ROY JONES prime) VS SUGAR RAY LEONARD prime) VS SUGAR RAY ROBINSON prime

guys i think jones at middle had the total package. he to me seemed to have the best boxing skill, reflexes,speed, awesome power. and the thing about jones was he could hit you at will. you see the other boxers that are around and the ones from the past non could hit you at will like jones could. i know some of you are saying jones got knocked out by traver and johnson. jones aged over night agaisnt those fighters,after he moved up to heavy, he would have made them look silly in his prime. another thing you will notice about jones is that he was not as strong. it was like he lost all his strenght coming back down.

you will also find when watching jones fights is that the guys that say they are going to bully him and try and and turn it in to a war. find out fist hand that jones had awesome power. when they felt some of jones power thay decide lets just try and box.

i just wanted to know your guys views on the out come of these fights

roy jones vs leonard both prime 160lbs. jones by points or late stoppage

roy jones vs robinson both prime 160lbs jones by points

Leonard by KO in the 14th round on all of them, Leonard could brawl when needed.

AT MIDDLEWEIGHT ROY TOTALLY DESTROYS THEM BOTH

sorry, but leonard at 160 couldn't handle Roy/Robinson was great, but Ro's speed at 160 was phenomonal

I loved Ray Leonard, but he is a 70's guy.
RJjr proves they make em better in the 90's.
Roy would slaughter my buddy. Prime.

Hard to say. Jones is bigger than the others. The early Jones was amazing. Incredible. More so than the others. But both Sugars got better, as they fought tough opposition and learnt, whereas Jones got a little worse as he got by on speed and reflexes rather than craft. This is why he ended up getting battered by a fighter several leagues below him.

I'll go with Lenoard purely because I grew up watching him. ;)

All three beat Marciano though ;D

When Robinson was coming up it wasn't uncommon to have fifty or sixty fights under your belt before becoming a titlei st. Ray Robinson was a better fighter and used leverage to his advantage and he fought everyone in "The Golden Age of Boxing" Ray Leonard was a golden boy who a brought up carefully and still managed t outshine everyone. Roy Jones, what can you say about a man with superior skills and no one to use them on. No one was getting on line to fight Roy and Roy has to be admired because he is his own man. The results, Roy Jones KO 12 Ray Leonard. Ray Robinson UD 15Rd's over Roy Jones. Experience and the ability to be great for more than one decade.

Well since "Boxing" evolves, and Ray Robinson was great not just because of his skill, but because the others who fought back then, couldn't do what he did. Move and throw and leverage themselves like he did, by the time Roy came around, many people were doing what Robinson was doing, but just as the basics, since Boxing evolved, and Ali had already come around and people were emulating him, and Roy beat this "evolved" generation for over 10 years. At Middleweight, hmm.. Roy beats Leonard at Middleweight. And then Roy beats Robinson, Robinson comes back in a rematch and beats Roy Jones Jr. via decision, and then they draw in the 3rd fight. I'm saying this, because in both their eras, no one had seen anyone like them 8)

Nobody knows how good this Roy Jones guy was at Middleweight because he didn't fight anybody!

Roy Jones wasn't even the best Middleweight when he was at Middleweight, Gerald McClellan was. Roy Jones was never ranked as the best Middleweight in the world.


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Lenard and Robinson were amazing fighters.... but no one will compair with the calibur of RJJ.... he is way to quick... i say in a 15 rd fight... RJJ by very late round KO or UD forsure

I hope you punched him for wearing that shirt ;D

roy jones in his prime never got pressured like hearns, duran pressured leonard or basileo pressured robinson its hard to say how roy with his tremendous skills would fare against all time greats such as robinson and leonard since his prime consisted of dominating b grade opponents

Sugar Ray Leonard was the best of the lot.

He gets put behind Robinson because he is the 2nd Sugar, but I'm willing to bet, if he had fought in the 1940's & 50's, we would all be saying he is the greatest.

Leonard had everything in his prime. He could brawl, box, punch, he had a great chin, phenomenal speed & tremendous footwork.

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Hard to say. Jones is bigger than the others. The early Jones was amazing. Incredible. More so than the others. But both Sugars got better, as they fought tough opposition and learnt, whereas Jones got a little worse as he got by on speed and reflexes rather than craft. This is why he ended up getting battered by a fighter several leagues below him.

I'll go with Lenoard purely because I grew up watching him. ;)

All three beat Marciano though ;D

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Good job T.! ;D
Not that many people know about the career of Mark Marciano.
The light middleweight who compiled a stunning 3-4 record.
http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=047983


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I had picked Ray Robinson because even as his career was sliding down hill in his last days as Champion, his gift was grit and let's not forget, not too many people fought as often and learned their craft that way. Today guys have special exercises coaches and dietitians, well you get the picture. Besides, if you didn't know boxing, there wouldn't be so many examples being analyzed by you all because it's the variety that keeps you on your toes and even when I don't post, I f*****g enjoy how you debate.

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Originally Posted by taansend

Hard to say. Jones is bigger than the others. The early Jones was amazing. Incredible. More so than the others. But both Sugars got better, as they fought tough opposition and learnt, whereas Jones got a little worse as he got by on speed and reflexes rather than craft. This is why he ended up getting battered by a fighter several leagues below him.

I'll go with Lenoard purely because I grew up watching him. ;)

All three beat Marciano though ;D

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Good job T.! ;D
Not that many people know about the career of Mark Marciano.
The light middleweight who compiled a stunning 3-4 record.
http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=047983


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Dummy!!!

I was talking about Tommy Marciano who had a 16-2-1 record back in the 50's ;D
http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=058829

:LMAO: Mark Marciano.

ahaha Charlie Murphy.

Robinson every time, he was the greatest pound for pound of all time for the people he thought and the time he lasted,

Sugar ray comes a close second

roy jones comes a very distant third

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Sugar Ray Leonard was the best of the lot.

He gets put behind Robinson because he is the 2nd Sugar, but I'm willing to bet, if he had fought in the 1940's & 50's, we would all be saying he is the greatest.

Leonard had everything in his prime. He could brawl, box, punch, he had a great chin, phenomenal speed & tremendous footwork.

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SRL is a great, but not the greatest. He lost to Duran in fight 1, was schooled for 13 rounds by Herans in fight 1 (credit for finishing it though) clearly lost fight 2 with Hearns and probably lost to Hagler!!

Great but not the greatest!!

yeah robinson and leonard where good but jones at 160 was awesome. he had unstoppable speed,power.
his boxing skill was unmatched by these two and any other boxer you can think of.
the only problem for jones was there was no herns,haglar,leonard to fight in his era. there was only hopkins and toney and he made them look like guys that should be his sparring partners.

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Sugar Ray Leonard was the best of the lot.

He gets put behind Robinson because he is the 2nd Sugar, but I'm willing to bet, if he had fought in the 1940's & 50's, we would all be saying he is the greatest.

Leonard had everything in his prime. He could brawl, box, punch, he had a great chin, phenomenal speed & tremendous footwork.

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Roy Jones was naturally the biggest so chances are he would win. On a P4P level Leonard was way above RJ imo. And i put Robinson and Leonard on close terms also.

Where talkin primes here, right? NOBODY...I REPEAT NOBODY, BEATS THE ORIGINAL SUGAR MAN, IN A CLASS BY HIMSELF!!!!

Roy Jones Jr. prime for prime against anyone would win except maybe Mike Tyson. He was sooo much faster than Leonard or Robinson p4p in both reflexes and handspeed, and he was just as quick as Leonard for footspeed. Last but not least he hit hard enough to knock either one of them out.

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Roy Jones Jr. prime for prime against anyone would win except maybe Mike Tyson. He was sooo much faster than Leonard or Robinson p4p in both reflexes and handspeed, and he was just as quick as Leonard for footspeed. Last but not least he hit hard enough to knock either one of them out.

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Would he have beaten Lennox Lewis or Riddick Bowe??

pound for pound... are you seriously asking? If they were roughly the same size he would destroy them.

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pound for pound... are you seriously asking? If they were roughly the same size he would destroy them.

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I didn't realize you were taling p4p ?