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Just noticed that BHOP will be fighting his 5th top line fight in a row against Joe C.
Taylor
Taylor
Tarver
Wright
Calzaghe.
Is this the best quality of opponent for 5 fights in a row that a recent fighter has faced?
Taylor himself went
Hopkins
Hopkins
Wright
Spinks
Pavlik
Or Rapha Marquez
Mabuza x 2
Vasquez x 3
Anyone else i've missed who has had 5 in a row tougher?
Cotto has had nothing but tough opponents going back to Malignaggi. Malignaggi, Quintana, Urkal (who gave a good fight), Judah and Mosley is pretty impressive.
Hopkins has probably had the toughest run though.
Yeah it was a good run by Cotto but i can think of many others who have had a similiar run.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Not to start a PBF v Cotto thread but i believe
Judah, Baldomir, ODLH, Hatton, ODLH is just as tough as Cotto's run.
DLH went
Mosely
Sturm
Hopkins
Mayorga
Mayweather.
Not too bad
Trinidad went
De La Hoya
Reid
Thiam
Vargas
Joppy
Hopkins
and they were all champions, I don't think anything beats that run
I dont think that run beats any of the others i named. 2 greats in DLH and Hopkins. 1 good champ in Vargas, 3 also rans in Joppy, Thiam and Reid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bookkeeper
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Originally Posted by eagleI dont think that run beats any of the others i named. 2 greats in DLH and Hopkins. 1 good champ in Vargas, 3 also rans in Joppy, Thiam and Reid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bookkeeper
I think your opinion is more based on hindsight than it was at the time, DLH was the biggest fight of the decade, Reid and Vargas were the next big thing's and should have never been thrown in there with Tito, nevertheless they were champions and were never the same after their fight with Tito, Thiam was a lower case champion ( non major ) but he was no journeyman, many thought Joppy was the best MW in the world, and we all know about Hopkins. The funny thing about your post is that Hopkins is one of your greats and rightfully so, but if Trinidad would have knocked him out in that fight he would not have been a great, when you look at it that way Joppy, Vargas, Reid would have been greats if they would have beaten Tito. He took on the best competition that was around at the time, and since he ruined them people look back in hindsight and say those guy's werent greats, but that's not the tune they were singing at the time.
Surely first prize must go to Anthony 'The Man' Mundine...
Rueben Eduardo Acosta
Sam Soliman
Pablo Daniel Zamora Nievas
Jose Alberto Clavero
Nader Hamden
You're right there buddy. Maybe he should get a medal for services to boxing. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Greig
Barerra fought:
Erik Morales
Johnny Tapia
Kevin Kelly
Pacman
Paulie Ayala..
..and then Morales again
The point is BHOPs last 5 fights were against proven top fighters. Reid Thiam and Joppy were potentially great fighters but as u say in hindsight were found to be not that great.Quote:
Originally Posted by BookkeeperQuote:
Originally Posted by eagleI dont think that run beats any of the others i named. 2 greats in DLH and Hopkins. 1 good champ in Vargas, 3 also rans in Joppy, Thiam and Reid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bookkeeper
I think your opinion is more based on hindsight than it was at the time, DLH was the biggest fight of the decade, Reid and Vargas were the next big thing's and should have never been thrown in there with Tito, nevertheless they were champions and were never the same after their fight with Tito, Thiam was a lower case champion ( non major ) but he was no journeyman, many thought Joppy was the best MW in the world, and we all know about Hopkins. The funny thing about your post is that Hopkins is one of your greats and rightfully so, but if Trinidad would have knocked him out in that fight he would not have been a great, when you look at it that way Joppy, Vargas, Reid would have been greats if they would have beaten Tito. He took on the best competition that was around at the time, and since he ruined them people look back in hindsight and say those guy's werent greats, but that's not the tune they were singing at the time.
As for saying BHOP wouldnt have been great IF Tito had KO'd him, what a silly argument, the point is Nard Ko'd Tito and the rest is history. No ifs there.
Agree with Eagle on Hopkins,..........How about Winky wrights last 5
Hopkins
Quartey
J.Taylor
Soliman
Trinidad........(far from hard I know). Throw in 2 back to backs with Mosley before those 5.
Gotta agree. Forgot about Winky. All those are great fighters except maybe Soliman, who if nothing else is awkward as fwock!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
From the span of September 99 to September of 01 Trinidad fought 6 champions strait in a two year span, three in which never tasted defeat, and two against MW champs that were naturally bigger than him. And you don't find that impressive, PUZZLING. Add on top of that the fights took place in three different weight divisions. Eagle we know one thing for certain your no Trinidad fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleThe point is BHOPs last 5 fights were against proven top fighters. Reid Thiam and Joppy were potentially great fighters but as u say in hindsight were found to be not that great.Quote:
Originally Posted by BookkeeperQuote:
Originally Posted by eagle
I think your opinion is more based on hindsight than it was at the time, DLH was the biggest fight of the decade, Reid and Vargas were the next big thing's and should have never been thrown in there with Tito, nevertheless they were champions and were never the same after their fight with Tito, Thiam was a lower case champion ( non major ) but he was no journeyman, many thought Joppy was the best MW in the world, and we all know about Hopkins. The funny thing about your post is that Hopkins is one of your greats and rightfully so, but if Trinidad would have knocked him out in that fight he would not have been a great, when you look at it that way Joppy, Vargas, Reid would have been greats if they would have beaten Tito. He took on the best competition that was around at the time, and since he ruined them people look back in hindsight and say those guy's werent greats, but that's not the tune they were singing at the time.
As for saying BHOP wouldnt have been great IF Tito had KO'd him, what a silly argument, the point is Nard Ko'd Tito and the rest is history. No ifs there.
P.S Ohh and just for the record I gave you SIX fights and not FIVE, hopefully this will hold even more weight than what I have already said
You have (far from hard I know) next too Trinidad but nothing next too Soliman and Quartey, I love SaddoboxingQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Yes Tito fought 6 champions but not of the quality of the fighters Bhop fought and is fighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by BookkeeperFrom the span of September 99 to September of 01 Trinidad fought 6 champions strait in a two year span, three in which never tasted defeat, and two against MW champs that were naturally bigger than him. And you don't find that impressive, PUZZLING. Add on top of that the fights took place in three different weight divisions. Eagle we know one thing for certain your no Trinidad fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleThe point is BHOPs last 5 fights were against proven top fighters. Reid Thiam and Joppy were potentially great fighters but as u say in hindsight were found to be not that great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bookkeeper
As for saying BHOP wouldnt have been great IF Tito had KO'd him, what a silly argument, the point is Nard Ko'd Tito and the rest is history. No ifs there.
P.S Ohh and just for the record I gave you SIX fights and not FIVE, hopefully this will hold even more weight than what I have already said
Being a champ does not necessarily mean u are great (Gavin Rees was an undefeated champ)!!!
Hopkins has fought.
Taylor x 2( Big middleweight who was the first to beat BHOP in 20 defenses. Taylor much better than Joppy, Thiam or Reid).
Tarver(BHOP moved up 15 pounds to fight the guy who beat Roy Jones and schooled him).
Wright (P4P top 5 guy who had come off wins v Mosely, Trinidad a draw with Taylor).
Now Calzaghe who is an undefeated undisputed smw champ!!!
That is more impressive then the fights trinidad fought!
To say i'm not a Tito fan is ludicrous. I loved watchin Tito fight and supported him in big fights against DLH, Vargas and shock horro Hopkins. The truth is tho that Bhops last 5 fights are against better opposition than those 6 fights u mntioned of Tito.
Trinidad fight was not as tough as Soliman fight,No way!I love Saddoboxing as well :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by BookkeeperYou have (far from hard I know) next too Trinidad but nothing next too Soliman and Quartey, I love SaddoboxingQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Nice one Greig. That should strengthen Anthony's P4P claims. What an incredible list of fighters. And don't forget he's fighting the mighty King Soliman a second time. Very brave so that would make it 6 in a row. I challenge anyone to beat that. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Greig
What do you Aussies think of Soliman ?? he sounds an ok guy outside the ring but i can't stand him inside the ring, as i have said many times his style reminds me of a drunk monkey terrible to watch. And actually this will be the 3rd time Mundine has fought Soliman, he fought him back in 2001 when Soliman lost a close decision, then Soliman got embarrassed back in 2007 as we all know, now this will be the 3rd time he has fought him. This will go under one of the most pointless fights in the history of boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerskNice one Greig. That should strengthen Anthony's P4P claims. What an incredible list of fighters. And don't forget he's fighting the mighty King Soliman a second time. Very brave so that would make it 6 in a row. I challenge anyone to beat that. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Greig
and i bet bhop has made a shit load of cash from all of them!
I think they both, Bernard and JOe, have had some hard fights lately
The two most trying fights I've seen Joe in except maybe against Reid were against Kessler and Bika. Against Lacy he had to fight at a really high pace, and he had an injured left hand, that fight couldn't have been easy even though in terms of boxing it was.
Bernard hasn't really had a physically challenging fight where he has really taken any sort of punishment that Calzaghe did against Bika or Kessler. It has been forever since I've seen somebody consistently land hard shots on B-Hop. For Hopkins I think him fighting at such a high level will definitely help for against Calzaghe, but don't take his figh with Wright who is a fast high paced southpaw to indicate what will happen against Calzaghe, Remember that Lacy was sparring with Wright before he fought Joe.
Mayorga:
Trinidad
Piccirillo
De La Hoya
Vargas
Cotto
hattons last 6 arnt to bad if you look closely
kostya - recognised p4p number 1
masuusa - champ, but nothing to great
collazo - again a champion
urango - a champion
castillo - former p4p top 10
mayweather - p4p number one
its nothing on b hops, speshly if you look at his last 5 ( MINUS tyszu)
but still not bad at all...
judahs last 5 are very good aswell lmao, only he lost most of them!
Yes I stand corrected this will be the third time wont it. O dear.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBWhat do you Aussies think of Soliman ?? he sounds an ok guy outside the ring but i can't stand him inside the ring, as i have said many times his style reminds me of a drunk monkey terrible to watch. And actually this will be the 3rd time Mundine has fought Soliman, he fought him back in 2001 when Soliman lost a close decision, then Soliman got embarrassed back in 2007 as we all know, now this will be the 3rd time he has fought him. This will go under one of the most pointless fights in the history of boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerskNice one Greig. That should strengthen Anthony's P4P claims. What an incredible list of fighters. And don't forget he's fighting the mighty King Soliman a second time. Very brave so that would make it 6 in a row. I challenge anyone to beat that. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Greig
To answer your question Sam seems to be a genuine guy now. He used to come across as a bit of a big mouth which doesn't go down too well here but he's either settled or it could just be that Anthony "The Mouth" Mundine makes him seem subdued. He sure has an awkward style which is hard to appreciate. He is well regarded by boxing and sports fans i think.
I think Sam is well regarded too. Sam is always fit, fights anyone anywhere, is usualyy competitive, and never gives up. Its pity some fighters with a tad more skill dont share his attitude a little more. I think u cannot deny the fact that he has gone as far as his limited ability could go, and u gotta respect that.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerskYes I stand corrected this will be the third time wont it. O dear.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBWhat do you Aussies think of Soliman ?? he sounds an ok guy outside the ring but i can't stand him inside the ring, as i have said many times his style reminds me of a drunk monkey terrible to watch. And actually this will be the 3rd time Mundine has fought Soliman, he fought him back in 2001 when Soliman lost a close decision, then Soliman got embarrassed back in 2007 as we all know, now this will be the 3rd time he has fought him. This will go under one of the most pointless fights in the history of boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikersk
To answer your question Sam seems to be a genuine guy now. He used to come across as a bit of a big mouth which doesn't go down too well here but he's either settled or it could just be that Anthony "The Mouth" Mundine makes him seem subdued. He sure has an awkward style which is hard to appreciate. He is well regarded by boxing and sports fans i think.
Antonio Tarver went:
Harding #2 LH
Griffin #4 LH
Jones Jr Champ LH
Jones Jr Champ LH
Johnson #1 LH
Johnson Champ LH
Jones Jr #3 LH
Hopkins #1 M
Thats pretty impressive
As much as I hate to admit it,That is pretty solid stretch.Just rewatched the 2nd Harding fight thursday....That had to be the most brutal showing by Tarver.He was berating and yelling at the ref..."you trying to get someone killed,whats wrong with you man??"Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Yeah bro totally dominated Harding. My biggest problem with Tarver besides his ego is his consistency. If he performed like that every time out he could talk any way he wanted IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsAs much as I hate to admit it,That is pretty solid stretch.Just rewatched the 2nd Harding fight thursday....That had to be the most brutal showing by Tarver.He was berating and yelling at the ref..."you trying to get someone killed,whats wrong with you man??"Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Urkal was crap. He was fighting out his best weightQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
Damn bookkeeper comes back for a day and already I'm wishing he'll fuck off back to wherever he's been these past few months.
Is there a more irritating poster on all of saddos?
Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Eric Lucas
Markus Beyer
Librado Andrade
Joe Calzaghe
Cotto? He definitely did not fight Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
at the time he was scheduled to fight himQuote:
Originally Posted by caleoh12Cotto? He definitely did not fight Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
Michael MoorerQuote:
Originally Posted by eagle
Shelby Gross
Roderick Willis
Rich Boruff
Sedrick Fields
Cliff Couser
;D;D
Counting his upcoming fight Sam peter will have:
Toney x2
McCline
Maskeav
Vitalli
Carlos Quintana has one gimmie but a pretty solid run:
Julio
Cotto
Chris Henry
Williams x2
Not as good as the ones named but...okay.
Antonio Margarito's last few opponents have been top quality except for Golden Johnson.
Joshua Clottey
Paul Williams
Golden Johnson
Kermit Cintron
Miguel Cotto
Or how about Juan Manuel Marquez
Jimrex Jaca
MAB
Rocky Juarez
Manny Pacquiao
Joel Casamayor
To be honest i think Marquez takes this one that is a pretty impressive list of fighters, and especially since all of those fights were tough except for maybe the Juarez fight, but the fight still went 12 rounds and although he outboxed Juarez. He had to work hard in some parts of the fight.
Filipino Roger Monserto (0-6)
Medgen Sinsurat 55-5
Chatchai Sasakul 60-3
Ratnchaie Sor Vorapin 69-9
Medgoen Singsurat 45-4
Medgoen Singsurat 42-4
He fought Sod Looknongyangtoy, 36-2, in his last fight.
Quartey wasn't hard. Hell, he might have been able to KO him had he pushed a little harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
kendall holt has been some tough ones
ricardo torres
ben tackie
ricardo torres
mike arnaoutis
isaac hlatswayo imo most underated boxer
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Originally Posted by KillfaceQuartey wasn't hard. Hell, he might have been able to KO him had he pushed a little harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Quartey being such an easy fight I think is testament to how good Winky was.
Quartey was always underrated, and was robbed in the recent past of the Forrest fight......he still has a top notch jab and is a solid opponent.
Agreed but still Ike Quartey was too small for Winky Wright, just like Ike Quartey was too small for Fernando Vargas at Jr Middleweight. He couldn't impose his will/power like he could at Welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerAgreed but still Ike Quartey was too small for Winky Wright, just like Ike Quartey was too small for Fernando Vargas at Jr Middleweight. Ike Quartey could impose his power much better at Welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceQuartey wasn't hard. Hell, he might have been able to KO him had he pushed a little harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Quartey being such an easy fight I think is testament to how good Winky was.
Quartey was always underrated, and was robbed in the recent past of the Forrest fight......he still has a top notch jab and is a solid opponent.