Sooooooo.....Should Joel be back in the running to face Manny?

I think so. This fight has become incredibly intriguing to me all of a sudden and 2 factors which I think are important:Manny hasn't faced a pure boxer like Joel who uses lateral movement as he does and secondly,Joel has faced far bigger punchers in JLC and Chico and punch for punch,maybe even Kats. Thoughts?

Welll, sure... I mean I'd love to see Pac or Marquez move up to lightweight any fight any of the champ's there. It looks for the meantime like Pac is going to fight David Diaz(kinda a crap fight but good for Manny to at least adjust to the division). While that happens though, I think Casamayor and Nate Campbell should fight. Their first could have gone either way imo, and now I'd slightly favour Nate still but last night proved Casa certainly hasn't lost it. I think Pacquiao would be hard pressed to beat either of them to be honest, but they are certainly great matchups.

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I think so. This fight has become incredibly intriguing to me all of a sudden and 2 factors which I think are important:Manny hasn't faced a pure boxer like Joel who uses lateral movement as he does and secondly,Joel has faced far bigger punchers in JLC and Chico and punch for punch,maybe even Kats. Thoughts?

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There is a high probability that it won't happen this year so it might not happen at all. However, I'd like the fight to happen to see how Manny will fare against a fighter like Casa. It will be very exciting. Just the thought of Pac holding the Ring's championship belt in the superfeather and lightweight is quite an attractive option for Pac.By then,people will be saying again that Pacquaio is only good against aging fighters.;D







An imminent debate with VD will then transpire after this post.;D

Na,Manny is a warrior but Bob Arum will do EVERYTHING humanly possible to make sure he doesn't fight someone like Guzman or Cas,with the lateral movement. They would make Manny look real bad imo I mean JMM with some very slight movement and counter punching troubles Manny ALOT so those 2,yeah,they would be tough. Factor in that Manny has lost the fire of 2006(which I don't think he'll ever surpass) and Cas/Guzman are matches that I don't see being made ever!

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Na,Manny is a warrior but Bob Arum will do EVERYTHING humanly possible to make sure he doesn't fight someone like Guzman or Cas,with the lateral movement. They would make Manny look real bad imo I mean JMM with some very slight movement and counter punching troubles Manny ALOT so those 2,yeah,they would be tough. Factor in that Manny has lost the fire of 2006(which I don't think he'll ever surpass) and Cas/Guzman are matches that I don't see being made ever!

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With what you just said, Arum might be thinking of making the fight with Casa. I'm just afraid that some Pac haters here will be criticizing again that idea. Expect them to say this "Casa is too old, blahblah-blah."

Guzman will be good for Pacquaio. If he wins against Guzman ,Pacquiao will finally prove his superiority even against slick boxers.:cool:

I'd rather see Pacman fighting Cas than David Diaz and Ricky Hatton:it makes more sense but I don't mind the Diaz fight,he needs a break after the JM fight. And I disagree,Arum,as soon as Guzman beat my boy Soto said straight away that the Guzman fight would not be made,we all know why.He saw what we saw,a tremendously skilled fighter who would give Manny HUGE HUGE trouble with this style. It's the same with Cas.

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I'd rather see Pacman fighting Cas than David Diaz and Ricky Hatton:it makes more sense but I don't mind the Diaz fight,he needs a break after the JM fight. And I disagree,Arum,as soon as Guzman beat my boy Soto said straight away that the Guzman fight would not be made,we all know why.He saw what we saw,a tremendously skilled fighter who would give Manny HUGE HUGE trouble with this style. It's the same with Cas.

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Believe me in this EG. Pac vs Guzman is highly probable to happen in the future. It will be good for Pacquaio to fight Guzman especially if Pac already wants to retire.

What a better way to retire. Fight a very good boxer and give the throne to him. Guzman and Valero are good heirs to Pacquaio's fame.:cool:

Glad to see you're being reasonable. Don't you agree that Manny has lost some of his fire>? That fury he had seems to have gone in his last 4 fights imo.He's improved technically but lost some agression and that has made him less dangerous imol.

Well for be sincere , is no doubt that Casamayor is that fight with Katsidis , he showed his real experience of boxing and speed , though in some of round he looked like some tire , but with Pacquiao i think he will going need more stamina for keep boxing the aggressivity of Pacquiao until the end of the fight , that is the only flaw that i will see that Casamayor need for fight to Pacquiao STAMINA ..........;)

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Glad to see you're being reasonable. Don't you agree that Manny has lost some of his fire>? That fury he had seems to have gone in his last 4 fights imo.He's improved technically but lost some agression and that has made him less dangerous imol.

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I agree with you again EG. Manny has somewhat lost his killer instinct. He has slowed down and he lost the aggression. He could have TKOed JMM in the fourth had that happened in 2003 or 2004 when he battered BArrera.

Now he's no longer aggressive and at the same time he's not technically excellent.

It's a matter of time when someone younger and stronger will KO him unless he goes back to his old style and self.

Against Valero, he needs to be the one who castigated Barrera. Against Guzman, Pac needs to be the one who KOed Morales in their 2nd fight.

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I think so. This fight has become incredibly intriguing to me all of a sudden and 2 factors which I think are important:Manny hasn't faced a pure boxer like Joel who uses lateral movement as he does and secondly,Joel has faced far bigger punchers in JLC and Chico and punch for punch,maybe even Kats. Thoughts?

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Great question. That is a pick'em fight for me just for style purposes. I think Manny hits Casa with a good shot and hurts him but other than that,tough call. I had Joel losing last night by a few (3) points and the fight was Katsidis' fight to lose by being foolish. There are so many great guys in or moving to that division it is hard to say what the best matches will be. Joel should fight his #1 wich is likely Campbell although he hates giving rematches,notoriously. Manny should not get any crap for fighting Diaz who is a very sturdy guy who is naturally a little thicker and will make for some great action in the ring. Not just a cake-walk entrance for Manny but a good,strong intro to lightweight. I thought it hillarious that Casa was calling out only the smaller or old retired guys to fight. What a dill hole. I was so pissed that Katsidis got stupid in there even tho I won money with the under 10.5 round KO. I was ready for a new,willing to fight,true champ to take over.

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I think it would be a great fight. Although when two southpaws fight, you usually find they end up tripping over each other quite a bit.

I think Pac would beat the current Casa quite easily. Pac is much quicker, more accurate and harder punching than Katsidis and he would have capitalized where Kats failed to last night.

Nahh...That time has come and gone...Joel has lost a few steps in his game....now 3 years ago it would have been a good fight....

I wanna see Pac fight DDD first. It's gonna be his first fight at the lightweight. And I think it's fair to say that let's judge Pac's performance first against DDD if he's really comfortable in that weight class.

One thing that bugs me though. Pac will be competing against old guys again. :-\ Both Casa and Campbell are champions, and both defeated the young undefeated JD and Kats. I just hope people would give Pac some credits if he captured their belts.

I can't see why Arum would make this fight, he's not an idiot. Pac most likely wins, even though Casa beat Katsidis and looked better than against Santa Cruz its clear he's slowed down, and say Pac looks impressive fans would say Casa was shot. No win really.

That being said I'm not sure who Pac goes after past the David Diaz fight. Juan's gotta work his way back up, not sure they really want Nate, Casa doesn't make good sense in a risk/reward type deal. Hatton's looking more and more likely really.

Not like I wouldn't mind seeing it as a fan, just realistically I doubt it happens.

I'd love to see pac vs casa but like ouma said it is kinda of a no win for pac. When he wins people will just say casa is past it. I rather see guzman move up to 135 and match up with pac. I would also be interesting if valero will move up. I really think the lightweight is there for the taking now.

Pac
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all can make some noise at 135, while casa and campbell are on the decline I don't see them ruling for long maybe not even a year.

Even though guzman and jmm are "old" or alteast older then pac and valero, Imo they out last both casa and campbell. Unless we are wrong about guzman like how we were wrong about juan diaz. Jmm is a proven elite so Imo the only question for jmm is if he'll be comfortable at 135.

As for valero he too still have some things to prove, will he really be able to hang with the elites or will he be just like juan diaz or rocky jaurez.

David diaz imo is being look pass too much by us, i actually em excited to see pac vs david cause david is kinda old school you never know how well his doing with what his doing, you know?

Pac vs casa will be the cherry on top of all the fights though, it'll be the first elite southpaw vs elite soutpaw. there hasn't been much great southpaw, now we can see two going at it.

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I'd love to see pac vs casa but like ouma said it is kinda of a no win for pac. When he wins people will just say casa is past it. I rather see guzman move up to 135 and match up with pac. I would also be interesting if valero will move up. I really think the lightweight is there for the taking now.

Pac
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all can make some noise at 135, while casa and campbell are on the decline I don't see them ruling for long maybe not even a year.

Even though guzman and jmm are "old" or alteast older then pac and valero, Imo they out last both casa and campbell. Unless we are wrong about guzman like how we were wrong about juan diaz. Jmm is a proven elite so Imo the only question for jmm is if he'll be comfortable at 135.

As for valero he too still have some things to prove, will he really be able to hang with the elites or will he be just like juan diaz or rocky jaurez.

David diaz imo is being look pass too much by us, i actually em excited to see pac vs david cause david is kinda old school you never know how well his doing with what his doing, you know?

Pac vs casa will be the cherry on top of all the fights though, it'll be the first elite southpaw vs elite soutpaw. there hasn't been much great southpaw, now we can see two going at it.

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I have a gut feeling PAC might be fighting both Valero and Guzman later, but definitely in 135 lbs.. Looking at Valero and Guzman's frames I can't believe how they were able to make it at 130 lbs. Framewise(bone structure) they're much bigger than PAC.

Looking back Casamayor "pulled a rabbit out his hat" so to speak.

He should fight campbell next.

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Looking back Casamayor "pulled a rabbit out his hat" so to speak.

He should fight campbell next.

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Casa vs Campbell. The winner will fight the winner of Pac vs Diaz. That's very interesting.:cool:

The good days of boxing in lightweight is back......





Thanks to Pacman.....;D

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Honestly? I don't think there is any 135-lb fighter in the world in boxing or MMA who could beat Pac. Nobody. :cool:

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Fl!p "piss' Flash is this you ........fan boy.

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Honestly? I don't think there is any 135-lb fighter in the world in boxing or MMA who could beat Pac. Nobody. :cool:

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I am not even going to get into the 135lb division with you because your comments are made to just start trouble...But know it all Uriah Faber would beat Pac senseless inside of 2 minutes in an MMA affair

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Honestly? I don't think there is any 135-lb fighter in the world in boxing or MMA who could beat Pac. Nobody. :cool:

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I am not even going to get into the 135lb division with you because your comments are made to just start trouble...But know it all Uriah Faber would beat Pac senseless inside of 2 minutes in an MMA affair

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LOL even Tito Ortiz is a big fan of the PacMonster, stop this already.

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Do you even know who Faber is?...and because Tito is a fan of Pacquiao it means Manny would beat any MMA star he is able to match weight with fairly?.....Tell you what instead of worrying about being a Pcquiao fan maybe Tito should work on his MMA game and get off the losing streak....When was the last elite MMA fighter in their prime he beat cleanly

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LOL Pac loses to all MMA fighters, this PacHating is really getting out of hand.

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Who said to ALL MMA fighters...think I mentioned Faber only...

ANYHOW you are boring me now so I am done with you...

Your dismissed...Peasent...

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Honestly? I don't think there is any 135-lb fighter in the world in boxing or MMA who could beat Pac. Nobody. :cool:

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dude, im a fan of pac but comments like these gets more people to discredit pac and hate us pacfans. just post fair and square man. no need to blow a bubble here. like i said before, anybody who could throw a punch is fair game. and i mean anybody.

on the other hand. why does all the people from 135 expects pac to come to their division so they could get some cash? why not come down to 130? its like trying to invade somebody yet you want them to come to you. i dont get it.

i wouldn't mind seeing it but i don't think it will happen, casa should have a rematch with campbell.

this thread is hot with ragintorent. I am becoming his fan.hehehe.


I can remember my early days in this forum.;D

Just try to be cool sometimes ragin..... I would like you to be here when Pacquaio fights Diaz.:cool:

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LOL Pac loses to all MMA fighters, this PacHating is really getting out of hand.

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Who said to ALL MMA fighters...think I mentioned Faber only...

ANYHOW you are boring me now so I am done with you...

Your dismissed...Peasent...

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It's "peasant". Strike three, you're out. Go get an education you frigging illiterate.;)

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Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha....You are a LOSER...I knoew you would have nothing to say but make a spelling comment.....I can't believe that is all you have is spelling....I will continue to do it because it seems to bother you so much......

Though I would think living at home with your Mother at 45, working Burger King and thinking a great Friday night is catching a glimpse of her naked by walking into the shower mistakenly (AGAIN)...Then running into your room to IM some of your pals on the excitement of it all does not seem to bother you... so why does spilling? or is it spalling?...spelling?...does it matter really?.......Just as long as it bothers you to the point a shotgun ends up in your mouth and we change your name to Art:D