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I mean it all ended so quickly but if you watch the 2nd round closely, Enzo narrowly misses, on two occasions, the second part of a vicious looking left-hook double-up. If the head shots had of landed, Haye might of found himself on the floor.
Haye was sensational last night though and i'm proud for my fellow Londoner.
I have high hopes for him at Heavyweight.
YouTube - David Haye v Enzo Maccarinelli
Kevin Mitchell suprised me too. That was some second wind!!
Jim you could say that about every single fight that has ever happened, *IF* the punch wouldn't of missed. But thats beauty of boxing you hit and don't get hit ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimafee
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Originally Posted by ICB
Absolutely.
I feel for Enzo though. 2nd round KO!?
Ouch.
Not really surprising IMO i didn't think it would go more than 4 rounds, i thought Enzo's only chance was to get Haye into later rounds because of Haye's suspect stamina. I know it won't happen but i would love to see Haye take on O'Neil Bell before he moves up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimafee
i thought it would be a short fight whichever way it went. yes enzo unloaded a couple of big shots in the second but you cant say he was unlucky. haye landed the clean shots and took him out simple as that.
I just watch it on youtubve. No, Haye wasn't lucky at all. Ducking and slipping hooks isn't luck. Enzo got completely owned. Haye should be able to make some noise with the big boys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimafee
If Haye was to stay at cruiser I'd like him to get Cunningham over to the UK and unify the 4 belts and then face Wlad Klitchsko which Wlad IMO could not handle Haye's power as remmeber Haye is a NATURAL heavyweight and he said so last night in the post fight presser and so he would be hitting harder at heavy.
Sorry Jim my friend,poor wording bro. Enzo was TOTALLY outclassed,if this fight was unlucky then so was virtually every other ko in boxing!I have total respect for Haye,I've criticised him alot before but he seems like the real deal. Still want to se if he has the stamina to go with the tremendous power!
Rozzy... I'm not saying Haye was lucky to avoid the shots, im just saying Maccarineli was unlucky not to land them. He had the right idea.
I'm saying this mainly because one of the 1st things Enzo said was '' i know what i did wrong''. Not much time for doing things wrong IMO.
Enzo can know what he did wrong after the fact and it's doesn't mean a thing. When my coach slaps me with a pad in the head for throwing a lazy jab, I know exactly what I did wrong after he slaps me. I wasn't unlucky for getting slapped. Enzo wasn't unlucky not to land them. Haye was more skillful to make him miss. He might have had the right idea, but having the right idea and being able to execute are two different things. Enzo was lucky the ref made a good stoppage before he got really hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimafee
Look, I can sse what everyone is saying about Haye out classing Macaroni, or whatever his name is. But if you think about it, he was a bit unlucky. Rewind back to the fight between Marquez and Vazquez last week. Marquez falls back against the ropes in the 12th, the referee steps in, and calls it a knockdown. Fast forward to last night. Macaroni falls into the ropes, the referee doesn't step in and Haye pounds him. What is the correct call on things like that?
What Enzo should have done - the game plan to defeat Haye - was to be extremely careful and keep those guards up all the way in the early rounds, and _then_ go after Haye in the mid to late rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimafee
Almost hitting Haye doesnt get any him any probs, and letting Haye hit him was clearly 'doing things wrong'.
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Originally Posted by Mikkel_K
Dude,I need to rep you for constant excellent points. I have to spread some around but I totally agree with you here (and in 99% of other threads)Good posting my man.
Haye was sharper, faster, smarter, he was everything in that fight, he used good defense moreso than ENzo barely missing... I mean he landed a few hard rights on Enzo. What I don't get is why didn't the ref call it a knock down when ENzo first get hit into the corner it looked like he was already on his way down, but the ropes kept him up... I think that allowed David to hit him with 5 or 6 more solid shots that really ended the fight.
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Originally Posted by ICB
In all fairness to Enzo the ref should have been in there sooner..the first time Enzo fell onto the ropes and gave him a count...Enzo was really hurt by that last punch more then anything...the flurry in the corner Haye missed eveyone of those shots...SHO had a replay from the corner and Haye did not land one flush shot there...it was that last one when Enzo was up that did it...ref should have been in the corner and gave the count when he was supposed to....Enzo actually ate some bigger shots earlier in the round and stood firm...it is the shot you dont see that gets you...if the ref was there when he should have been that shot would not have happened....at least not at that moment
Haye did not impress me last night.....neither did Enzo but point is that was not a great performance...Haye did a better job in the Mormeck fight....Haye was staggered by a fricking jab in the first round...and he is supposed to go up and bang with Peter, Klitschko and the lot of Big HWTS....I don't see it....
Enzo got some good body shots in so it looks like he was planing for the long haul... he just struggled with the power.
you can see Joe standing ringside when the ref called it off and he looked abit gutted.
i have always had favs that lose as a fan but it gets you thinking just how hard it must be for freinds and family to see it.
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Originally Posted by Saddo
Agreed...not an easy thing to deal with
Great post fight video here....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgLHXYf_6J0
Good to see :cool:
Pure class - both of em ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
CC Saddo great vid :cool:
Poor old Enzo. I waited till they were in the ring to see who was the most relaxed and focused before deciding who to pick for the win. Haye walks in the personification of coolness. Enzo sprints into the ring when he gets close to it and starts bouncing about nervously. He's got a haircut that must have been done by Stevie Wonder and he looks anything but calm but I just couldn't back against him, bless him. He was totally outclassed, suffered a comical knockout and really didn't help his career any, did he? Never mind, plenty of belts to fight for when Haye gives them up. He can have an easy fight next then fight for a belt again.
Enzo himself said he fought a poor fight so he could not have been unlucky. I believe he is embarrassed about the performance.
I think that was fairly predictable beforehand.. not the shitty haircut bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
People were not realising this was the BIGGEST fight Enzo will EVER be involved in.. Haye was always treating the fight as a stopover steering job.
It was the biggest-ever fight for both of them but Haye handled it far better. It might have been the other way round but wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
The haircut was dreadful though.
He'd also be getting hit harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Yes Jim - it don't matter how hard they hit if they aint hitting nothing to quote the Greatest.
I remember Tyrell Biggs throwing a perfect right hook at Tyson (text book perfect in the replays !) that if it had connected would have maybe sent him down for a count. Unfortunately Tyson was two seconds out of the way by the time it arrived - you can't say its unlucky mate if he missed a punch ! Skill lands them .
As it happens I was always a bit skeptical of Haye but now I think that maybe us Brits have something to be excited about in heavyweight terms though I guess its cos how weak that division is at moment. Is Klitschko too big though ? Does he need to take out Audley first ;) How good is he we will see.
But yes am defo now a fan and will be fully behind him and on the edge when he is in the ring as I did /do with Benn , Lewis and Hatton.
Happy days ;)
Bit pissed off to bed ...farewell...
Really gutted for Macca, but I feel his reaction, although displaying utter disgust at his own performance, illustrated that of a man itching to get back on track.
I think it was Haye been more of balance than stagered he wasnt hurt. Enzo didnt seem to know what to do when he got hurt when he got hurt he should of gone down, then when he did go down from the second shot he got up straight away to find he had no legs.Not saying if he stopped down till the 8th count he would of been ok but it would of given him more of a chance to recover.
I accept and realise that Enzo didn't know what to do when he got hurt. But there are very few who would know what to do if they were clipped by a punch Macca was.
these vidoes been removed ? Can't access them any more ??
its his destinyQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimafee
good stoppage, Enzo looked tentative from the off. The one thing Haye will have at heavyweight is speed.
Pimp Suit handled his business... It was an impressive TKO. Haye just looked faster.
As far as Enzo "narrowly missing"... That's the difference between a KO and getting KO'd...
You can really say that about any fight.
Enzo didn't land and Hay did... and then he battered the champ against the ropes. I do agree with Daxx on the fact the ref should have been in there sooner. Had the ref gave him a count and he didn't get cracked with the unnessesary punch at the end of the barrage he may have been able to continue to fight...
But again... The "ifs" could fly all day...
The only thing I do know is Haye looked great and I can't wait to see him again!;D
Maybe i should re-title the thread 'I feel bad for Enzo, he wern't so bad' :p
Without overrating Haye, i think he'll score a few more stunning KO wins at Heavyweight. I dunno what happens against the Klitschko's/ Peter/ Chagaev & Valuev, but below that group i'm sure David will shine.
Enzo got KNFO, He talked the talk and never walked the walk whearas Haye did. He went in with the wrong strategy to beat Haye and it's his own fault for dropping his hands.
I think he had the right game plan before the fight but soon as he got in the ring that went out of the window, and he paid a heavy price for not sticking to a game plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
You could see who was going to win on the ring entrance alone. Haye was cool, calm and relaxed dancing to "Ain't no stoping us now" while Enzo practically ran out like a bull as if to say "Let's get this over and done with" and you could tell Enzo was nervous.
Even in the dressing room when Adam Booth was taping Haye's hands he was dancing and had his iPod on :D
first time I've seen it, definitely impressive, wasn't even slightly competitive. Nice counter rights over the jab. Hopefully Haye's got enough defense and chin for heavy to go along with the speed and power cause he's definitely better to watch than the rest of the glacially slow.
The one thing is, Thats how I act when I'm most nervous:DQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Come on Jim, I mean if that's the case then the same can be said about thousands of fights that went the same way....
Fact is Haye was the better man..... :cool: