The Lightweight Division...

So now that the Baby Bull has been taken apart by Nate Campbell, who's going to fight Nate?

Many people are backing Casamayor in his fight with Katsidis saying he's gonna box the skin off his face. I for one think Kasidis will win this on what I have seen in the ring as of late with Santacruz... Horrible.

Barring this fight being stopped on cuts I think that Katsidis will just outwork Joel. Now, in this sinerio, it's been said that Goldenboy would rather vacate then go up against Nate Campbell... This has been said by Campbell so I don't know how much water this holds. But if Nate were to fight Katsidis like he did Diaz then I see Campbell winning this also.

In the other sinario you have Joel winning. This could set up a possible rematch to their 2003 affair where Nate was outboxed. I see Nate winning a rematch with Casamayor also.

So where does Campbell go from here. He has finally made it. After all his attemps he made it on exposing a champ by giving him a dose of his own medicine. Nate Campbell impressed me by beating Juan Diaz to a bloody pulp. Something no one has come close to doing.

Now he fights who?...

I feel the baby bull will have to wait a bit longer.
Given the severity of his facial injuries I feel that he will be out for a while, perhaps for the rest of the year.

Campbell is a hot prperty right now and as he isn't getting any younger I'd say we'll see him make hay while the sun shines, perhaps taking the fight with the other Diaz or maybe even Pac.

On the Casa/Katsidis front either man could go to fight Campbell while Diaz recupperates and either could win or lose.

It's a situation with hundreds of possibilities, but none which involve Juan Diaz until the end of the year or beyond.

I'm very happy that Nate finally made it, and honestly, I think he's the best at 135 right now. Not by much, not in a dominate way, but he's the best by a little. I hope he gets one bigass payday in the next year or two to set up college funds for his pack of kids.

The problem for Nate is that Pac and maybe JMM are coming to 135, and once they get there, both going to be much better than any of the current crop of LW's. Amir Khan may eventually be the class of the division, but Khan probably won't hit his peak until he moves up to 140.

Perhaps Campbell iss the best "by a little" but he's still aging and he needs to hurry on and get his business done.

I don't agree that Pac and JMM will be better, they both started at much higher weights and there is notyhing to say that they won't be too small for lightweight.

All I have to say about Juan Manuel is that he is a Fantastic fighter. I love watching him fight. But if he's getting knocked down and around by featherweights what's a proper lightweight gonna do to him?

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

All I have to say about Juan Manuel is that he is a Fantastic fighter. I love watching him fight. But if he's getting knocked down and around by featherweights what's a proper lightweight gonna do to him?

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Perhaps Campbell iss the best "by a little" but he's still aging and he needs to hurry on and get his business done.

I don't agree that Pac and JMM will be better, they both started at much higher weights and there is notyhing to say that they won't be too small for lightweight.

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I think Pac will be plenty big at 135. JMM, maybe not.

Perhaps he will, howver, the style he uses is one which could be exploited by bigger stronger fighters easily. He can't go up forever.

Pac would do OK. He has a nice wide frame that can support weight... But it is true that he would get exploited... He would slow so his swarming style might get him in some trouble at LW.:confused:

But he's targeting the one guy at the top he should beat to test himself. Thats clever.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

But he's targeting the one guy at the top he should beat to test himself. Thats clever.

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Pac is one of the most tremendous athletes in the sport right now. I was extremely impressed at the wat Marquez fought as well. Marquez is great and will be remembered for these fights and others for a long time.

It's true that Marquez will be remebered, but I feel he has to go another direction now.
A rematch with Pacquiao would be an unnecessary toll on both fighters reserves and they should both focus on other pursuits.

If Manny is to climb to lightweight, Juan Manuel can still avail of some top class competition against the likes of Joan Guzman and Edwin Valero if he so wishes.

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Perhaps he will, howver, the style he uses is one which could be exploited by bigger stronger fighters easily. He can't go up forever.

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I think 135 is as high as Pac can go and still be a force. I wouldn't be surprised to see him fight Hatton at some point at 140, but that would be too big for him to fight.

One reason I think Pac will do well at LW is that the division is thin right now. It's an interesting division, because there is a lot of B-grade talent and it makes for nice matchups. I'm not sure Pac could handle a really great true lightweight, but there aren't any of those around right now.

Donny makes a great point that he's targeting a beltholder who can essentially be a warmup/test fight for him. I can't imagine him lossing to David Diaz, but he struggles too much with him, it will be telling.

The only top LW who can both punch and box is Campbell. That's probably the most dangerous fight for him at that weight. Kats can crack, but Manny can outbox Kats, and for that matter,Baby Bull. Casa can't punch, but Manny would overwhelm him, me thinks. Nate has skill AND he can crack a little, esp to a guy coming up. As long as Nate doesn't stick his chin out at Manny...that would be a bad move.

For Pacquiao I feel he should target guys like David Diaz and Casamayor.

Campbell, Diaz and Katsidis are very physical guys and as Manny is undeniably smaller using a physical style those are the guys who could see him beaten.

I don't think Pac would like Nate Campbells body attack at all, that's the one fighter at LW I would pick over him I think.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

For Pacquiao I feel he should target guys like David Diaz and Casamayor.

Campbell, Diaz and Katsidis are very physical guys and as Manny is undeniably smaller using a physical style those are the guys who could see him beaten.

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This is true

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Originally Posted by p4pking

I don't think Pac would like Nate Campbells body attack at all, that's the one fighter at LW I would pick over him I think.

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Any of the more physical top tier lightweights have a shot beating Pac as they will be naturally stronger and will bully him rather then the other way around...

Pac would try to swarm and get straifed with the same type of blows but by much stronger and physically larger men:-\

I think Nates gonna end up fighting the winner of Julio Diaz vs. Ganoy (Don Kings choice)
I could also see Nate fighting Terron or Cherry.

But something tells me he'll fight Santa Cruz. ;)

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

For Pacquiao I feel he should target guys like David Diaz and Casamayor.

Campbell, Diaz and Katsidis are very physical guys and as Manny is undeniably smaller using a physical style those are the guys who could see him beaten.

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You are right about him matching up better against Casa and D.Diaz, but Pac hits harder than Juan Diaz, even though Diaz might be physically stronger, and he's a more skilled fighter. He's got more skill than Kats as well. Those guys do present more difficult matchups, but if he uses his skill and speed, he can outbox them and still have the power to hurt them, even if he can't KO him. We saw how much Juan Diaz's workrate got reduced when he got in with a guy who could hurt him.

That being said, it he got into a pure war with Kats or Bull, he those guys would have a chance to beat him. still, I think Freddy can come up a with a gameplan to beat Bull or Kats, and if Manny can stick to it, he would win.

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I don't think Pac would like Nate Campbells body attack at all, that's the one fighter at LW I would pick over him I think.

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Campbell also has a very high out put plus he rolls with the punches very well. Pacquiao has never dealt with anyone like that before so it would be interesting to see how Pacquiao dealt with a slick fighter like Campbell.

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I don't think Pac would like Nate Campbells body attack at all, that's the one fighter at LW I would pick over him I think.

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Any of the more physical top tier lightweights have a shot beating Pac as they will be naturally stronger and will bully him rather then the other way around...

Pac would try to swarm and get straifed with the same type of blows but by much stronger and physically larger men:-\

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Dead on POB, exactly my train of though

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For Pacquiao I feel he should target guys like David Diaz and Casamayor.

Campbell, Diaz and Katsidis are very physical guys and as Manny is undeniably smaller using a physical style those are the guys who could see him beaten.

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You are right about him matching up better against Casa and D.Diaz, but Pac hits harder than Juan Diaz, even though Diaz might be physically stronger, and he's a more skilled fighter. He's got more skill than Kats as well. Those guys do present more difficult matchups, but if he uses his skill and speed, he can outbox them and still have the power to hurt them, even if he can't KO him. We saw how much Juan Diaz's workrate got reduced when he got in with a guy who could hurt him.

That being said, it he got into a pure war with Kats or Bull, he those guys would have a chance to beat him. still, I think Freddy can come up a with a gameplan to beat Bull or Kats, and if Manny can stick to it, he would win.

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I feel it wasn't the pain that stopped Juan working, it was the body to body physicality and opposition nof forces. Pac couldn't offer that at lightweight

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I don't think Pac would like Nate Campbells body attack at all, that's the one fighter at LW I would pick over him I think.

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Any of the more physical top tier lightweights have a shot beating Pac as they will be naturally stronger and will bully him rather then the other way around...

Pac would try to swarm and get straifed with the same type of blows but by much stronger and physically larger men:-\

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Dead on POB, exactly my train of though

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

For Pacquiao I feel he should target guys like David Diaz and Casamayor.

Campbell, Diaz and Katsidis are very physical guys and as Manny is undeniably smaller using a physical style those are the guys who could see him beaten.

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You are right about him matching up better against Casa and D.Diaz, but Pac hits harder than Juan Diaz, even though Diaz might be physically stronger, and he's a more skilled fighter. He's got more skill than Kats as well. Those guys do present more difficult matchups, but if he uses his skill and speed, he can outbox them and still have the power to hurt them, even if he can't KO him. We saw how much Juan Diaz's workrate got reduced when he got in with a guy who could hurt him.

That being said, it he got into a pure war with Kats or Bull, he those guys would have a chance to beat him. still, I think Freddy can come up a with a gameplan to beat Bull or Kats, and if Manny can stick to it, he would win.

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I feel it wasn't the pain that stopped Juan working, it was the body to body physicality and opposition nof forces. Pac couldn't offer that at lightweight

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True...Pac can't body up and infight with Juan the same way Campbell did, but getting countered with fast straight lefts could have the same effect. Pac couldn't fight the same way Nate fought and win. He would need a different gameplan.

Listen, I didn't just jump off the Baby Bull bandwagon. I like him, but he's a flawed fighter and he gets by mostly on heart and determination. I respect that a ton, but I rate Manny in a much higher class. Manny has flaws, too, but he's a much more complete fighter, enough so that he overcome the size disadvantage. He been in with a whole different caliber of boxers than Diaz and come out on top.

I'm not saying Diaz has no chance, but I would favor Pac in a close decision with Juan throwing more, but Manny landing much cleaner harder shots.

I got it.... :D

Rematch!!!

Nate will re-match Almazbek...

Urbano Antillon deserves a shot at a big belt. He would give Nate the hardest fight. I gotta see Casa's fight with Kats before I write him off as washed-up. I still would like to see Juan Diaz Vs. Kats, because they would make for a exciting matchup. Right now I rank the top lightweights like this:
1) Nate Campbell
2) Juan Diaz
3) Joel Casamayor
4) Urbano Antillon
5) Michael Katsidis
6) David Diaz
7) Julio Diaz
8. Amir Khan
9) Anthony Peterson
10) Edner Cherry
I think the other guys in the top 20 are bit overrated.
Hey I just noticed you cant do 8 with ) or you get a 8) lol

Maybe he should fight Peden. He'd win easy now and it'd help his legacy beating the guy that ko'd him twice.

Im mainly saying this cos i like the BOMBER and i think it'd be good to see him get 1 last paycheck.

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Maybe he should fight Peden. He'd win easy now and it'd help his legacy beating the guy that ko'd him twice.

Im mainly saying this cos i like the BOMBER and i think it'd be good to see him get 1 last paycheck.

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Nate should slam the door on that chapter and do natta's to bring up reflections on it by others.Its a lose everything fight and once again become a laughing stock IF lightning was to strick three times.Agree on Pedan though,always been a tough and gritty sort and with Nates rebounding ,Pedan looks stellar and maybe he can build up?Has he been active

I think the lightweights are stacked.Casa vs.Kats/Peterson looming and looking to break out/Khan is proven to be the real deal/Pac & Marquez?..coming up/Julio & Juan coming back ,Santa-Cruz deserves a big one etc. I think Casa will drowned Kats (hope Im wrong) And I would love to see J.Diaz Vs. Kats (styles) or Campbell Vs. Kats.
I think Pac will be in deeper waters than he may think here,I think he's slipped just a bit.

Dont sleep on Raheem either.....Haa. I do think He'll box Kid Diamond around.

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Originally Posted by eagle

Maybe he should fight Peden. He'd win easy now and it'd help his legacy beating the guy that ko'd him twice.

Im mainly saying this cos i like the BOMBER and i think it'd be good to see him get 1 last paycheck.

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Nate should slam the door on that chapter and do natta's to bring up reflections on it by others.Its a lose everything fight and once again become a laughing stock IF lightning was to strick three times.Agree on Pedan though,always been a tough and gritty sort and with Nates rebounding ,Pedan looks stellar and maybe he can build up?Has he been active

I think the lightweights are stacked.Casa vs.Kats/Peterson looming and looking to break out/Khan is proven to be the real deal/Pac & Marquez?..coming up/Julio & Juan coming back ,Santa-Cruz deserves a big one etc. I think Casa will drowned Kats (hope Im wrong) And I would love to see J.Diaz Vs. Kats (styles) or Campbell Vs. Kats.
I think Pac will be in deeper waters than he may think here,I think he's slipped just a bit.

Dont sleep on Raheem either.....Haa. I do think He'll box Kid Diamond around.

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Peden is shot. Last fight was against Renne Ganoy a while back and h got tko'd in 8. Think he is too small for 135, really neded to fight at 126 or 130.

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Maybe he should fight Peden. He'd win easy now and it'd help his legacy beating the guy that ko'd him twice.

Im mainly saying this cos i like the BOMBER and i think it'd be good to see him get 1 last paycheck.

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Nate should slam the door on that chapter and do natta's to bring up reflections on it by others.Its a lose everything fight and once again become a laughing stock IF lightning was to strick three times.Agree on Pedan though,always been a tough and gritty sort and with Nates rebounding ,Pedan looks stellar and maybe he can build up?Has he been active

I think the lightweights are stacked.Casa vs.Kats/Peterson looming and looking to break out/Khan is proven to be the real deal/Pac & Marquez?..coming up/Julio & Juan coming back ,Santa-Cruz deserves a big one etc. I think Casa will drowned Kats (hope Im wrong) And I would love to see J.Diaz Vs. Kats (styles) or Campbell Vs. Kats.
I think Pac will be in deeper waters than he may think here,I think he's slipped just a bit.

Dont sleep on Raheem either.....Haa. I do think He'll box Kid Diamond around.

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Peden is shot. Last fight was against Renne Ganoy a while back and h got tko'd in 8. Think he is too small for 135, really neded to fight at 126 or 130.

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So much for that then. Wasn't Peden the one who was almost beat to death in a home invasion by some guys with bats?Always seemed like a nice enough guy.Well he'll aleays have Nates skin on the wall but can we really call them (1st extreme stupidity) flucks or just part of Nate's hot and cold past?I went back pre Diaz fight and watched the F.Lorenzo fight and He looked god awful.Relly good to see him come around and get title win,great story.

Well he'll fight Casa as they have a bit of a mutual appreciation thing going on. I've read a few articles with them complimenting each other so it wouldn't surprise me to see it.

The biggest threat to his thrown is the man he beat. I can't believe people are writing off Juan for one bad night. If he gets a rematch, I say he gets his belts back. He will have learned from this.

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Nate should slam the door on that chapter and do natta's to bring up reflections on it by others.Its a lose everything fight and once again become a laughing stock IF lightning was to strick three times.Agree on Pedan though,always been a tough and gritty sort and with Nates rebounding ,Pedan looks stellar and maybe he can build up?Has he been active

I think the lightweights are stacked.Casa vs.Kats/Peterson looming and looking to break out/Khan is proven to be the real deal/Pac & Marquez?..coming up/Julio & Juan coming back ,Santa-Cruz deserves a big one etc. I think Casa will drowned Kats (hope Im wrong) And I would love to see J.Diaz Vs. Kats (styles) or Campbell Vs. Kats.
I think Pac will be in deeper waters than he may think here,I think he's slipped just a bit.

Dont sleep on Raheem either.....Haa. I do think He'll box Kid Diamond around.

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Peden is shot. Last fight was against Renne Ganoy a while back and h got tko'd in 8. Think he is too small for 135, really neded to fight at 126 or 130.

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So much for that then. Wasn't Peden the one who was almost beat to death in a home invasion by some guys with bats?Always seemed like a nice enough guy.Well he'll aleays have Nates skin on the wall but can we really call them (1st extreme stupidity) flucks or just part of Nate's hot and cold past?I went back pre Diaz fight and watched the F.Lorenzo fight and He looked god awful.Relly good to see him come around and get title win,great story.

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Yeah he did get attacked in his bed. Imagine waking up with guys in balaclavas hitting u with bats!!!
Robbie had great power for hs size, some massive KO's, but lacked a bit of defense. Had a good amateur career. Won a commonwealth gold medal
if that means anything.

I think Campbell should target the Casamayor/ Katsidis winner! Go after the championship!

Definitely go after the Ring Champ, so there are no questions.

Also, about what was said about Pac & JMM, please remember that pac started out as the smaller fighter. Maybe not in true size, but in wear and tear to make weight. Aslo, all of you already saw how extra weight slowed him down in JMM2... I think Cambell would handle them both handily based on size & technique alone.

An for the comments about age, tell me this;
who has been in the ring longer? Nate or Juan Diaz?
If you said Nate, you would be right... by four months!

He only turned pro in Feb 2000! His biggest wear and tear was in two fights with Peden, and he got smart. And in a fight of 'two old men,' he looked like a young boy as he outlcassed Ricky Quiles in his 2ND elimination fight. Don't forget that he waited 18 months for his IBF mandatory, so he has a whole lot on reserve.

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

I think Campbell should target the Casamayor/ Katsidis winner! Go after the championship!

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Nate has a big opportunity to unify all the titles... He can beat both these men... Kats and goldenboy don't want anything to do with him and joel is near the end of his rein... hanging by a thread.

If nate unified and took the ring belt he'd cement a decent legacy after a spotted career.

Now that Baby Bull isn't the champ, we could see Kahn fighting for a title a little bit sooner.

Katsidis would be a dream of a fight for Kahn I think.

He's well reputed, popular and leads with his head.

Kahn's movement and power would be key and I feel he could beat Katsidis with a few more fights.

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Now that Baby Bull isn't the champ, we could see Kahn fighting for a title a little bit sooner.

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If Rees wins this weekend, I think Khan has his world title shot right there.

If Rees wins this weekend I'm going to vomit:-\

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If Rees wins this weekend I'm going to vomit:-\

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Rees is going to win this weekend so get your bucket;D

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I think Campbell should target the Casamayor/ Katsidis winner! Go after the championship!

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Nate has a big opportunity to unify all the titles... He can beat both these men... Kats and goldenboy don't want anything to do with him and joel is near the end of his rein... hanging by a thread.

If nate unified and took the ring belt he'd cement a decent legacy after a spotted career.

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Campbell only needs to beat Casamayor to become champion! The belts don't mean sh*t!!!

Now that Joel has taken care of Katsidis a rematch with Campbell is the fight that makes sense!

Casamayor should give Cambell a title shot. I think he has to be the #1 contender now that Kasidis and Diaz have been beat.