Hype of Danny William, Hype of Audley harrison and now Hype of David Haye?

I don't like disrespecting anyone but I don't like people being brainwashed by the media, there no doubt that David Haye is probably the best at cruiserweight at the moment but also you have to remember that David Haye is originally a Heavyweight

Just because David Haye weight about 14 stone and 4 pound (on the weigh scale at cruiserweight limit) that doesn't mean David Haye has the power of a cruiserweight
By the time Haye step in the ring, 1 day after the weighting, haye has (atleast) put 10 pound on
Since david haye originally weight 16-17 stones, Haye is alway carrying heavyweight power, even when he fighting at cruiserweight limit
When david haye is draining his weight from 16 to 14 stone in just a few of months, no power is as lost as long as David Haye is weight training, but losing weight increase speed and probably more power in most cases.
Only power will be lost if Haye weigh 14 stone for too long but after the fight Haye jump back to 16 stone within weeks.
Both Danny William and David Haye have disrespected the Klitschko brother after they (suspicious) victory. As Danny William had beaten a washed up tyson after tyson ran out of steam. David Haye has just beaten Enzo who got careless after he rocked David Haye within the first 20second of the first round. Danny William must have underestimated Vitali Klitschko as Vitali Klitschko was not impressive against the south- paw corrie sander who could make anyone look bad.
This time David Haye has underestimated Wladimir Klitschko because of his lackluster performance against sounth paw Sultan Ibragimov as Ibragimov would have made any fighter from any era look bad on that night since Ibragimov was just bent at a angle and waiting for a counter punch.
David Haye is no doubt the most talented Heavyweight fighter from Britain but unfortunantely for him once a Heavyweight fighter hit his chin, Haye dream of becoming a Heavyweight world champion will go down the drain.

I can't believe you say Enzo rocked Haye ???

Enzo never connected Haye stumbled and had nothing to do with Enzo he just lost his balance.

Your comparison to Haye and Danny Williams is complete bullshit. Haye has been a world champ were Danny had not before he face Vitali and fought no major fighters (Tyson was shot) and you said it yourself Williams ONLY beat a washed up Tyson and people were bragging about that beacuse of the name he beat "Tyson" but that's all it was a name whears Haye has proved he is a force and has beaten a PRIME Enzo Maccarinelli.

But Haye was a champ at cruiserweight, he won no title at Heavyweight that danny has, If you say Haye just lost his balance wihtout someone connecting then what could happen when a big man connect.

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Originally Posted by TruthandHonesty

But Haye was a champ at cruiserweight, he won no title at Heavyweight that danny has, If you say Haye just lost his balance wihtout someone connecting then what could happen when a big man connect.

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Yes he ain't won a title at heavy but did Ray Austin win a title when he thought Wlad NO, did Matt Skelton win a title when he fought Chagaev NO, but Haye did beat a monster in Tomasz Bonin KO'ing him in over a minute knocking him down 3 times in the process?? Yes. Big wow Williams had a WBU or a British but he beat no-one, titles don't mean everything in boxing, Manny Pacquiao ain't got a title (Or a small title in WBC International if you wanna count that) and yet he's number 2 P4P, it's the opposition that counts and your title theory is just stupid. Beating Tomasz Bonin is worth more than beating Audley Harrison for the British title.

Your balance theory is pathetic also. Haye lost his balance while moving out the way of a shot. That is normal :rolleyes: Kevin Mitchell lost his balance in the Johnasson fight and went on his ass, that's like saying if Kevin Mitchell's next opponent connects with a jab he will be KO'd as he went on his ass without anybody even connecting. You know how stupid that sounds ?? Lots of fighters lose their balance in fights especially with the advertisements on the ring floor and even the commentator talked about Haye's footweear are slipperey.

Haye shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Williams or Harrison

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Originally Posted by Baby-Faced-Assassin

Haye shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Williams or Harrison

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I know, comparing Haye to Danny Williams is one of the worst comparison's I've ever seen.

I didn't understand a word of what he just said...

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Originally Posted by TruthandHonesty

But Haye was a champ at cruiserweight, he won no title at Heavyweight that danny has, If you say Haye just lost his balance wihtout someone connecting then what could happen when a big man connect.

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You could just say that about anybody who trips tho couldn't you.

And the fact that you're using his chin as factor in deciding how shit he will be at heavyweight, you might want to take into consideration that the guy you're defending has actually been down 11 times.

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The thing I don't get is how so many people are ready to hand the heavyweight division over to Haye. He isn't proven at HW. Fighting some guy nobody knows/respects doesn't mean much. If that were the case then Roy Jones Jr would have been at the top of the heap after he beat Ruiz. At least he got a belt out of the deal.

wladimir became world champion at 24 and i doubt haye will ever become one. It a disgrace to mention them in the same breathe and you should keep him in the same breathe as danny william at the most, wladimir has never been on the floor by a cruiserweight, never mind ko

not even the worst fighter have 1 loss especially by a 42 year old with just will 22 pro fight fought. Haye would have had many more losses if he was fighting at heavyweight and porbably have to be retired at just a few ko losses since he not man enough to handle them
wil haye ever win 50 pro fight, he will be washed up before his 30th pro fight

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Originally Posted by TruthandHonesty

wladimir became world champion at 24 and i doubt haye will ever become one. It a disgrace to mention them in the same breathe and you should keep him in the same breathe as danny william at the most, wladimir has never been on the floor by a cruiserweight, never mind ko

not even the worst fighter have 1 loss especially by a 42 year old with just will 22 pro fight fought. Haye would have had many more losses if he was fighting at heavyweight and porbably have to be retired at just a few ko losses since he not man enough to handle them
wil haye ever win 50 pro fight, he will be washed up before his 30th pro fight

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Wladimir has never been floored by a Cruizerweight but lucky for us u told us in your first post that Haye is really a Heavyweight.
Now quite a few Heavys have floored Wlad and a couple have stopped him ;)

but all those heavyweight have fought world champion

sanders has fought Vitali, rahman and ofcourse wladimir

Ross purity fought and got a draw against tommy morrison

Brewster is not worth mentioning since his win was suspicious, but he became world champion just 6 month after stealing a win against wladimir

I am a young heavyweight so if 42 yr old cruiser weight hurt haye, then what would I do.

Yes i have said haye a original heavyweight but I've also said that any heavyweight can ko anyone with 1 punch

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Originally Posted by Phil

Wladimir has never been floored by a Cruizerweight but lucky for us u told us in your first post that Haye is really a Heavyweight.
Now quite a few Heavys have floored Wlad and a couple have stopped him ;)

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but all those heavyweight have fought HW world champion

sanders has fought Vitali, rahman and ofcourse wladimir

Ross purity fought and got a draw against tommy morrison

Brewster is not worth mentioning since his win was suspicious, but he became world champion just 6 month after stealing a win against wladimir

When haye fight for a HW world title which I doubt, because his glass chin will be expose once again, only then you can make this ridiculous point but erm sorry you still can't, because ;
Yes i have said haye a original heavyweight but I've also said that any heavyweight can ko anyone with 1 punch

I am a young heavyweight so if 42 yr old cruiser weight hurt haye, then what would I do.

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Originally Posted by leftylee

I can't believe you say Enzo rocked Haye ???

Enzo never connected Haye stumbled and had nothing to do with Enzo he just lost his balance.

Your comparison to Haye and Danny Williams is complete bullshit. Haye has been a world champ were Danny had not before he face Vitali and fought no major fighters (Tyson was shot) and you said it yourself Williams ONLY beat a washed up Tyson and people were bragging about that beacuse of the name he beat "Tyson" but that's all it was a name whears Haye has proved he is a force and has beaten a PRIME Enzo Maccarinelli.

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Haye was not in serious trouble but Enzo clearly sent him back with that shot...Nothing to do with Balance...

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Originally Posted by leftylee

I know, comparing Haye to Danny Williams is one of the worst comparison's I've ever seen.

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I don't think william is that much better than haye but it surely is one of the worst comparison. prime William went 8 round against Vitali KLitschko
I really doubt haye will Last more that few round against any top HW fighter, and we will see

Are u trying to say Ross Puritty is a worthy opponent to have lost to?
u do know he has a record of 31-20-3
Sanders fought for 2 world title (WBU is a piece of shit)
beating Wlad then losing his very next fight, not exactly a world great now either. U pretty much summed Brewster up there yourself.
As for Haye having a glass chin, yeah I agree with u, but Wlad's
done pretty well for himself with his glass chin, so why can't Haye?

Though I dont agree with this dudes theories, I think its premature to hand the keys to the Heavyweight division to Haye, I been a fan of Haye for about a year now since Smashup was talking him up to me and the Hayemaker hasnt dissapointed me at all. I think the kid has tremendous upside and potential to do great things especially in this weak era wear its just begging for someone to leave their mark of greatness instead we have Captain jab and hold Klitschko :rolleyes:

Haye is 10x more exciting and marketable than Klitschko and I hope he is the real deal

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Originally Posted by leftylee

Yes he ain't won a title at heavy but did Ray Austin win a title when he thought Wlad NO, did Matt Skelton win a title when he fought Chagaev NO, but Haye did beat a monster in Tomasz Bonin KO'ing him in over a minute knocking him down 3 times in the process?? Yes. Big wow Williams had a WBU or a British but he beat no-one, titles don't mean everything in boxing, Manny Pacquiao ain't got a title (Or a small title in WBC International if you wanna count that) and yet he's number 2 P4P, it's the opposition that counts and your title theory is just stupid. Beating Tomasz Bonin is worth more than beating Audley Harrison for the British title.

Your balance theory is pathetic also. Haye lost his balance while moving out the way of a shot. That is normal :rolleyes: Kevin Mitchell lost his balance in the Johnasson fight and went on his ass, that's like saying if Kevin Mitchell's next opponent connects with a jab he will be KO'd as he went on his ass without anybody even connecting. You know how stupid that sounds ?? Lots of fighters lose their balance in fights especially with the advertisements on the ring floor and even the commentator talked about Haye's footweear are slipperey.

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That's got to be the funniest shit i read.

Yeah anyone who gets knocked out by Audley Harrison is no monster !

To anyone whos interested , Herbie Hide is about to fight live on eurosport

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Haye was not in serious trouble but Enzo clearly sent him back with that shot...Nothing to do with Balance...

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That a cool ko but it cooler the way oleg maskaev ko rahman out of the ropes

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

That's got to be the funniest shit i read.

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Go on google and time his name in and he is a monster :rolleyes:.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Haye was not in serious trouble but Enzo clearly sent him back with that shot...Nothing to do with Balance...

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Get me a vid of Enzo landing coz I'm sure that he was off balance and had nothing to do with a punch.,

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Originally Posted by leftylee

Go on google and time his name in and he is a monster :rolleyes:.

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So is Ty Fields. What's your point?

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

So is Ty Fields. What's your point?

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To blow out someone like that knocking them down 3 times inside the first minute and KO'ing him on your first step up to heavyweight is fuckin good.

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Originally Posted by leftylee

Get me a vid of Enzo landing coz I'm sure that he was off balance and had nothing to do with a punch.,

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Agree with you for once, it did look clearly like a stumble to me Daxx. Got caught his feet caught up as he was trying to move. He was in no danger at all and Enzo clearly thought not either otherwise he would have made a move on him.

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Originally Posted by Phil

Are u trying to say Ross Puritty is a worthy opponent to have lost to?
u do know he has a record of 31-20-3
Sanders fought for 2 world title (WBU is a piece of shit)
beating Wlad then losing his very next fight, not exactly a world great now either. U pretty much summed Brewster up there yourself.
As for Haye having a glass chin, yeah I agree with u, but Wlad's
done pretty well for himself with his glass chin, so why can't Haye?

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sanders was beaten by his bro in the next fight, am not saying wladimir had to lose to purity and by the way purity had 13 losess when he fought wladimir not 20 losses, purtiy also broke morrison jaw and obviously knock him down, but he wasn't 42 year old like carl thompson, and neither he had a weak chin like thompson and after 11 round wladimir ran out of steam against durable purity comparing to 5 round of haye being ko by thompson.
I can understand a 22 yrs old wladimir not knocking out durable heavyweight purity but thomson has been stopped by many soft puncher, where was haye power

I will not go in circle so I will not waste any more time on this nonsense

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Originally Posted by Althugz

Agree with you for once, it did look clearly like a stumble to me Daxx. Got caught his feet caught up as he was trying to move. He was in no danger at all and Enzo clearly thought not either otherwise he would have made a move on him.

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EXACTLY!! thank you Althugz, Enzo never touched him.

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Originally Posted by leftylee

To blow out someone like that knocking them down 3 times inside the first minute and KO'ing him on your first step up to heavyweight is fuckin good.

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Fraudly Harrison knocked him out. How good can he be?

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Fraudly Harrison knocked him out. How good can he be?

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Harrison TKO'd him after 9 rounds and it was a premature stoppage after an even bout and he was rated WBC number 12 before the haye bout.

I can't believe people are responding to this moron, no offense folks but this guy keeps coming back under different accounts sucking up to Wlad, by the way Truthandhonesty you should try a little bit better and not speak broken English its a bit of a give away.

my reply is to leftlee, bonin thomson is absolute nobody, he not even ranked in the top 100, but Khali meehan has fought for a world title and just lost on a split decision.
Also william ko khali meehan in less 30 second, Khali meehan is ranked no4 by the WBA world ranking.
Do you know that bonin has been ko by audley harrison 4 years ago

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Originally Posted by ICB

I can't believe people are responding to this moron, no offense folks but this guy keeps coming back under different accounts sucking up to Wlad, by the way Truthandhonesty you should try a little bit better and not speak broken English its a bit of a give away.

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I honestly have no clue what you are talking about! you do realise that there more than 1 person that struggle with english and also a fan of Wladimir, just because Wladimir Klitschko can speak many language very well does not mean that all his fans can

To those of you who care ( not sure anyone does ) but Herbie Hide just won in 2 rounds . He had his guy on the floor in the first . Then got deducted a point . Then finished the fight in the second round . The knockout was quite funny cuz the opponent tried to get up but fell flat on his face .

Bring on Herbie vs Enzo .

David haye does not rank any where as high as khali meehan, in the heavyweight list and never will.
Thomaz bonin is not a monster or then that would make every average person in germany a monster.
Thomaz bonin is 6ft1 and just fat
The average german is slightly over 6ft 1, I hope you get my point

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Originally Posted by TruthandHonesty

I honestly have no clue what you are talking about! you do realise that there more than 1 person that struggle with english and also a fan of Wladimir, just because Wladimir Klitschko can speak many language very well does not mean that all his fans can

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It's all well and good that you are a fan of Wladimir Klitschko but do everyone (especially me) a favor and bring some reason and some rational thought to your posts.

I am a Wladimir Klitschko fan as well but let's be honest he has not yet solidified his legacy in the sport. He is just now starting to make his mark on the history of the sport....I rate Wladimir rate now as a good but not yet great Champion.

He's not in the top 10, not in the top 20, maybe not in the top 25 but he's making strides in his fights and if he unifies and defends his title successfully until he retires then obviously people will have to come to grips with him as a great fighter...he'd have to beat Jesus' ass to get in the top 10 though....top 15-20 might suit him though and that's in great company Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, etc...great fighters...Wlad can be up there with them

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Originally Posted by TruthandHonesty

I honestly have no clue what you are talking about! you do realise that there more than 1 person that struggle with english and also a fan of Wladimir, just because Wladimir Klitschko can speak many language very well does not mean that all his fans can

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Your either incredibly stupid or you actually think in your bizarre mind people can't recognize its you its one of the two. You replied in an old Wladimir thread, where that same guy who started that topic was a fruitcake sucking up to Wlad with broken English like you. Now you expect me to believe that you just found that thread randomly ?? then tried to convince us your not him. Your as about as useful at hiding as a bloke with a pair of sunglasses on a bloke with one ear.

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Originally Posted by leftylee

Get me a vid of Enzo landing coz I'm sure that he was off balance and had nothing to do with a punch.,

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Pretty sure I see a shot landed by Enzo then a stumble by Haye...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=beSvupzdMMY

Your are really confusing me, I have no idea what you are talking about and yes I did find that other topic by chance and am not the only one who replied to it, I was interested in it since my hero Muhammad Ali was mention and right now my favourtie boxer Wladimir.
I really don't care if you believe me or not but I won't be replying back to anybody who accuses me of doing silly things.
Why would I have 2 different account for? I'm have been very nice to you and I haven't accused you for being those other account that are jealous of Wladimir.

Right now Wladimir is not great as Ali, ALi retired at 41, wladimir is 31 also I love Ali more because of the things he done outside the ring, I loved it when he stood against the american goverment especially when they forced him to go war, how many great are there like him on this planet?
How many people like Ali risk everything for the right thing?

So right now Wladimir is not on ALi level

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Pretty sure I see a shot landed by Enzo then a stumble by Haye...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=beSvupzdMMY

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viewed it a gazillion times and I cant see a landed punch..:-\

I dont get why people cant embrace goodness when it is served up on a silver platter...

David Haye is one of the most exciting fighters on the planet BAR NONE!!