely on boxing knowledge you instead apply a completely different rule to two similar situations just because they suit your agenda.
You're usually a good poster Lyle, stop being such a fanboy.
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Lyle
Why won't you just accept that Haye got knocked down, being defensive about it just shows that you are insecure as a fan
Jesus... I am not defensive over whether haye touched the canvas... we all saw it. I am merely stating that it means nothing. EXACTLY as you are with Wlad and Bum Peter.
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I could use....Odlainer Solis in the Olympics perhaps? Jean Marc Mormeck hurt David....and of course Carl Thompson rocked Haye several times.
Who is saying that Haye's chin is made out of granite Lyle... we know he doesn't have a great chin... are you repeating the same reduntant facts for a reason or do you have nothing better to do. Wlad and Haye both have fairly bad 'chins'. Can't really see the discussion here but nevermind.
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Lyle
My point in bringing up the Barrett knock down is that it shows a recklessness and a carelessness that a very strong technical fighter like Wladimir will take advantage of such glaring flaws. It's not what Barrett did, it's what Haye allowed to happen and don't doubt that it's going to have an effect on the fight
But why is Wlad able to learn from the mistakes the he made in allowing Sam Peter to get to close to him but Haye is not allowed to learn not to come to the inside off balance?
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Lyle
....let's face facts, Monte doesn't punch big and he put Haye down, and if you're just able to knock Haye down with a little punch
I thought that you agreed it was the loss of balance that made haye fall and not the concusive effect of the essentially non-punch? Bruce Lee did his one inch punch trick by making people stand off balance... how much power do you think is in a one inch punch? when you're off balance you're off balance. Power isn't a factor.
Wlad isn't going to win the fight by knocking haye off balance... if the ref scores it as a knock down it would make the fight a 10-8 round but I think the one thing we can agree on is that it's not going to points here.
There are flaws in Haye's game for sure and Wlad will be able to exploit things, I don't think balance or footwork is one of them though... shit happens. (as you have basically said about Wlad/Peter... but of course Wlad gets special treatment from you :-X)
I was unhappy with a few things Haye did against Barrett and losing his balance wasn't one of them. Totally irrelevant, watch his footwork any other time. Talk boxing and stop harping on about the same redundant shite.
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AdamGB
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Lyle
I may add a qualifier to that remark saying that "Wlad got hit behind the head" but it doesn't make the 3 knockdowns go away...Wlad got knocked down 3 times, I am able to admit that because #1 It actually happened #2 Wlad's skill is such that he made those knockdowns not count for much and so I am comfortable in the knowledge that if in future bouts Wladimir is knocked down (even multiple times) he can still win a fight.
Lyle, I am not denying that it should have been
ruled as a knock down... I must have said that 3 times now. it could have been ruled as anything... I am disputing what it means... not what the technicality of what to call it.
What I am pointing out is that you have one rule for Wlad and another for Haye:
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Lyle
I may add a qualifier to that remark saying that "Haye got hit whilst off balance" but it doesn't make the knockdown go away (what the ref ruled it as is irrelevant)...Haye got knocked down, I am able to admit that because #1 It actually happened #2 Haye's skill is such that he made those knockdowns not count for much and so I am comfortable in the knowledge that if in future bouts Haye is knocked down (even multiple times) he can still win a fight.
Wlad getting clubbed down 3 times by a fighter with the class of Sam Peter because he let him get too close means exactly as much as David Haye essentially slipping off balance because he stood to side on against a fighter like Monte Barrett.
ie: Not much. You know this but decide to make it irrelevant for only
one fighter, why?
I don't take issue with the fact that you think Wlad will win - that is a very likely outcome... what I do take issue with is the massive bias that you have, rather than give a balanced opinion based purely on boxing knowledge you instead apply a completely different rule to two similar situations just because they suit your agenda.
You're usually a good poster Lyle, stop being such a fanboy.
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YEAAAAHH BRUTHAAAAA
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Adam, you may not have questioned whether or not Haye touched the canvas BUT you definently questioned whether or not it was a knockdown and that is the crux of my argument it WAS a knockdown yes because Haye was off balance but moreso because he got hit, had Barrett missed that punch would Haye have been on the canvas? DOUBTFUL!
Wladimir has been able to learn from his mistakes because #1 he's a smart fighter it has been proven, he has learned from his mistakes because he has been put into similar situations and the outcomes have been different since his losses #2 he's got a Hall of Fame trainer and #3 Wladimir has a ton of experience boxing. Wladimir has had more fights than David Haye has ROUNDS when you compare their professional careers. Has David Haye learned anything from his wins over Maccarinelli or Barrett or Bonin??? Has he learned anything from his loss to Carl Thompson??? We simply don't know because he hasn't been tested that many times.
David Haye is impressive LOOKING, I can't say one way or the other if he's "the goods" or not simply because he has 23 total fights, 22 wins, 21 KO's, 1 loss by KO/TKO and very few of those fights were on the very highest level of boxing at cruiserweight and 0 of those 23 fights took place at a high level in the heavyweight division. Can David Haye win vs Wladimir? Sure he can, I don't doubt it for a second but take the time and look at David Haye as a total fighter and see the gap in experience....
Q: Can Haye box and win on points at a high level?
A: We don't know, we've never seen it, he's never been pushed to do that, and he has rarely had an opponent that could take him the distance.
Q: Can Wladimir Klitschko box and win on points at a high level?
A: Yes, Wladimir has only had to do that 6 times but vs: Prime Sam Peter, Prime Sultan Ibragimov, Prime Chris Byrd, Everett Martin in 1998, and Wlad has 2 Technical Decisions vs DaVarryl Williamson and Mark Young.
Q: Can David Haye KO a big skilled heavyweight?
A: We don't know, we've never seen him do that, he has never fought a big skilled heavyweight who hadn't already been KO'd by a questionable puncher.
Q: Can Wladimir Klitschko KO a big skilled heavyweight?
A: Yes there are a couple of guys Wlad KO'd who are big, skilled, and hadn't been KO'd before. Tony Thompson and Jameel McCline are two that come to mind and at the time they were very skilled.
Q: Can David Haye take a punch at heavyweight?
A: We don't know, he's never had to, and he hasn't been in with a heavyweight with decent punching power.
Q: Can Wladimir Klitschko take a punch at heavyweight?
A: If it's from a smaller heavyweight with less power perhaps, he has been hurt by: Sam Peter, Corrie Sanders, and Lamon Brewster all well respected power punchers. However, he has never been KO'd by just 1 punch, a fighter MUST follow up on Wladimir to stop him (of course his 3 losses show that very thing)
Q: Can David Haye handle adversity in the ring?
A: I sure as hell don't know, I've never seen him cut, I've rarely seen him fouled and he hasn't really shown much other than he CAN get up off the canvas and win a fight as he did vs: Mormeck and Barrett.
Q: Can Wladimir Klitschko handle adversity in the ring?
A: Yes, he has been cut before and has dealt with it with no issues and he has been knocked down before and not been bothered as much as he had been earlier in his career.
There's a lot about Haye that no one can answer until the actual fight. Wladimir has experience, size, strength, experience, and power over David Haye...that's not me bragging those are just the facts bro
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Re: Haye vs Wlad Klitschko
Of course it's a lot less likely he would of been knocked off balance if nothing had knocked him whilst he was off balance!?... :-\ :o
my point is that it doesn't mean anything, I keep going over this...
It was a balance issue... technically it was a knockdown but not effectively. Your original post seemed to generalised it as if it was the same as the knockdowns Hatton recently suffered etc and that is what I took issue with.
You don't need to go off on a tangent about relevant experience/attributed of Wlad mate, I am talking about nothing more than this 'knockdown'. I've stated several times that I have Haye as an underdog in this fight for reasons similar to your own but with enough attributes (speed, mobility etc) to at least have a good fighting chance.
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Re: Haye vs Wlad Klitschko
I am saying a lack of skill (balance/footwork) not the lack of a physical attribute (chin/ability to take a punch[which he has shown a lack of before]) led to Barrett hitting Haye and David Haye landing on his ass and I am saying that this lack of skill is not good when you are fighting a fighter with Wladimir's talent.
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Haye training to combat Wlad's weapons
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Re: Haye vs Wlad Klitschko
I am not really impressed with what they showed with Haye's training. I mean sure Wlad has a long jab and it's good and all but it's him hooking off the jab that should worry Haye and his trainer.
What's the story with Adam Booth anyway? Is Haye his first big time fighter or has he worked with other fighters who have had good success??
