Who's scared of Monsters?

I guess everybody who's ever boxed has been told that if you don't keep your hands up you'll get knocked out someday. With novices, this might still be freshly ringing in their ears. However if you do enter the ring with a man who has exceptional punching power, how much can the hands truely help?

Movement is obviously one key, a man cannot hurt you if he cannot connect, but some might say that it's only a matter of time before you get caught or that it is harder to fight when simply trying to stay away.

In my limited expierience sticking close even clinching and holding is a good idea if you can fight on the inside, but a problems arises against a good inside banger.

So what do you guys think???
I'd especially like some retorts from trainers as this is a subject everybody may need at some point.

depends, your strengths vs his weaknesses. Don't you hate those answers but it is true.:p

ok for example see Mayweather vs Corrales. Ok everyone saw Corrales as the puncher BUT Mayweather was faster, had better defence, was able to potshot and get outta dodge.
Hit, move, angles, don't allow him time to get set and pummel you. Stick that jab in his face like you mean it.

If they want to work at range, you work inside, clinch, shoulder nudge, offset their timing. Working on the inside and tying your guy up seems a lost art and I'm not talking at Hatton style wrestling tactics.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

I guess everybody who's ever boxed has been told that if you don't keep your hands up you'll get knocked out someday. With novices, this might still be freshly ringing in their ears. However if you do enter the ring with a man who has exceptional punching power, how much can the hands truely help?

Movement is obviously one key, a man cannot hurt you if he cannot connect, but some might say that it's only a matter of time before you get caught or that it is harder to fight when simply trying to stay away.

In my limited expierience sticking close even clinching and holding is a good idea if you can fight on the inside, but a problems arises against a good inside banger.

So what do you guys think???
I'd especially like some retorts from trainers as this is a subject everybody may need at some point.

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I've sparred with a few big punchers and i can tell you even when you block there punches you can feel the force of it, even when i have done the shoulder roll they hit me so hard on the arms and shoulders that i wish they would just hit me on the face rather than the arms ;D

I tend to use movement against punchers and i keep the jab stuck out there to keep them off balance and to make them think twice about throwing there big bombs, one thing i am good at it is timing punchers coming in i take a little step back when they throw there big punches then counter with good shots, and when they do get close i always tie them up on the inside so they cannot work on the inside plus it frustrates them, which is a good thing because then they get more wild and sloppy with there punches leaving you more countering opportunities. The punchers i have sparred with i tend to notice they are mostly 1 dimensional and just rely on there power, i can normally figure out punchers in quick time, but maybe i've just been lucky.

You either have to have good defense, or hit harder than they do so that they'll go down first.

I was actually referring to guys who have legitimate knockout power and can finish a fight on any punch.

I sparred one such fellow lately. I can hit myself so it was pretty interesting. Being an inter club spar it was fairly heated, but the tactic I employed was to stick to his chest and get my body work off, If he shyed away I'd go to the chin before getting back in and grabbing and holding if he started to flurrry.

I've always prided myself on my chin, but the realistaion that when he hit me I was seeing white lights was quite scary. As I said I can hit myself and I pegged him a few and came out looking better, but it was quite disconcerting to have my vision obscured as a result of a clean punch.

Very honest of you Donny, better than the usual 'I kicked his ass' posts.

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Originally Posted by Missy

Very honest of you Donny, better than the usual 'I kicked his ass' posts.

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In truth I post 90% of the I kicked his ass" threads.

What really interests me is that at 71 although not weight drained or neglecting myself, I find that punches do have a much more notable imapct on me than they did at 75.
I usually manage becuse I've been boxing a fair length of time now, but I often wonder what to do if I meet an intelligent boxer who can bang also.

men from the boys my dear Donny:cool: you still planning on taking some time out and training abroad?

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Originally Posted by Missy

men from the boys my dear Donny:cool: you still planning on taking some time out and training abroad?

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Yeah it's definitely on the cards. Although it does seem that it will be next year rather than this year.

One of my best mates and sparring partner is headed to Ohio for six weeks, then Undisputed in San Diego for six weeks, then Gleasons for three weeks this summer.

I'm green with envy to be honest!

But as I mentioned I'll just bide my time til I get to Mexico and the way I see it, it doesn't matter where you train it's about how you approach the training and the diligence with which you acrry it out.*


*Not necessarily what I believe but it keeps me sane.

Donny,if you hit the Eastern Seaboard,Im sure me and Abadon can torture the hell out of you
Depending on your itinerary Im sure I can get you some time in Fraziers as well

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Donny,if you hit the Eastern Seaboard,Im sure me and Abadon can torture the hell out of you
Depending on your itinerary Im sure I can get you some time in Fraziers as well

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Sometimes I think I can do it, but in reality I won't be able. Not in the direct future anyway.
With my lil lady on the way I'm obliged to be at home for a while, but IO reckon in another year or so we might all go out for a bit.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Sometimes I think I can do it, but in reality I won't be able. Not in the direct future anyway.
With my lil lady on the way I'm obliged to be at home for a while, but IO reckon in another year or so we might all go out for a bit.

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Just let us know
It takes time to put an itinerary together that makes your life a living hell
Id say I was joking,but Ive got at least 3 fighters who would say Im not.But hey look at it this way,youve been complaining of abandoned boxer syndrome anyway.A couple weeks here,youd wish Id leave you the hell alone;D

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Just let us know
It takes time to put an itinerary together that makes your life a living hell
Id say I was joking,but Ive got at least 3 fighters who would say Im not.But hey look at it this way,youve been complaining of abandoned boxer syndrome anyway.A couple weeks here,youd wish Id leave you the hell alone;D

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I can honestly say you'd be challenged.
What would you do when you run me til I vomit, you make me spar til I collapse and hit a bag til it feels like the bag is hurting me, but I just smile, cos it's what I love?;D

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

I can honestly say you'd be challenged.
What would you do when you run me til I vomit, you make me spar til I collapse and hit a bag til it feels like the bag is hurting me, but I just smile, cos it's what I love?;D

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Then we'd do mitts,youd cool down with the rope,and after your intervals and road work you have to do the speed bag
Somewhere in there is centering,8 point blocking and the pell,and if your feeling that frisky I can allways toss on arrow weaving techniques
I may be a good trainer,I never said a thing about being a nice one

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Then we'd do mitts,youd cool down with the rope,and after your intervals and road work you have to do the speed bag
Somewhere in there is centering,8 point blocking and the pell,and if your feeling that frisky I can allways toss on arrow weaving techniques
I may be a good trainer,I never said a thing about being a nice one

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Well you've caught me there.

I don't do the sppedbag:-X:pointsnew:

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Well you've caught me there.

I don't do the sppedbag:-X:pointsnew:

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And then theres breaking down tape...............
Its like Chucky Cheezes around here,except with more sweat and less wack-a-mole;D

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

And then theres breaking down tape...............
Its like Chucky Cheezes around here,except with more sweat and less wack-a-mole;D

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Tape is such a great tool.

Going into the national final we knew that my left hook would be key....In the time between the semi and Final we formulated four combinations which would win me the title and we kept going over them.
I don't think I missed one left hook from the outside all fight!

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Tape is such a great tool.

Going into the national final we knew that my left hook would be key....In the time between the semi and Final we formulated four combinations which would win me the title and we kept going over them.
I don't think I missed one left hook from the outside all fight!

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I collect fights for just this reason,even crap fights.I want my fighters to see from outside as it were,whats working,and why its working.
When your in there,you dont have time to have an existential discussion with yourself about what you should throw,youve got to go,and go now.
This is the same reason I have them write down combinations,and then they have to explain to me the purpose of every shot in the combination,you have to know what your trying to achieve with every punch,otherwise,your just pissing away energy,or biding your time

hey monkey how about some tips from those drills you mentioned? arrow weaving, 8 point blocking or better a vid that goes with it?

Ok,real quick,8 point is a total blocking system developed by Bruce Lee,and Ed Parker,its just a matter of adapting it,and the counter strikes to boxing.
The arrow drill is a substitute for the slip line
On a slip line or a double end bag,you can time things,but if Im controling it via the arrow Im wapping you with,you have to slip on the fly,rather then just a rythmic motion.
Basically I stand in front of a fighter,and tap which part I want them to slip with,shoulders,head,etc
Be able to do it when it isnt expected

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

But as I mentioned I'll just bide my time til I get to Mexico and the way I see it, it doesn't matter where you train it's about how you approach the training and the diligence with which you carry it out.*


*Not necessarily what I believe but it keeps me sane.

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I Like it! :)

As for bangers. I feel most people I spar are bangers (although perhaps only relative to me) and I still don't have a solid theory on this one. I think blocks and movement are my best bet so far. Especially if you can put them off balance so they are less able to use their weight.

Weight is what they put behind every hard punch so aiming to keep them from putting that into their punch by using angles and pressure well for example would have to help surely?

I don't think my knowledge of boxing on the inside is good enough to comment on that at all.

I too would be interested in more comments on this!

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Originally Posted by Sharla

I Like it! :)

As for bangers. I feel most people I spar are bangers (although perhaps only relative to me) and I still don't have a solid theory on this one. I think blocks and movement are my best bet so far. Especially if you can put them off balance so they are less able to use their weight.

Weight is what they put behind every hard punch so aiming to keep them from putting that into their punch by using angles and pressure well for example would have to help surely?

I don't think my knowledge of boxing on the inside is good enough to comment on that at all.

I too would be interested in more comments on this!

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Well Sharla, you touched on my basic theory on heavy handed guys there too.

I feel if you can force yourself in, perhaps using the shoulder or neck and place their weight primarily on their back foot, while allowing yourself room for punching is the key.

If you take away their balance and equilibrium you take away all their power apart from what they generate in their arms alone.

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Ok,real quick,8 point is a total blocking system developed by Bruce Lee,and Ed Parker,its just a matter of adapting it,and the counter strikes to boxing.
The arrow drill is a substitute for the slip line
On a slip line or a double end bag,you can time things,but if Im controling it via the arrow Im wapping you with,you have to slip on the fly,rather then just a rythmic motion.
Basically I stand in front of a fighter,and tap which part I want them to slip with,shoulders,head,etc
Be able to do it when it isnt expected

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nice, I'd folks some rep but I've got to spread it round first (sounds like a disease:rolleyes:) do you do the visual reaction one as well? eg hold a mitt for a jab, when you move a finger (or a pad if working combos or whatever cue you want to use) your partner hits the pad. Fun to do moving, checks your balance, footwork etc

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Originally Posted by Missy

nice, I'd folks some rep but I've got to spread it round first (sounds like a disease:rolleyes:) do you do the visual reaction one as well? eg hold a mitt for a jab, when you move a finger (or a pad if working combos or whatever cue you want to use) your partner hits the pad. Fun to do moving, checks your balance, footwork etc

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To a degree,Ive ditched the number system.
So I circle and hold the pads for the punch I want.
Nobody is going to be shouting out #1 or #3 in the ring,give me the combos I want,at the angle I want,when I hold the mitts out in position for them