i feel at 175 hopkins hits harder though i haven't seen joe at 175 his hands are brittle which means he can put full power into his shots
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i feel at 175 hopkins hits harder though i haven't seen joe at 175 his hands are brittle which means he can put full power into his shots
Hopkins hits, Calzaghe slaps.
Its no-brainer Hopkins for 100 percent hits harder than Calzaghe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91
I can agree with you on that perspective that Hopkins has a harder punch than Calzaghe,after all Hopkins looks very comfortable at being 175lbs and has been for a while.Dont get me wrong i like Calzaghe,im a good fan of his but he just seems to be lacking in the punch-power department.I meen when was the last time he floored a boxer onto the canvas?It's been sometime i can tell you.Nevertheless a K.O by a punch does'nt always happen in the great sport of boxing"Though it does help a great amount!"but you can win a fight in lots of different methods that im sure you all know about e.g,By out working your opponant to the JAB,Throwing and landing more cleaner punches to impress the judges,Picking your shots from head to body to break down your opponant.These methods alone are a great effective way to win a fight if conducted separately but even greater if there are utilized together which is were my personal view of the Calzaghe Vs Hopkins comes into the it.If Calzaghe still has'nt gained any more punch power after moving up a extra 7lbs then i feel he'll still out work Hopkins to the JAB as well throwing faster combinations from head to body to dominate and win the fight on points.Cant wait to watch it,it should be great.I just hope that Referee Cortez lets the fight progress by not getting in the way of things as i feel he did in the Mayor Mayweather Vs Hatton fight back in december.
Hopkins hits harder, but Calzaghe is relentless. He'll be too much for the old legend.
I think prior to the hand injuries Calzaghe hit harder. He used to terrorise opponents back in the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBIts no-brainer Hopkins for 100 percent hits harder than Calzaghe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91
Now he's more a volume puncher.
You forget Hopkins also used to destroy opponent's back in the day, he actually has one of the fastest KO's in Middleweight history, when he hit his opponent flush majority of the time it would set up the KO in quick time. Where as Calzaghe has never really had brutal KO's like Hopkins had. Majority of Calzaghe's stoppage wins were pounding opponent's against the ropes until basically the ref stepped in. Calzaghe has 2 KO wins i believe where as Hopkins has about 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI think prior to the hand injuries Calzaghe hit harder. He used to terrorise opponents back in the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBIts no-brainer Hopkins for 100 percent hits harder than Calzaghe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91
Now he's more a volume puncher.
Nowadays, I think Joe hits harder. A body punch nearly had Kesller down, something that has never happened to him. People underestimate Joe's power.
Last time Calzaghe floored an opponent was Lacy but that was after about hitting him 900+ times, The other in recent years was in the rematch with glass chinned Mario Veit.Quote:
Originally Posted by yvonne
It was a sharp quick punch which caught Kessler by surprise, you don't have to have good punching power to hurt someone quite badly with a body shot. If you catch someone unexpected like Calzaghe did to Kessler.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Hopkins does hit harder. Calzaghe hasnt been the same since his string of hand injuries. Used to pack a serious knock out punch.
He can still hit hard enough to gain respect when he needs to though and if you hit enough times in the same place the accumulation will eventually begin to tell. Calzaghe did make Kessler reel from that body shot, when pushed he will bite.
Either agree with me or keep it quiet son. I have no time for opinions that don't agree with mine as they are wrong and are therefore not relevent. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBIt was a sharp quick punch which caught Kessler by surprise, you don't have to have good punching power to hurt someone quite badly with a body shot. If you catch someone unexpected like Calzaghe did to Kessler.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
I agree with Ice , he caught Kessler with a sharp punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnEither agree with me or keep it quiet son. I have no time for opinions that don't agree with mine as they are wrong and are therefore not relevent. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBIt was a sharp quick punch which caught Kessler by surprise, you don't have to have good punching power to hurt someone quite badly with a body shot. If you catch someone unexpected like Calzaghe did to Kessler.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Hopkins looked pretty powerful at 175lbs , Calzaghe hasnt even fough there yet , Also Calzaghe doesnt hit with power anymore due to bad hands ,
as for your last statement i presume you were JOKING ? RIGHT ?
As for calling ICE " SON " since when was a 23 year old the daddy of this site ???
How the hell could u not catch sarcasm in that? As for the daddy of this site...well I may not be older, but I'm much wiser ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlI agree with Ice , he caught Kessler with a sharp punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnEither agree with me or keep it quiet son. I have no time for opinions that don't agree with mine as they are wrong and are therefore not relevent. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Hopkins looked pretty powerful at 175lbs , Calzaghe hasnt even fough there yet , Also Calzaghe doesnt hit with power anymore due to bad hands ,
as for your last statement i presume you were JOKING ? RIGHT ?
As for calling ICE " SON " since when was a 23 year old the daddy of this site ???
i would say hopkins hits harder imo.
Hopkins hits harder.
Calzaghe wins by UD though.
Hows the saying go.....Quality over Quantity.
Calzaghe is a hyper volume puncher,great pressure but sometimes less is more.
Hopkins Has evolved from an pressure Attacker with power into a Thinking sharp shooter............Sometimes he thinks Too much though
I'd probably say Joe . He delivers his punch with more speed and ferocity . Hopkins is gonna be mid 40s and Ive never seen him hurt a bigger man ( apart from when he got Tarver off balance .)
Joes hands have let him down but I think the extra weight will make Joe the puncher in this fight
Calzaghe isn't bigger than Hopkins? They're basically the same size, if anything B-Hop is slightly bigger/taller..Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
anyway, Hopkins definitely hits harder, and ICB made all the major points already really.. Calzaghe just has super fast hands that eventually wear you down..
I'd go out and say that PBF lb4lb hits harder than Calzaghe.. so for the 5 or 6 or however many people who voted for Calzaghe, i bet they'd say PBF doesn't have any power.. making all of those voters basically fans for Calzaghe, and voting with their heart as opposed to their head.
Calzaghe knocked down Eubank with a single left hook and Eubank was known for having a good chin. He dropped Mitchel witha left hook en route to stopping him in two rounds . Stopped another former champ in Woodhall these are all pretty big men . Which big men has Hopkins stopped ? All his best wins were over washed up blown up welterweights .Quote:
Originally Posted by RP33Calzaghe isn't bigger than Hopkins? They're basically the same size, if anything B-Hop is slightly bigger/taller..Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
anyway, Hopkins definitely hits harder, and ICB made all the major points already really.. Calzaghe just has super fast hands that eventually wear you down..
I'd go out and say that PBF lb4lb hits harder than Calzaghe.. so for the 5 or 6 or however many people who voted for Calzaghe, i bet they'd say PBF doesn't have any power.. making all of those voters basically fans for Calzaghe, and voting with their heart as opposed to their head.
We'll see whos the bigger puncher when they meet ;) im saying it'll be Joe .
Calzaghe knocked Eubank down yes but thats not the full story is it ?? Eubank was caught cold because he was floored in the first 20 seconds, plus he was moving backwards at the time so Calzaghe caught Eubank with jolting shot and Eubank went down because he was moving backwards at the time, in fact i would compare that to Hatton vs Collazo, Mitchell's chin is decent but his chin isn't good or great by any means, he was knocked down and was hurt many times against Manny Siaca, Woodhall's chin has always known to be very suspect. Just before his fight with Calzaghe he was floored 3 times by light hitting Markus Beyer.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMECalzaghe knocked down Eubank with a single left hook and Eubank was known for having a good chin. He dropped Mitchel witha left hook en route to stopping him in two rounds . Stopped another former champ in Woodhall these are all pretty big men . Which big men has Hopkins stopped ? All his best wins were over washed up blown up welterweights .Quote:
Originally Posted by RP33Calzaghe isn't bigger than Hopkins? They're basically the same size, if anything B-Hop is slightly bigger/taller..Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
anyway, Hopkins definitely hits harder, and ICB made all the major points already really.. Calzaghe just has super fast hands that eventually wear you down..
I'd go out and say that PBF lb4lb hits harder than Calzaghe.. so for the 5 or 6 or however many people who voted for Calzaghe, i bet they'd say PBF doesn't have any power.. making all of those voters basically fans for Calzaghe, and voting with their heart as opposed to their head.
We'll see whos the bigger puncher when they meet ;) im saying it'll be Joe .
Hopkins punchers harder. Calzaghe can't crack. I think Edwin Valero hits harder than Calzaghe
Has Hopkins ever stopped anyone above middleweight? NO
Has Calzaghe ever stopped anyone above middleweight? YES
Now factor in who exactly Hopkins has stopped - which EVERYONE knows is welterweights and substandard middleweight bums. Would Calzaghe have NOT stopped ALL of Hopkins stoppable oppostion? Of course he would. That's obvious.
There you go, that's unquestionable evidence.
Calzaghe DEFINETLY hits harder. Fact.
Hope this helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBCalzaghe knocked Eubank down yes but thats not the full story is it ?? Eubank was caught cold because he was floored in the first 20 seconds, plus he was moving backwards at the time so Calzaghe caught Eubank with jolting shot and Eubank went down because he was moving backwards at the time, in fact i would compare that to Hatton vs Collazo, Mitchell's chin is decent but his chin isn't good or great by any means, he was knocked down and was hurt many times against Manny Siaca, Woodhall's chin has always known to be very suspect. Just before his fight with Calzaghe he was floored 3 times by light hitting Markus Beyer.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMECalzaghe knocked down Eubank with a single left hook and Eubank was known for having a good chin. He dropped Mitchel witha left hook en route to stopping him in two rounds . Stopped another former champ in Woodhall these are all pretty big men . Which big men has Hopkins stopped ? All his best wins were over washed up blown up welterweights .Quote:
Originally Posted by RP33
We'll see whos the bigger puncher when they meet ;) im saying it'll be Joe .
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"I came out of the corner for round one smiling," remembers Eubank.
"I was moving around and sizing up the terrain, when 'Boom!' Calzaghe hit me with a huge shot that literally came out of nowhere and knocked me down.
"A first-round knock-down had never happened to me in my entire career.
"As I picked myself up from the canvas and brushed myself down, I thought to myself: 'You've got your work cut out tonight, guy."
who has Hopkins been knocking out to make you guys rate him as a harder puncher than Calzaghe??
who has he even been busting up??
apart from the transvestite taking his "not exactly oscar winning" dive,when has he last scored a legitimate KO????
your all talking about the weight suiting Hopkins in terms of power.........why???
whats he done at 175? he`s only beaten one 175 pounder,that hapless waster Tarver.
Hopkins is a middleweight cutie.he can punch with some snap but is not concussive at all.
Calzaghe is the more natural light-heavy and therefore i say he`s a bigger puncher.its a natural size thing!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by FensterHope this helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBCalzaghe knocked Eubank down yes but thats not the full story is it ?? Eubank was caught cold because he was floored in the first 20 seconds, plus he was moving backwards at the time so Calzaghe caught Eubank with jolting shot and Eubank went down because he was moving backwards at the time, in fact i would compare that to Hatton vs Collazo, Mitchell's chin is decent but his chin isn't good or great by any means, he was knocked down and was hurt many times against Manny Siaca, Woodhall's chin has always known to be very suspect. Just before his fight with Calzaghe he was floored 3 times by light hitting Markus Beyer.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
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"I came out of the corner for round one smiling," remembers Eubank.
"I was moving around and sizing up the terrain, when 'Boom!' Calzaghe hit me with a huge shot that literally came out of nowhere and knocked me down.
"A first-round knock-down had never happened to me in my entire career.
"As I picked myself up from the canvas and brushed myself down, I thought to myself: 'You've got your work cut out tonight, guy."
Awesome posting,I wasn't sure at first but then I read this response.Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Actually for his size Floyd is a big puncher. Early on in his career he had the reputation of being a pure puncher but obviously his style has evolved as he's moved through the weight classes and his power has reduced relative to the bigger opponents he's facing.Quote:
Originally Posted by RP33Calzaghe isn't bigger than Hopkins? They're basically the same size, if anything B-Hop is slightly bigger/taller..Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
anyway, Hopkins definitely hits harder, and ICB made all the major points already really.. Calzaghe just has super fast hands that eventually wear you down..
I'd go out and say that PBF lb4lb hits harder than Calzaghe.. so for the 5 or 6 or however many people who voted for Calzaghe, i bet they'd say PBF doesn't have any power.. making all of those voters basically fans for Calzaghe, and voting with their heart as opposed to their head.
The same thing happened with James Toney, that guy was a big puncher in the early part of his career but at heavyweight is regarded as a light puncher.
As for Calzahe a few years ago he was renowned as a knockout puncher, he'd breeze through guys. Now after years of hand injuries and also through being weak at the weight his punch power has reduced.
You have to remember that Joe was fighting at 168 lbs at 20 years old. Now at 35 his body composition will not be as good as you lose muscle mass and gain fat for every decade of your life past 18. At 175 I feel he will be renewed.
As for Hopkins I can't recall him ever KO'ing a legitimate 160lb contender let alone a 175 lb one.
In my opinion comparing the punch power of these two is like comparing the top speed of two tractors. It's largely irrlelevent as that isn't what their game is about.
That just proves my point "It came out of nowhere" basically meaning he wasn't expecting it and it caught him by surprise. Eubank was caught on the back foot and he was caught cold because it was in the first 20 seconds of the fight. It was a good shot but it was nothing more than a jolting shot. Eubank laughed when he got up it was just the speed of the shot that shocked Eubank, because if i remember right Eubank charged at Calzaghe and they clinched for a second, then Calzaghe launched a left hand right out of the clinch while Eubank was moving backwards so Eubank's balance was not good at the time. Eubank was also floored by Steve Collins and Collins was not a big puncher either you don't have to be a big puncher if you catch someone by surprise and on the back foot or etc you can even floor iron chinned fighters like Eubank.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHope this helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBCalzaghe knocked Eubank down yes but thats not the full story is it ?? Eubank was caught cold because he was floored in the first 20 seconds, plus he was moving backwards at the time so Calzaghe caught Eubank with jolting shot and Eubank went down because he was moving backwards at the time, in fact i would compare that to Hatton vs Collazo, Mitchell's chin is decent but his chin isn't good or great by any means, he was knocked down and was hurt many times against Manny Siaca, Woodhall's chin has always known to be very suspect. Just before his fight with Calzaghe he was floored 3 times by light hitting Markus Beyer.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
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"I came out of the corner for round one smiling," remembers Eubank.
"I was moving around and sizing up the terrain, when 'Boom!' Calzaghe hit me with a huge shot that literally came out of nowhere and knocked me down.
"A first-round knock-down had never happened to me in my entire career.
"As I picked myself up from the canvas and brushed myself down, I thought to myself: 'You've got your work cut out tonight, guy."
Yes but doesn't that work both ways Fenster ?? don't you think that all of Calzaghe's stoppage wins that Hopkins couldn't of stopped them all either ?? like Mario Veit, Richie Woodhall, Branko Sobot, etc ??.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Hopkins has stopped good fighters like Glen Johnson, Autwun Echols, John David Jackson, etc. Your evidence has major flaws and its ridiculous has Calzaghe stopped anyone above Middleweight ?? well of course he has because his entire 44 pro fight career has been above Middleweight otherwise he would have a record of 44 wins and 0 KO's if he didn't have any stoppage wins above Middleweight thats stupid logic. And Hopkins has only had 2 fights above Middleweight and they were against good fighters like Antonio Tarver in which Hopkins was a big underdog, and against Winky Wright, in which both fighters have never been stopped. Unless you mean something different then explain because i don't understand that logic at all unless your being sarcastic.
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Originally Posted by barrykil1980
I wouldn't exactly say what Hopkins had to do to stay at middleweight was "natural". A middleweight cutie? please.
Punch for Punch, I would say Hopkins has more oomff to them. Calzaghe makes up for it by throwing and landing so much more.
You don't need to be a big puncher to f*ck someone up. The human body is frail in the big scheme of things.
Fantastic post Fenster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
You backed everything up with Facts. I'm sold !
Anyone who still thinks Hopkins hits harder than Joe will have to tune in when they meet to be proved wrong .
Very hard to argue with that logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Lol, you serious? Cause he wasn't....Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEFantastic post Fenster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
You backed everything up with Facts. I'm sold !
Anyone who still thinks Hopkins hits harder than Joe will have to tune in when they meet to be proved wrong .
nither has ever really been a big one punch k.o hitter......... in there earlier days they both were considered powerfull, but once they went up to title level they didnt have as much effect in the k.o world. hopkins no longer lays it on the line, he chooses to save his stamina and joes hand injury's stop him from really letting it go
but overall i'd say hopkins was slightly the harder hitter
Are you taking the piss? That describes 99.9% of knockdowns :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBThat just proves my point "It came out of nowhere" basically meaning he wasn't expecting it and it caught him by surprise. Eubank was caught on the back foot and he was caught cold because it was in the first 20 seconds of the fight. It was a good shot but it was nothing more than a jolting shot. Eubank laughed when he got up it was just the speed of the shot that shocked Eubank, because if i remember right Eubank charged at Calzaghe and they clinched for a second, then Calzaghe launched a left hand right out of the clinch while Eubank was moving backwards so Eubank's balance was not good at the time. Eubank was also floored by Steve Collins and Collins was not a big puncher either you don't have to be a big puncher if you catch someone by surprise and on the back foot or etc you can even floor iron chinned fighters like Eubank.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHope this helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
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"I came out of the corner for round one smiling," remembers Eubank.
"I was moving around and sizing up the terrain, when 'Boom!' Calzaghe hit me with a huge shot that literally came out of nowhere and knocked me down.
"A first-round knock-down had never happened to me in my entire career.
"As I picked myself up from the canvas and brushed myself down, I thought to myself: 'You've got your work cut out tonight, guy."
anyway.. first it was the same as Hatton-Collazo (ridiculous), now you want to compare it to Collins-Eubank?
Collins barely, if at all, touched him.
It was clear Eubank toppled back off balance from a glancing (at best) bodyshot that wouldn't have floored a granny holding a walking frame.
Now, this highlights how wrong you are about Calzaghe's knockdown of Eubank. When Eubank gets up from Collins "knockdown" what does he do? Shocked at seeing the ref start counting he starts shouting "SLIP!" "SLIP!" "SLIP!" as opposed to describing Calzaghe's knockdown as "BOOM!" "HE HIT ME WITH A HUGE SHOT" "HE KNOCKED ME DOWN"
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Did i say that describes 99.9 percent of knockdowns ?? tell me where i mentioned that in any of my posts ?? im saying that Eubank was caught on the back foot which is a fact, it caught him by surprise which is a fact. He was caught very early in the fight like the first 20 seconds so he was caught cold which is a fact. Fenster do you read any of anyone's posts ?? it seems like you just highlight over some posts and don't take any notice of most of it. Tell me where i compared Eubank vs Collins to Eubank vs Calzaghe ?? What i was saying if you actually read my post properly was that even fighters who haven't got a big punch can knockdown iron chinned fighters if that iron chinned fighter is off balance or etc. Hatton vs Collazo and Calzaghe vs Eubank are very similar because both Collazo and Eubank were on the back foot at the time so there balance was not good, and they were both caught in the first 20 seconds of the fight so they were caught cold. They were both caught with good shots but it was nothing more than a jolting shot. Eubank laughed when he got up, plus he was up immediately it just shocked him thats it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterAre you taking the piss? That describes 99.9% of knockdowns :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBThat just proves my point "It came out of nowhere" basically meaning he wasn't expecting it and it caught him by surprise. Eubank was caught on the back foot and he was caught cold because it was in the first 20 seconds of the fight. It was a good shot but it was nothing more than a jolting shot. Eubank laughed when he got up it was just the speed of the shot that shocked Eubank, because if i remember right Eubank charged at Calzaghe and they clinched for a second, then Calzaghe launched a left hand right out of the clinch while Eubank was moving backwards so Eubank's balance was not good at the time. Eubank was also floored by Steve Collins and Collins was not a big puncher either you don't have to be a big puncher if you catch someone by surprise and on the back foot or etc you can even floor iron chinned fighters like Eubank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
anyway.. first it was the same as Hatton-Collazo (ridiculous), now you want to compare it to Collins-Eubank?
Collins barely, if at all, touched him.
It was clear Eubank toppled back off balance from a glancing (at best) bodyshot that wouldn't have floored a granny holding a walking frame.
Now, this highlights how wrong you are about Calzaghe's knockdown of Eubank. When Eubank gets up from Collins "knockdown" what does he do? Shocked at seeing the ref start counting he starts shouting "SLIP!" "SLIP!" "SLIP!" as opposed to describing Calzaghe's knockdown as "BOOM!" "HE HIT ME WITH A HUGE SHOT" "HE KNOCKED ME DOWN"
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Anyway i don't really care that fight happened like 11 years ago im not going to keep debating over if Calzaghe was or was not big puncher than Hopkins, all that matters is who wins on April 19th.
Hmm.. You seem to be getting a little befuddled Icey.
I proved Calzaghe is the harder hitter. It's a fact. Fact.
OK we'll leave it at that
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At this stage of their career neither are particularly devastating.
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Fair point that one.