Quintana/Williams & Forrest/Mora together on June 7th?

This little tidbit was in Dan Rafael's Notebook today.

• Vernon Forrest's junior middleweight title defense against "Contender" Season 1 winner Sergio Mora is moving from May 10 to June 7. Showtime will pair it with the rematch between welterweight titlist Carlos Quintana and Paul Williams, multiple sources involved in the event told ESPN.com. Quintana dominated Williams to win the decision in a major upset Feb. 9. Williams had a rematch clause and exercised it.


ESPN - Notebook: Better late than never - Boxing


Steve Kim of Maxboxing also had a small blurb reporting this in his article today as well.

JUNE 7TH

I've been told that Showtime could be airing a doubleheader featuring the rematch between WBO welterweight champion Carlos Quintana and Paul Williams and a jr. middleweight contest between Vernon Forrest and Sergio Mora on June 7th.

The Nokia Theatre (which is across the street from the Staples Center in Los Angeles) and venues in Nevada are being discussed for that promotion.

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Forrest will destroy mora.

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Forrest will destroy mora.

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The quintana/williams rematch is intriguing.. gonna be interesting to see paul fighting with some fire up his ass.

Great fightcard, I think Williams will struggle to do any better against Quintana.

I fancy Mora to cause an upset though over Forrest. At the very least it will be a competitive fight imo, he certainly won't get blown out.

Forrest will destroy Mora. And Quintana will again beat Williams

Mora is going to get stopped, I can't see it any other way.

Isnt this the same date as Pavlik-Lockett?
(Assuming that's a done deal).

Forrest will defeat Mora.

I'm interested to see how the Quintana/ Williams rematch plays out.

Woow is rare , because yestarday in a local journal i readed that these rematch between Quintana vs Williams agreed that they will fight in May 24 /08 , but now in other news the Quintana trainer Jose Bonilla said that these fight now was discarded it because they not even get to a financial agreement and to have signed contract because now is Quintana that are in sit on the desk fot waiting a good financial agreement , if im not mistake in May / 24 Pantera going fight with Kessler , that is another issue , he traine both Quintana and Pantera , Jose Bonilla said that he dont going to choose with who going to be in a fight , supposedly the rematch going to be in P.R.,Jose Bonilla doesnt think that both fight comes, just until they sign the the contract........ Lest see what going Happen .......:cool:

Gotta love Williams wanting an immediate rematch against Quintana for the title....Just like he gave Margarito a chance to recapture it:rolleyes:

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Mora is going to get stopped, I can't see it any other way.

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You should. I'm picking Sergio via decision.

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Mora is going to get stopped, I can't see it any other way.

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You should. I'm picking Sergio via decision.

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Care to explain why? I actually don't mind Mora, I wouldn't mind in the least if he pulled off the upset and finally gained some credibility, but Forrest is too skilled for him - if that shark attack guy dropped Mora I think Forrest will stop him. Did you see Mora's last fight where he got a gift draw vs. Ayala? Unless he improves dramatically, Forrest is going to KO him.

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Mora is going to get stopped, I can't see it any other way.

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You should. I'm picking Sergio via decision.

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Care to explain why? I actually don't mind Mora, I wouldn't mind in the least if he pulled off the upset and finally gained some credibility, but Forrest is too skilled for him - if that shark attack guy dropped Mora I think Forrest will stop him. Did you see Mora's last fight where he got a gift draw vs. Ayala? Unless he improves dramatically, Forrest is going to KO him.

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Yea, I'd love to here a technical breakdown of why anyone would pick Mora to win. This is just one of those fights where people like to pick the underdog for no good reason imo. Could be wrong as I'm not some master of technical evaluation myself, but I just don't see what the hell Mora is going to do to win considering how both have looked recently.

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Care to explain why? I actually don't mind Mora, I wouldn't mind in the least if he pulled off the upset and finally gained some credibility, but Forrest is too skilled for him - if that shark attack guy dropped Mora I think Forrest will stop him. Did you see Mora's last fight where he got a gift draw vs. Ayala? Unless he improves dramatically, Forrest is going to KO him.

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Yea, I'd love to here a technical breakdown of why anyone would pick Mora to win. This is just one of those fights where people like to pick the underdog for no good reason imo. Could be wrong as I'm not some master of technical evaluation myself, but I just don't see what the hell Mora is going to do to win considering how both have looked recently.

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I'd love to see a technical breakdown that gave Mora any advantage, let alone enough of them to win. Like I said, I like Mora, but he's fighting a top-tier fighter, one who has been consistantly fighting good opponents for many years. Also, Forrest, from what I've read, is finally healthy. I doubt Mora will be more competitive than Baldomir was against Forrest. The only way he doesn't get stopped is if he runs all night. Come to think of it, Baldomir probably would have been a more reasonable step up for Mora.

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Gotta love Williams wanting an immediate rematch against Quintana for the title....Just like he gave Margarito a chance to recapture it:rolleyes:

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Quintana is going to win again.

I agree that Williams did not want to give Tony a rematch and he should have. After the Q is done with Williams, no one will even give PW the time of day. If Tony beats Cintron, I doubt even Tony will look Williams way and I am sure because he did not give him a rematch, he will just tell PW to go F himself.

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Mora is going to get stopped, I can't see it any other way.

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You should. I'm picking Sergio via decision.

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Care to explain why? I actually don't mind Mora, I wouldn't mind in the least if he pulled off the upset and finally gained some credibility, but Forrest is too skilled for him - if that shark attack guy dropped Mora I think Forrest will stop him. Did you see Mora's last fight where he got a gift draw vs. Ayala? Unless he improves dramatically, Forrest is going to KO him.

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Flash knock downs happen. I think Mora has a pretty solid chin and I don't see him getting knocked out. I have no idea what game plan Sergio has but I hope the fight is entertaining and I hope Mora does not pull out of this fight too. All the other Contenders have stepped up.
Manfredo Jr/Calzaghe
Gomez/Cotto
Forbes/ODLH
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Mora is going to get stopped, I can't see it any other way.

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You should. I'm picking Sergio via decision.

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Care to explain why? I actually don't mind Mora, I wouldn't mind in the least if he pulled off the upset and finally gained some credibility, but Forrest is too skilled for him - if that shark attack guy dropped Mora I think Forrest will stop him. Did you see Mora's last fight where he got a gift draw vs. Ayala? Unless he improves dramatically, Forrest is going to KO him.

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size and speed.

Forrest looked good beating people who are a natural weight class lower then him. But he only looks good nowadays against people he can impose his will on and make take backward steps to eventually succumb to him. He isnt the Forrest that beat Mosley and against Quartey when he couldnt impose his will and had a jab to deal with he looked crap. Mora looked like crap his last match too. But if this fight happens at 160 I'll pick Sergio.

The fact that Sergio does have a good though underutilized jab a good body attack and can fight on the inside with his length and be active during it he has the type of style that could and would cause Forrest a whole lot of trouble, and given his style it's going to be hard for Forrest to land that great uppercut on him. Mora i think is very underrated, and I expect him to cause Forrest trouble, get beat around here and there but ultimately beat Forrest by a close decision maybe 8 rounds to 4. Won't hurt either fighter's career.

Quintana / Williams-- for me is a pick 'em fight. I thought Quintana and Cotto would be a boxing clinic, but the wrong Quintana showed up that night. I thought Williams would pepper Quintana all night, but he wrong PW showed up. Who shows up on this night? When we see, then we will know what type of fight to expect.

Please remembe that CQ did everything WRONG against Cotto--bending in, leaving his head exposed to hooks, on and on... if he does that against Williams, it won't be pretty.

As for Forrest, he should try his best to stay within the top 5 of the division, or good challenges--Mayorga, Bunema, Alcine, Powell, Julio. What does he gain by beating Mora? He beat the contender champ from three years ago?

As for Mora, he has been the biggest case of get $$$, lose your hunger. He looked horrible in every fight since losing the contender, and only his size (NOT his power) is a factor in this fight. I hope Forrest punishes him just so he can go away and be a rich civilian with his mom.

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Care to explain why? I actually don't mind Mora, I wouldn't mind in the least if he pulled off the upset and finally gained some credibility, but Forrest is too skilled for him - if that shark attack guy dropped Mora I think Forrest will stop him. Did you see Mora's last fight where he got a gift draw vs. Ayala? Unless he improves dramatically, Forrest is going to KO him.

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size and speed.

Forrest looked good beating people who are a natural weight class lower then him. But he only looks good nowadays against people he can impose his will on and make take backward steps to eventually succumb to him. He isnt the Forrest that beat Mosley and against Quartey when he couldnt impose his will and had a jab to deal with he looked crap. Mora looked like crap his last match too. But if this fight happens at 160 I'll pick Sergio.

The fact that Sergio does have a good though underutilized jab a good body attack and can fight on the inside with his length and be active during it he has the type of style that could and would cause Forrest a whole lot of trouble, and given his style it's going to be hard for Forrest to land that great uppercut on him. Mora i think is very underrated, and I expect him to cause Forrest trouble, get beat around here and there but ultimately beat Forrest by a close decision maybe 8 rounds to 4. Won't hurt either fighter's career.

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The fight is at 154, not 160 but I don't think the weight is much of a factor for Mora as he's fought at 154 before. From what I've seen Forrest is faster than Mora - the fact that I've seen more of Mora than of Forrest says a lot about how much mainstream exposure boxing gets. I think the sharp, accurace punching of Forrest will test Mora's chin via the volume of clean punches I expect Forrest to land. And like Arawakwarria says, Mora is bigger than Forrest, but it won't be much of a factor because he does not possess a lot of power and because he does not utilize his size by "fighting tall" as Teddy Atlas would say. But the main factor against Mora I think is the difference in experience. I'll probably be cheering for Mora, but I don't think he'll win and I think the loss will be by stoppage.
Edit: I checked boxrec and they're both listed at 6'0 with a 73" reach, so I don't think size will be a big advantage for Mora.

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Gotta love Williams wanting an immediate rematch against Quintana for the title....Just like he gave Margarito a chance to recapture it:rolleyes:

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Quintana is going to win again.

I agree that Williams did not want to give Tony a rematch and he should have. After the Q is done with Williams, no one will even give PW the time of day. If Tony beats Cintron, I doubt even Tony will look Williams way and I am sure because he did not give him a rematch, he will just tell PW to go F himself.

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IMO Williams loses again he deserves to be thrown to the lower rankings and into journeyman status...he has rode his few wins but decided to become a celeberty for a year instead of do his job in the ring...I think someone forgot to tell him being champion does not just mean winning the title

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Yes, yes he will.
Shame Mayorga isn't fighting Forrest like I hoped he would. He'll find someone else to dance with I'm sure though.

I really think Mora has a chance against Forrest, it all depends on how confident he is coming in to it.

He's fought and beaten bigger men in Manfredo, Brinkley and Regan and has enough speed to cause Forrest problems.

We have to remember that Forrest barely scraped past Quartey in a fight I've never heard anyone say he won. He then beat Baldimor in an entertaining fight but Baldimor is awful. He got a gift last time out against that Perez guy who Alfonso Gomez destroyed the year before.

A win over that foreign guy was impressive but he was old and past it.

Mora had two great fights with Manfredo and came through them.

You can argue he was lucky to get the decision against Peter in the second fight but he was cut horrifically in the first or second round and had certainly rallied by the end of the fight.

Furthermore he was facing a Manfredo who had confidence, which I believe is significant. When Manfredo is confident he's a handful. Against Calzaghe and Lacy he seemed to freeze hence the lacklustre performances.

Providing Mora himself doesn't freeze against Forrest I really believe he will cause him problems.

I'll probably pick him in the prediciton contest just for the crack.