Worse decision makers in boxing history
Felix Trinidad is one of my favorite fighters in boxing history but I am fastly losing respect for the guy because of his poor choices, I must list the many he has made since a brilliant start.
After the Vargas victory
1. In pursuit of the great RJJ Trinidad decided to take the next step moving up to 160 after a short year at 154, he had unified the titles and had brutally beat boxings NEXT BIG THINGS, why would fighting RJJ justify a great career you already had at the age of 27, it's no doubt in my mind he could have had just as good of a run at 154 as he did at 147.
2. Joppy and Hopkins had no star power at the time Trinidad decided to move up, there was no reason to take those fights other than use them as a stepping stone for RJJ, there were much bigger fights at 154 (or on the way) than those fights at 160 with De La Hoya 2, Mosley, Quartey, etc. Legacy fights waited for him at 154 why move up
3. After the loss to Hopkins why the retirement, many boxers who go up in weight and lose will just go back down, examples like Hatton, De La Hoya, Wright, etc. He should have just went back to 154 and dominated, instead he fights some French chef and then retires, that made no sense at all.
4. First comeback against Mayorga was brilliant, Tito looked like his old self, but instead of capatilizing off of that performance he took a fight against Wright that was a lose lose situation, and made no sense career wise, it was nothing to gain from it with a victory and it was much to lose with a lopsided loss, puzzling to me, then a second retirement WTF
5. Second comeback was probably the only time Tito was a natural MW and instead of fighting at 160 he fights at 170 against an old RJJ who has showed his chin can be china at times, he loses and for some strange reason get's a title shot against Pavlik at 160 and declines????????
This guy is the worse decision maker in all my time watching boxing, and he is losing me as a fan
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Dick Flaherty. He'll be judging the JMM-MP 2. I heard he dicked up many major fights.
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I do think Felix Trinidad could have been the best 154 pounder in history. After Vargas and De la Hoya he should have taken on Shane Mosley, Vernon Forrest, Ricardo Mayorga, and/or Corey Spinks (which would have been a bad style matchup for him though). Had he held on there then I doubt anyone at 154 would have beaten him, until Winky Wright got a shot.
Shane Mosley is not the best decision maker and neither is RJJ
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I can't criticize Tito for taking a risk and moving up to 160 to try to win the middleweight title. Tito wanted to be an all-time great, and all-time greats take challenges and fight the best. I give him credit for moving up to 160, destroying Joppy, and fighting Hopkins.
However, I do wish Tito had kept fighting instead of retiring. There's no shame in losing to Hopkins, who's an all-time great middleweight and who fought the fight of his life that night. Tito had nothing to be ashamed of, he should have moved back to 154 and kept fighting, he could've become a champ there again quickly.
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Kelly Pavlik
He's helping campaign for Hillary?????? What is he thinking, maybe he's punch drunk already???? ;D
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SweetPea
I can't criticize Tito for taking a risk and moving up to 160 to try to win the middleweight title. Tito wanted to be an all-time great, and all-time greats take challenges and fight the best. I give him credit for moving up to 160, destroying Joppy, and fighting Hopkins.
However, I do wish Tito had kept fighting instead of retiring. There's no shame in losing to Hopkins, who's an all-time great middleweight and who fought the fight of his life that night. Tito had nothing to be ashamed of, he should have moved back to 154 and kept fighting, he could've become a champ there again quickly.
Hi SweetPea you are righ, but i understand to Bookeeper and Lyle too , the point is if Tito loss with Hopkins and Winky why he returned back if he knew that he didnt have anything to get in that Div.of 160 pnd. , so then he came back with Jones Jr. to fight in SMW Div. and make the ridicolus for spot all the glory that he reached, we know that all of these is about Money , but his History ? So is true Tito had nothing to be ashamed , but his fans lose his CREDIBILITY IN HIM....... thats my point of view.......SweetPea
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Watching him against Jones in my eyes his stock went up. For the first time I was impressed.
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Watching him against Jones in my eyes his stock went up. For the first time I was impressed.
Trinidad?!
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Roy fighting Tarver a second time....all Tarver wanted to do was to fight Roy until he beat him and Roy gave him the opportunity! Roy could have KO'd Tarver in the first fight and Tarver would have still called for a rematch.
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Yes, Trinadad
I'm just surprised that was the first time he impressed you.
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hitmandonny
I'm just surprised that was the first time he impressed you.
Great point
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I agree with much of the things said here. I'm a huge fan of Tito but he has made some bad choices in his life. Number one in that list that no one has mentioned yet is not getting a new trainer that would actually teach him something. By the time Tito became champion (at age 20) he had already surpassed his dad by a mile and would learn nothing more from him. I understand ot was his dad but Tito should've moved on long ago.
I can't fault him for moving to 160 though. You gotta remember that at the time the only big name in that area was De La Hoya and he had just lossed to a then not so popular Mosley. Quartay was semi inactive and had recently been beaten by Vargas. All the other fighters mentioned here were not even in Trinidad's stratosphere at the time.
But pretty much everything else he did after the loss was pretty damn stupid.
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The Rookie Fan
I agree with much of the things said here. I'm a huge fan of Tito but he has made some bad choices in his life. Number one in that list that no one has mentioned yet is not getting a new trainer that would actually teach him something. By the time Tito became champion (at age 20) he had already surpassed his dad by a mile and would learn nothing more from him. I understand ot was his dad but Tito should've moved on long ago.
I can't fault him for moving to 160 though. You gotta remember that at the time the only big name in that area was De La Hoya and he had just lossed to a then not so popular Mosley. Quartay was semi inactive and had recently been beaten by Vargas. All the other fighters mentioned here were not even in Trinidad's stratosphere at the time.
But pretty much everything else he did after the loss was pretty damn stupid.
After Mosley fought Adrian Stone there was strong talks for them to fight each other, but Trinidad opted to fight at 160 so I can't agree with you there. Trinidad was P4P1 on many list with Mosley coming in at #2 or 3, RJJ started to lose ground at a slow pace, how many times in history have we seen a P4P #1 and 2 face off, not too many, Trinidad was fine at 154. If it was about money there was no fight bigger than De La Hoya 2, and as far as Quartey his decision making is almost as bad as Tito's with retiring after every loss, but it was only a matter of time until the two fought, it was alway's Quartey's goal too fight Tito. Like I said 154 was fine
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After Mosley fought Adrian Stone there was strong talks for them to fight each other, but Trinidad opted to fight at 160 so I can't agree with you there. Trinidad was P4P1 on many list with Mosley coming in at #2 or 3, RJJ started to lose ground at a slow pace, how many times in history have we seen a P4P #1 and 2 face off, not too many, Trinidad was fine at 154. If it was about money there was no fight bigger than De La Hoya 2, and as far as Quartey his decision making is almost as bad as Tito's with retiring after every loss, but it was only a matter of time until the two fought, it was alway's Quartey's goal too fight Tito. Like I said 154 was fine
Hey, I'm not saying I agree with Trinidad, I'm just saying I can't fault him for the decision. Mosley was just not that well known and never was much of a draw. I would not be surprissed if Trinidad just did'nt think much of him at the time. When DLH lossed, there was only one man on Trinidad's sights, and that was Roy Jone Jr. After his loss to Hopkins though, he should've come back down to reality and taken over the 154lb division. I feel at 154 he would've beaten them all, cept maybe Wright.
