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I want to make a list of all the upsets that have taken place this year,there's been so many and I just want to keep track so please feel free to contribute. From the top of my head:
Diaz losing to Campbell
Cas stopping Kats
Quintana w PW
Andy Lee getting stopped(wasn't he supposed to beat Pavlik :p )
Garcia losing to Lock
Can you guys remember anymore?Thanks.
How in the world was Casamayor beating Katsidis an upset?
It was an absurdity that he was considered a betting favourite considering the only recognisable name on his resume was the mediocre and light punching Graham Earl a man with whom he went life and death.
Casa has a whose who of the lightweight division on his resume and is one of the craftiest, slickest fighters in the game. One bad performance and everyone gets on the Kats bandwagon just like they did the Miranda one.
I was suprised by how close the Casa fight was, I expected Katsidis to get schooled but he did better than I thought.
He should never have been the betting favourite though.
Nearly always when a big punching brawler goes up against a slick crafty boxer the bookies and everyone else seems to think the puncher will steamroller him.
Yet as history shows 8 times out of 10 its the puncher who gets knocked out.
When will people learn? :)
Kevin Anderson losing to McIntyre again.
Vela over De La Rosa
Bundrage over Ouma
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Oh yeah definitely K9 that was a shock, De La Rosa is a bum though, he got stopped by another journeyman with a losing record last year.
I have to agree with bilbo here and say that in no way was Casamayor's Victory over Katsidis an upset.
anyways...
how about
Kassim Ouma just lost to K-9 Bundrage
Although Verno Phillips just beat Corey spinks and Phillips is a good fighter that might be considered an upset
You mentioned Andy Lee losing to Vera
Diaz loosing to Cambell
Also rising star Kiko Martinez 17-0 (14 ko's) lost to unknown Rendall Munroe
Roman Karmazin lost a title to Alex Bunema
i think thats it for now....
Verno Philips beats Cory Spinks
Cristobal Cruz beats Mashaba
Jauregui beats Huerta
Ulrich loses to Barashian
Roman over Ouma
Carlos Quintana beating Paul Williams
Nate Campbell beating Juan Diaz
Cornelius Bundrage beating Kassim Ouma
Alex Bunema beating Roman Karmazin
Brian Vera beating Andy Lee
Verno Phillips beating Cory Spinks
Think most have been nailed. On a smaller note how about oldy and Inactive Reggie Johnson W.12 Top ten Ranked Julio Gonzalez . Though Ive heard the decision was Bad ???.....
Carlos over Williams
Nate over Diaz
Cruz over Mashaba
Vera over Lee
K9 over Ouma
Philips over Spinks
Bunema over Roman
Barashian over Ulrich
Lesser known fighters and prospects:
Lock over Garcia
McIntyre over Kevin II
Munroe over Kiko
Wayne over Yoan
Cintron over Arias
Zuniga over De Leon Jr.
Oh yeah and who can forget Corrie Sanders being sparked in the first round by some African goat herder :LOLATYOU:
Pretty much all have been named though a couple others.
Matt Godfrey fell to Rudolf Kraj in Germany. Apparently Kraj is pretty good but still, Godfrew was regarded as one of the better prospects. He was Teddy Atlas' favorite.
Wayne Braithwaite KO'd Cuban Olympian Joan Pablo Hernandez today. That is certainly an upset although Braithwaite imo, has always been very dangerous.
Good call on the Matt loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Oh ok my badI thought most chose Kats to beat Casamayor judging by how bad Cas looked v Santa Cruz. I think it was still a shock that Cas stopped him.Some nice calls there,amazing to see THAT many upsets by March alone??! Cotto and Margarito better be ready!:mad:
Wow, a few I didn't know about there..K9 over Ouma..wow! The contenders seem to be hanging pretty well with the big boys these days.
I woulnd't say the Godfrey fight was an upset. He wasn't even the betting favourite here in Europe. Kraj fighting at home was odds on to win unless Godfrey knocked him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Nah many people thought Casamayor would come in fired up and interested for Katsidis fight unlike he was in Cruz fight. I was one of those people but sorry i have quickly pull Bilbo up on something.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Bilbo you said Katsidis went life and death with Graham Earl are you kidding me mate ?? except for the flash knockdown in the 2nd round Katsidis gave Earl a one sided beating and Earl would only show flashes of offense.
Ice his legs completely went. If he was in there with anyone other than Graham Earl he'd would have got sparked after knockdown. It's only becuase Earl was a light hitter and was on the verge of being knocked out himself that he couldn't capitalise.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBNah many people thought Casamayor would come in fired up and interested for Katsidis fight unlike he was in Cruz fight. I was one of those people but sorry i have quickly pull Bilbo up on something.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Bilbo you said Katsidis went life and death with Graham Earl are you kidding me mate ?? except for the flash knockdown in the 2nd round Katsidis gave Earl a one sided beating and Earl would only show flashes of offense.
I'm sorry but anyone who gets almost KTFO by Graham Earl should never have been a betting favourite against Casamayor.
He only confirmed that further with his life and death (even you'll agree on this one) struggle with Czaar Amonsat, a complete unknown who took him to the brink.
And the funny thing is I stil think Casa is largely done, it's just Katsidis is a club fighter with a big heart and a good stamina.
He'll lose to any of the top 5 at lightweight, even David Diaz Ko's him imo.
Agree there, Katsidis' legs don't hold up very well at all when he gets tagged.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboIce his legs completely went. If he was in there with anyone other than Graham Earl he'd would have got sparked after knockdown. It's only becuase Earl was a light hitter and was on the verge of being knocked out himself that he couldn't capitalise..Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBNah many people thought Casamayor would come in fired up and interested for Katsidis fight unlike he was in Cruz fight. I was one of those people but sorry i have quickly pull Bilbo up on something.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Bilbo you said Katsidis went life and death with Graham Earl are you kidding me mate ?? except for the flash knockdown in the 2nd round Katsidis gave Earl a one sided beating and Earl would only show flashes of offense.
Martinez vs. Munroe was a big surprise.
Kerry Hope being sparked by Matthew Hall. Hope was seen as a major prospect, but got knocked out by a guy Martin Conception destroyed in 1.
This was on the Rees undercard.
Herrera over Williams. :D (sorry amat)
Bradley over Witter.
Choi over Derry Matthews.
Lopez over Mike Oliver.
Miranda over Omar Salado.
Forrest loosing to Mora
DPDL loosing to JuanMa
Powell loosing to Lattimore
Sidorenko loosing to Moreno
Trying to think of them all off the top of my head....not possible theres too many, and we are only in June. This is truely the year of the Upset. We should try and compile all of them into a list. Im at work but will add some later when I'm home.
Espadas Jr over Matsuda
Malinga over Sahaprom
Diaz loosing to Nate
Paul loosing to Quintana
Lee loosing to Vera
Garcia loosing to Lock
Anderson loosing to McIntyre II
Ouma loosing to Bundrage
Spinks loosing to Philips
Kiko loosing to Rendall
Karmazin loosing to Bunema
Mashaba loosing to Cruz
Ulrich loosing to Barashian
Yoan loosing to Wayne
De Leon Jr. loosing to Zuniga
Hope loosing to Hall
Oliver loosing to Lopez
Aaron loosing to Herrera
Witter loosing to Bradley
Matthews loosing to Choi
Salado loosing to Miranda
Forrest loosing to Mora
Powell loosing to Lattimore
DPDL loosing to JuanMa
Sidorenko loosing to Moreno
Matsuda loosing to Espadas Jr.
-The highlighted fights were Title fights.
*No! The Cruz-Mashaba was not for a title.... IBO :beat:
Just go back over the WNF and FNF lol
Deandre Latimore over Sechew Powell
Reynaldo Lopez over Mike Oliver
Gabriel Rosado over James Moore
Jose Luis Herrera over Aaron Williams
Shaun George over Chris Byrd (This is debatable)
The Williams fight was an upset but his chin was always a liability even in his amateur daysQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
What about Koba Gogoladze, (Although I never really rated him seeing him lose out badly to Alex Arthur) he signed the big deal with Golden Boy made his way over to the States only to be brutally KO'ed in the 1st round of Golden Boy debut by a 13-5 Ji Hoo Kim, who had never fought outside Asia and never beaten anyone.
Must have been egg on a few faces I think..
I think so, Gogoladze has a weird style & looked to be on the verge of a stoppage himself until he got splatteredQuote:
Originally Posted by jmbtandy
Condes loosing to Garcia
Its surprising to me that when I think about it I think Bunema beating Karmazin surprised me more than anything. Some fights that are being thought of by some as upsets weren't even really upsets to me, Casa over Kats, JuanMa over Ponce, Yoan losing to Braithwaite, etc., some were prospects losing fights and you can never be too surprised at what happens to a relatively untested prospect, and some guys were upset by solid pros, Spinks-Phillips, Diaz-Campbell, Williams-Quintana, those all to some degree surprised me but all three winners are solid guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Its not that I was so surprised that Karmazin lost because I thought he was just that great, I thought he was one of the top 154 pounders but not a P4P type guy by any means, its just that I thought so little of Alex Bunema his whole career. I just never thought he was a very good fighter. And to knock Karmazin out, that really surprised me. That was a Sturm-Castilliejo type surprise to me.
Diaz loosing to Nate
Paul loosing to Quintana
Lee loosing to Vera
Garcia loosing to Lock
Anderson loosing to McIntyre II
Ouma loosing to Bundrage
Spinks loosing to Philips
Kiko loosing to Rendall
Karmazin loosing to Bunema
Mashaba loosing to Cruz
Ulrich loosing to Barashian
Yoan loosing to Wayne
De Leon Jr. loosing to Zuniga
Hope loosing to Hall
Oliver loosing to Lopez
Aaron loosing to Herrera
Witter loosing to Bradley
Matthews loosing to Choi
Salado loosing to Miranda
Forrest loosing to Mora
Powell loosing to Lattimore
DPDL loosing to JuanMa
Sidorenko loosing to Moreno
Matsuda loosing to Espadas Jr.
Fields loosing to Barret
Alcine loosing to Santos
-The highlighted fights were Title fights.
*No! The Cruz-Mashaba was not for a title.... IBO
The upsets keep piling up...
Juanma over Ponce was an upset to many. Not to me though
This was no upset IMO. It was a suprise he KOed him in one though. This is the same for Williams - Quintana that same night. I'm sitting in my sofa waiting to see two good puertorrican fighters. I never expected to see two 1st round KOs.Quote:
Originally Posted by yenks