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This guy hasn't looked good since Lennox Lewis was in the ring.
He's taken great champions and turned them into chumps and his prospects fall at the first hurdle.
They should put this guy out to pasture, let him concentrate on his HBO work and grow old with dignity like Larry Merchant.
He shouldn't be in boxing anymore, he just doesn't have anything left.......
that AND it seems like his top fighters weren't listening to him during the fight..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
think of Jermain Taylor getting yelled at in the corner, and not listening or adjusting.. Wlad Klitschko not KO'ing Ibragimov or even trying when Emmanuel was yelling at him in the corner..
im dissapointed too, andy had steward in his damn corner but it seem like he had nobody there. Did he even teach andy how to hold like how he taught lewis and klitscko brothers? wtf steward? did you forsee that andy would never need to?
I think Stewart is still capable of being a good trainer, but he has just spread himself too thin. He does his HBO work, has about 500 fighters in his stable. How can he spend any real time with a fighter?
He has become too much of a celebrity, and I imagine that unless you are a champion, time getting actually trained by him is probably very minimal.
Yeah the same as we see with Freddie Roach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Personally I'd rather have a small time trainer dedicated to me like Hatton and Pavlik have or else a skilled uncle like Floyd.
If a trainer has more than 10 fighters in his stable I'd say thanks but no thanks and go with a trainer who viewed me as their priority.
Steward is a great trainer. Fighters lose sometimes, Emmanuel can only do his best outside the ring but when the bell sounds the fighter is on his own. He gives the right instructions, but as mentioned above sometimes the fighter doesnt listen.
I dont buy into the whole trainer as guru thing anyway. Steward has trained great fighters but also his share of tomato can hype jobs. I dont think he should neccessarily retire but people shouldnt expect that just because Manny is behind the camp organisation that a top fighter will automatically emerge.
He definitley looks a little sparse.Cintron ignored him All night as well. I can not remember the fight but it was nationally televised about 12 years ago he actually walked out of the corner and went to the dressing room between rounds. Ive never seen that before(?) but he berated the guy in between rounds,urged him to fight harder or he would leave.........and he did leaving the cut man to fill in.That was Insane.On USA tuesday night fights I Believe ??Quote:
Originally Posted by RP33that AND it seems like his top fighters weren't listening to him during the fight..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
think of Jermain Taylor getting yelled at in the corner, and not listening or adjusting.. Wlad Klitschko not KO'ing Ibragimov or even trying when Emmanuel was yelling at him in the corner..
Who's gonna take over for the Klitschko bros' trainer?
Manny's an encyclopedia of boxing, but there certainly does seem to be a communication problem. It's probably like Bilbo said that he spreads his time so thin that when he's actually in the corner the fighter isn't sure to take his word or not since they've primarily been working with other trainers, who perhaps have given slightly conflicting advice.
I read about Manny and the great work he did with the no hopers as well as the prospects that walked into his gym in the early days. seems he taught them more than how to splip the jab and counter - I wonder how many lives he 'saved' from the street in those days...
The trainers role during a fight should not I think be underestimated. The right words and instructions at the right time can be invaluable but if the fighter loses respect for him and is not listening then it's time for trainer and fighter to part company. It used to be that the trainer was the 'boss' but more and more now once a fighter 'makes' it they forget what got them there in the first place - Naz and Ingle is a good example.
I think the experience and knowlege that Stewrad has is a gold mineand it would be a shame to see that go out of boxing.
Lets see with what comes Cintron now in the fight with Margarito , trained by Steward.......:-\
Didn't someone start a similar thread about Buddy McGirt? ;D
There's some things about Manny that I don't think, like the fact that he doesn't where any type of a shirt underneath his ring robe/jacket, and I have to look at his old ass chest, anyways, I do think that he has valuable knowledge for the boxers he trains, it's just all a matter of whether his fighters listen to him. How many of you remember his yelling at Taylor during the Spinks fight, and Taylor didn't listen to one damn thing he said. Can't blame Manny for that shit.
Good question.
Maybe he should drop some of the dead weight and just train Vlad until the wheels fall off. That's what I would do if I were Manny.
He has a nice gig at HBO and many years of watching good fights ahead of him... free fights... up close... free...
His hype for certain fighters lately has been so over the top its bizarre. I mean besides the ridiculous comments about Andy Lee, the Pavlik by the end of the year garbage, does anybody remember Octavio Lara?
Steward hyped him up more than probably any young prospect I can remember, you would think he was going to be the next Julio Cesar Chavez, in fact if I remember correctly he compared him to JCC. Would tell these bizarre stories about how when Lara was like 13 he knocked a pro fighter at Kronk out with one punch and from the way he talked the guy was the absolute next can't miss guy. Except he's like 7-2 with two losses to guys with a 2-2-2 record and a 7-5 record and he hasn't fought in like two years. I had forgotten about the guy but he was such big news for a while cause of Steward's ridiculous hype.
Just seems like he has serious judgement problems about young prospects these days.
There are a few factors surrounding Manny these days...None has to do with his ability or know how...most have been already answered in the other post...
1. Manny is at a level in his career where he does not really want to build a guy from scratch..he has had enough of that during his Kronk days and he did build guys very well...IMO his heart is justy not that into it..He is more there just for the fights and get guys ready the last few weeks
2. Spread to thin at times...and as was mentioned his fighters aree not really listening to him lately...thats because it is a special bond between trainer and fighter...the fighter trust the trainer with his life so to speak...the trainer is supposed to be your eyes outside the ring and they are supposed to do all the homework before the fight and make the adjustments during...if the fighter feels neglected the trust is lost there for when the trainer says to do something during a tough spot in a bout there are questions in the fighters head...doubts...not good for either
3. he is enjoying too much of the outside ring and gym status rather then the grunt work of in the gym...hard to get a fighter back to the grind after some celeberty status (que Paul Williams) let alone a trainer who has been at this a quarter of a century
add all the factors and you have a guy not really into it anymore but is doing it for lack of knowing what else to do....he has all the goods and know how but seems the heart is not there:-\