awful refereeing

i was very shocked to watch itvs coverage , the derry and choi fight in particular was sad, not shocked that he got a pasting but the referee involved was absolutely awful , he tried every which way he could to help him , im suprised there is not many other british viewers making this point , we cannot complain about americans and german referees when our own bunch are an absloute disgrace, i also saw a thread on which micky van is retiring and wether he should , omg thank god he is he is jsut as bad as the referee who helped derry , but well done choi nothing was going to stop him, :mad:

I think Micky Vann does really good work.

You gotta love him for the work he did on the Katsidis-Earl fight. I mean he let those 2 go at it and throwing the towel out as Earl levels Kats was something amazing.

I've seen some good & bad refferring overtime here's some that I can think of:

Bad

- Frank Capuccino: For Hopkins vs. Hakkar, horrible performance by Frank whom I geniunely like but that was one night I'm sure he'd like to forget. He completely lost control of the fight. If memory serves me right Lamps & Big George were laughing and making jokes during this fight.

- Lawrence Cole: For JMM vs. Jaca, what the hell was he thinking telling JMM "You don't need to continue fighting your ahead on the judges scorecards" like Cole knew how the judges were scoring the fight. He did this after the 3rd headbutt that caused a cut on JMM forehead.


- Mitch Halper (RIP): For letting Liles vs. Littles II get out of hand that way. He should have deducted points from the get go. Then again the KO wouldn't have been as spectacular as it was wouldn't not have been for Littles tough guy act that he displaying that night.

- Both Jay Nady & Joe Cortez: For bad refferring and not deducting points for ilegal tactics. Nady in the RJJ vs. Ruiz fight for the multiple holding warnings and never doing anything about it. Cortez for PBF vs. Hatton again for multiple warnings and not doing anything about it.

The ref was Dave Parris

And yes, had the fight been the other way round (Choi getting battered) I bet it would have been stopped after the first knockdown.

Also Derry must have broken Floyd Mayweather's record for turning his back.

I still cannot get that phrase out of my head from Cotez on PBF-Hatton.

Cortez to Hatton: "When he (Mayweather) goes down don't hit him" :o :o

What a fuckin joke, Jay Nady is a shit ref too.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Lawrence Cole: For JMM vs. Jaca, what the hell was he thinking telling JMM "You don't need to continue fighting your ahead on the judges scorecards" like Cole knew how the judges were scoring the fight. He did this after the 3rd headbutt that caused a cut on JMM forehead.

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Pacquiao slipped in first round against Barrera, and he ruled it as a KD.

Pacquiao scored a clean KD against Barrera and he ruled it as a slip.

Lawrence Cole is a moron. I heard he's still referreing in Texas because of his Dad.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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- Lawrence Cole: For JMM vs. Jaca, what the hell was he thinking telling JMM "You don't need to continue fighting your ahead on the judges scorecards" like Cole knew how the judges were scoring the fight. He did this after the 3rd headbutt that caused a cut on JMM forehead.

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your absolutly right that he blew that call, but instantly after the fight Cole admitted his error, and has done a pretty good job since.


The best ref right now is without a doubt Steve Smogger. He lets fight reach their natural conclusion.

The best in my life time: Mills Lane

I have got to say Cortex refing against Hatton was shocking but only for the first 6 rounds.

I like it when he said to Hatton I am going to start deducting some points and either Hatton or Graham turned round and said "you already have". It was just comedy.

I think Cortez is generally a good ref but he did not start the Hatton fight well at all.

As for the ref in the Choi fight I though he was going crazy. He should have deucted a point for Matthews spitting out the gum shield. If not he should have let the fighters continue then put the gum shield in at the next break in action. There were a number of things against Choi so glad he prevailed.

so the referee was mr parris , incidentally he was the referee for hatton vs kotsa , i remmeber this fight as i bet against hatton and thought the ref was bias and letting hatton rough kotsa up more than to much, , but its funny how we then complain about hatton vs mayweather and how hatton was treated, which one was worse paris or cortez?

There are some good nights ref wise and then there are bad nights. Part of the game in any sport. We've all seen ref's affect an outcome tons of times hell it even happens sometimes in sports that have replay. But in a situation like the hatton fight no matter what happened people were gonna bitch. If anyone is to blame it's the worker who put that ringpost in hattons way (jus playin) but the ref wasn't the one who lunged in, threw wide punches, or low and behold just got beat by a better fighter (which too often is the real reason guys loose but the last reason people give for doing so).

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Originally Posted by Bukom Battler

I have got to say Cortex refing against Hatton was shocking but only for the first 6 rounds.

I like it when he said to Hatton I am going to start deducting some points and either Hatton or Graham turned round and said "you already have". It was just comedy.

I think Cortez is generally a good ref but he did not start the Hatton fight well at all.

As for the ref in the Choi fight I though he was going crazy. He should have deucted a point for Matthews spitting out the gum shield. If not he should have let the fighters continue then put the gum shield in at the next break in action. There were a number of things against Choi so glad he prevailed.

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Cortez is alright with me. There are honest mistakes, and just plain rediculously refereeing. Other ref would've stopped the fight when Pac knocked JMM down for the third time in 1st round. Plus, he did a terrific job in last David Diaz's fight with the fallen mouth piece, and the loose tape on the glove.

Richard Steel created one of the most controversial call in Chavez-Taylor, but overall he's one of my favorite.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

The ref was Dave Parris

And yes, had the fight been the other way round (Choi getting battered) I bet it would have been stopped after the first knockdown.

Also Derry must have broken Floyd Mayweather's record for turning his back.

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That was bad but as I've said I've seen some that are on par...

How about ref. Jorge Alonso he's had a couple of shitty nights the worst one was when he was the 3rd man for Campbell vs. Quiles...
Atlas was almost in tears urging them to stop the fight.
That was as wrong as Paris performace.

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Originally Posted by leftylee

I still cannot get that phrase out of my head from Cotez on PBF-Hatton.
Cortez to Hatton: "When he (Mayweather) goes down don't hit him" :o :o
What a fuckin joke, Jay Nady is a shit ref too.

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I agree Lefty....
I have respect for Cortez but he done fucked on that night.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Lawrence Cole: For JMM vs. Jaca, what the hell was he thinking telling JMM "You don't need to continue fighting your ahead on the judges scorecards" like Cole knew how the judges were scoring the fight. He did this after the 3rd headbutt that caused a cut on JMM forehead.

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Pacquiao slipped in first round against Barrera, and he ruled it as a KD.
Pacquiao scored a clean KD against Barrera and he ruled it as a slip.
Lawrence Cole is a moron. I heard he's still referreing in Texas because of his Dad.

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That was a bad night for Lawrence I know he's better and I've seen him work well.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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- Lawrence Cole: For JMM vs. Jaca, what the hell was he thinking telling JMM "You don't need to continue fighting your ahead on the judges scorecards" like Cole knew how the judges were scoring the fight. He did this after the 3rd headbutt that caused a cut on JMM forehead.

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your absolutly right that he blew that call, but instantly after the fight Cole admitted his error, and has done a pretty good job since.
The best ref right now is without a doubt Steve Smogger. He lets fight reach their natural conclusion.
The best in my life time: Mills Lane

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I agree on Smoger, I also like Kenny Bayless and Raul Caiz Jr.

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

The best in my life time: Mills Lane

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Even Mills has had his bad nights...
Anyone remember the long count in 1st knockdown for Nunn vs. Tate?
I gotta say it was least 12 to 13 seconds...

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Originally Posted by deliris

i was very shocked to watch itvs coverage , the derry and choi fight in particular was sad, not shocked that he got a pasting but the referee involved was absolutely awful , he tried every which way he could to help him , im suprised there is not many other british viewers making this point , we cannot complain about americans and german referees when our own bunch are an absloute disgrace, i also saw a thread on which micky van is retiring and wether he should , omg thank god he is he is jsut as bad as the referee who helped derry , but well done choi nothing was going to stop him, :mad:

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Your talking about Dave Paris refereering the Derry Mathews fight.You should Know your stuff before you open your mouth especially when you make totally crap gestures that Micky Vann is a total disgrace in refeering!Get your facts right.How many fights have been studying that have been staged over here in the U.K??It does'nt sound like you have much knowledge on the art of the fight game,nevermind the referee's trade!Your talking out of your:smilie_ahole::-X

Arthur Mercante Sr. wasn't too shabby either.

well ok then you have given your opinion on me , how about your opinion on mr parris , or are you defending his awful refereeing lol, and yes i have seen micky van quite a bit and dont particulary think hes all that , although he is bias to the british fighter for sure , dont jsut have a go at me answer the question of wether the referee is bias and awful and totally a joker , the referee in question is mr paris, and i never said micky van was a total disgrace if you jsut read a little carefully. im saying we cant have a go at the likes of joe cortez if we have the likes of mr paris doing an even worse job.

and i think i should quickly correct myself as it appears it may seem i said micky van was a disgrace , if it appears so , i apologise hes not a disgrace but i dont think hes as good as people make out , pls retire mate for all the challengers who will fight british champions and have micky as a referee, im guessing i will have to go look for evidence of his not so great refereeing ro prove why i think hes not so great.

Alright you guys got me going here....

Another bad performance was Mercante Jr. when he let Pernell land something like 10 clean shots on Diosbelys. I know Mercante Jr. knew he made a mistake that night. I'm sure he'd do it differently if he had the chance.

The refs. name escapes my mind at the moment but the ref. for Zarate vs. Gomez did a shitty job in letting Gomez hit Zarate 'twice' while Zarate was down. I don't think Zarate would have beat Gomez anyway BUT it's better to win the right way then hitting a man while he's down twice.

The point were you made the comment that "We" should all not be just slagging off Cortez,due to the fact that YOU also think Dave Paris is just as bad at refereeing as Joe Cortez was or is.The fact of the matter between them two refs is that Dave Paris let Darry Mathews have 3 chances to make the 8count...Which Derry did,He showed Heart and determination by doing soo.That fight was under the rules of the WBO which rules out the standard 3 knock-down rule that most of the other boxing board dont allow.So Dave Paris was right to continue the way he did during the Mathews fight in respect of the rulings of the WBO.Where as Cortez was Bang out of order on the Hatton and Mayweather fight due to him getting hold of Hatton and talking to him up close while he(Hatton)was trying to unload inside shots....there was simple no reason for it!Of course boxers are allowed to fight up close,"Thats part of the game",but somehow Cortez did'nt think soo.Funny though because during the Hatton Vs Costillio fight he did'nt once applyed any of the horrible tactics that he brought in the major Hatton Vs Mayweather bout.

Get those facts right you:spunk::spunk::fyou:

I like Smoger and Ortega, they are the fairest IMO. Smoger lets alot of in fighting happen and Ortega is about as by the book as you can be, he always warns when necessary, and doesn't miss much.

As soon as I saw this thread title, I knew it would only take a couple posts for the first "Cortez, because of the way he treated Hatton" post :D.

Hatton got his ass kicked because he's not even remotely on the same level as Mayweather is. Hatton should be thanking Cortez for stopping the fight in timely fashion and preventing him from getting slammed into more ringposts.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

As soon as I saw this thread title, I knew it would only take a couple posts for the first "Cortez, because of the way he treated Hatton" post :D.

Hatton got his ass kicked because he's not even remotely on the same level as Mayweather is. Hatton should be thanking Cortez for stopping the fight in timely fashion and preventing him from getting slammed into more ringposts.

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Oh! believe you me SweetPea,
Mercante Sr & Jr could have both been in the ring that night and PBF would have kicked Hattons ass regardless.
That does not mean Cortez did NOT do a shitty job on that night.
Warning or no warnings PBF beats him.
But again the performance alone by Cortez was bad.

The point were you made the comment that "We" should all not be just slagging off Cortez,due to the fact that YOU also think Dave Paris is just as bad at refereeing as Joe Cortez was or is.The fact of the matter between them two refs is that Dave Paris let Darry Mathews have 3 chances to make the 8count...Which Derry did,He showed Heart and determination by doing soo.That fight was under the rules of the WBO which rules out the standard 3 knock-down rule that most of the other boxing board dont allow.So Dave Paris was right to continue the way he did during the Mathews fight in respect of the rulings of the WBO.Where as Cortez was Bang out of order on the Hatton and Mayweather fight due to him getting hold of Hatton and talking to him up close while he(Hatton)was trying to unload inside shots....there was simple no reason for it!Of course boxers are allowed to fight up close,"Thats part of the game",but somehow Cortez did'nt think soo.Funny though because during the Hatton Vs Costillio fight he did'nt once applyed any of the horrible tactics that he brought in the major Hatton Vs Mayweather bout.

Get those facts right you:spunk::spunk::fyou:




yvonne think you will find your talking shit, jsut looking to make excuses for awful refereeing. damn if you cant see it and cant accept it then your watching from the most bias view point of all. as for hatton vs mayweather lol, hatton was never going ot be able to fight on the inside p4p #1 is to good inside he has great defensive abilties, as if he was going to let hatton throw inside punches and so on, we all knew this going into the fight why wouldnt you hold on and tie him up, give me a break hatton got shown up for the lower level fight he is compared to mayweather.

if it was up to you paris would be the referee between them then hatton could do as he wished and get away with it and you would see nothing wrong.

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Originally Posted by deliris

The point were you made the comment that "We" should all not be just slagging off Cortez,due to the fact that YOU also think Dave Paris is just as bad at refereeing as Joe Cortez was or is.The fact of the matter between them two refs is that Dave Paris let Darry Mathews have 3 chances to make the 8count...Which Derry did,He showed Heart and determination by doing soo.That fight was under the rules of the WBO which rules out the standard 3 knock-down rule that most of the other boxing board dont allow.So Dave Paris was right to continue the way he did during the Mathews fight in respect of the rulings of the WBO.Where as Cortez was Bang out of order on the Hatton and Mayweather fight due to him getting hold of Hatton and talking to him up close while he(Hatton)was trying to unload inside shots....there was simple no reason for it!Of course boxers are allowed to fight up close,"Thats part of the game",but somehow Cortez did'nt think soo.Funny though because during the Hatton Vs Costillio fight he did'nt once applyed any of the horrible tactics that he brought in the major Hatton Vs Mayweather bout.

Get those facts right you:spunk::spunk::fyou:




yvonne think you will find your talking shit, jsut looking to make excuses for awful refereeing. damn if you cant see it and cant accept it then your watching from the most bias view point of all. as for hatton vs mayweather lol, hatton was never going ot be able to fight on the inside p4p #1 is to good inside he has great defensive abilties, as if he was going to let hatton throw inside punches and so on, we all knew this going into the fight why wouldnt you hold on and tie him up, give me a break hatton got shown up for the lower level fight he is compared to mayweather.

if it was up to you paris would be the referee between them then hatton could do as he wished and get away with it and you would see nothing wrong.

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You should do yourself a favour and listen to my humble honest thoughts of you of your coments on the refereeing subject,"which is obvisiously not your strong point in the boxing game!":-XDo you really understand what the referee is there for inside the ring??It does'nt sound like it by farrrrr!How did you come up with the idea that i was making excuses on refs....Your a very confusing Character that is still wet behind the ears!The crap point you made about the Hatton and Mayweather refereeing by Jo Cortez,you stated that Cortez would'nt let Hatton throw inside punches.....The BIGQuestion on that note is....are you ready for it,YOU novice!...here it is!What is wrong with a boxer fighting in the inside,its part of the game!How else are you supposed to throw uppercuts and left and right hooks to the body without being up close and personal with your opponant inside the ring?CORTEZ was BANG out of order by not letting the fight turn into a fight.This will settle the HASSLE between me and YOU(Novice Fool).......Even the AWESOME Mayweather honestley admitted that CORTEZ was POOR!That's why there's talks of a rematch in 2009.....To settle the score after all.;D;D:lickish::shakin::shakin::bootyshake:KISS THAT!LOL!

oh dear when and where did i ever say cortez wouldnt let hatton throw inside punches ? .... u said :

you stated that Cortez would'nt let Hatton throw inside punches.....


i never have said this anywhere go check u properganding bitch lol . , have it ?

i actually said p4p#1 will never let hatton fight on the inside hes way to good for that , and i never said u there is anything wrong wot hfight on the inside lol, i said u wont be able to do so against a great like mayweather, he will hold and tie up and has an awkward defensive style.
so sshhh pls again i never said cortez wouldnt let hatton throw punches on the inside u silly cunt , fuck me of course fighting on the inside is part of boxing but so is trying to fight on the inside against a boxer not a brawler , against another boxer whos style is fighting on the inside its easy to fight like this.
but u dont really think a boxer wants to fight on the inside when he can jsut keep his distance and box and tie up when he needs to , u are one dumb bitch it is clear to see.

why would a boxer fighting a brawler want to fight on the inside? aint my fault hatton got whooped and his head bounced off the turnbacle , now we can see why pretty boy decided to fight on wrestle mania im sure thats where he got the idea from, seeing hatton bounce like that was hilarious lol;D :lickish::-X

my point is you have a g oat cortez but say nothing of dave paris u bias bitch , fuck even if hatto nfought on the inside pretty boy would whip his backside from manchester to las vegas and to anywhere else he wanted to .;D

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Originally Posted by deliris

i was very shocked to watch itvs coverage , the derry and choi fight in particular was sad, not shocked that he got a pasting but the referee involved was absolutely awful , he tried every which way he could to help him , im suprised there is not many other british viewers making this point , we cannot complain about americans and german referees when our own bunch are an absloute disgrace, i also saw a thread on which micky van is retiring and wether he should , omg thank god he is he is jsut as bad as the referee who helped derry , but well done choi nothing was going to stop him, :mad:

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I agree with your Comment about Parris, he is a particularly bad Ref IMO. But to say that about Mickey Van is completely unwarranted.