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Hatton eying Floyd Rematch
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Article from Boxing Scene. Hatton pretty much looking for the rematch with Floyd after two fights.
I really hope Paulie can beat Ricky
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At best he'll lose a lopsided decision, what's the point?
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Why:confused: did he get concussion from when he hit his head on the corner post.
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the wiz
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Article from Boxing Scene. Hatton pretty much looking for the rematch with Floyd after two fights.
I really hope Paulie can beat Ricky
I like Ricky a lot and I know I upset a lot of his fans here when I say this (I have said it before here)...IMO Paulie beats Ricky anywhere but in the UK....Of course not by stoppage but he outpoints him
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the wiz
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Article from Boxing Scene. Hatton pretty much looking for the rematch with Floyd after two fights.
I really hope Paulie can beat Ricky
I like Ricky a lot and I know I upset a lot of his fans here when I say this (I have said it before here)...IMO Paulie beats Ricky anywhere but in the UK....Of course not by stoppage but he outpoints him
I also like Hatton alot; but I can see Paulie stopping him{or the ref doing it for him}. Paulie is a slick, fast guy. And if Ricky can't catch up to him, and isn't allowed to get in and do his thing, then I can see Ricky getting frustrated yet again and trying to take too many shots and getting his face tore off the frame.
Paulie will win against Hatton IMO, though I would hate to see it. Paulie showed he could take a bad beating{ala' Cotto}, and I can't see Hatton beating him any worse than Miguel did. In fact I see the fight going almost the same way as the Mayweather fight went{except maybe the ricocheting off the post part;D}; unless like Khan said it is held in the U.K. where he may be able to get away with things Cortez didn't, or alot of other refs here in the States.
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the wiz
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Article from Boxing Scene. Hatton pretty much looking for the rematch with Floyd after two fights.
I really hope Paulie can beat Ricky
I like Ricky a lot and I know I upset a lot of his fans here when I say this (I have said it before here)...IMO Paulie beats Ricky anywhere but in the UK....Of course not by stoppage but he outpoints him
I also like Hatton alot; but I can see Paulie stopping him{or the ref doing it for him}. Paulie is a slick, fast guy. And if Ricky can't catch up to him, and isn't allowed to get in and do his thing, then I can see Ricky getting frustrated yet again and trying to take too many shots and getting his face tore off the frame.
Paulie will win against Hatton IMO, though I would hate to see it. Paulie showed he could take a bad beating{ala' Cotto}, and I can't see Hatton beating him any worse than Miguel did. In fact I see the fight going almost the same way as the Mayweather fight went{except maybe the ricocheting off the post part;D}; unless like Khan said it is held in the U.K. where he may be able to get away with things Cortez didn't, or alot of other refs here in the States.
I am willing to bet every rep point that Hatton will be Paulie.
Paulie got outboxed by Herman Ngoudjo ?? I guy who Castillo beat and yet Hatton KO'd Castillo in 4 rounds.
LEGION, Paulie cannot do what Maywetaher did (Use the ref as a tag team partner) as Paulie ain't a massive name, Hatton will whoop Paulie's ass end of.
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Master
Why:confused: did he get concussion from when he hit his head on the corner post.
He's got a punchers chance and back in the UK if Hatton is allowed to do his inside work who knows?? people on here had the fight 50/50. (Check Wacko's RBR thread) Plus if Hatton does not have a ref that is sucking Floyds dick then there is no reason why Hatton can't win.
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Master
Why:confused: did he get concussion from when he hit his head on the corner post.
He's got a punchers chance and back in the UK if Hatton is allowed to do his inside work who knows?? people on here had the fight 50/50. (Check Wacko's RBR thread) Plus if Hatton does not have a ref that is sucking Floyds dick then there is no reason why Hatton can't win.
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Lefty have you hit your head against the corner post too, you said that twice.
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I like Ricky a lot and I know I upset a lot of his fans here when I say this (I have said it before here)...IMO Paulie beats Ricky anywhere but in the UK....Of course not by stoppage but he outpoints him
I also like Hatton alot; but I can see Paulie stopping him{or the ref doing it for him}. Paulie is a slick, fast guy. And if Ricky can't catch up to him, and isn't allowed to get in and do his thing, then I can see Ricky getting frustrated yet again and trying to take too many shots and getting his face tore off the frame.
Paulie will win against Hatton IMO, though I would hate to see it. Paulie showed he could take a bad beating{ala' Cotto}, and I can't see Hatton beating him any worse than Miguel did. In fact I see the fight going almost the same way as the Mayweather fight went{except maybe the ricocheting off the post part;D}; unless like Khan said it is held in the U.K. where he may be able to get away with things Cortez didn't, or alot of other refs here in the States.
I am willing to bet every rep point that Hatton will be Paulie.
Paulie got outboxed by Herman Ngoudjo ?? I guy who Castillo beat and yet Hatton KO'd Castillo in 4 rounds.
LEGION, Paulie cannot do what Maywetaher did (Use the ref as a tag team partner) as Paulie ain't a massive name, Hatton will whoop Paulie's ass end of.
I love how you guys take one bad night and all of a sudden the guy is gonna be outboxed by everyone they step in with or is on the downslide..The Ngoudjo fight was not his best performance but he was not outboxed..it was a close bout...the scores were on point except for one judge who had Paulie winning by a landslide....If he has 2 or so more fights and performs the same you can start criticizing his skills and making those type assments..
As for Hatton beating Castillo I think most are in agreement on the version of Castillo that showed up and lets not pretend otherwise....
But if the fight comes off be prepared to back up your claims because I will put all my point up against yours...Malinaggi by Dec
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Master
Lefty have you hit your head against the corner post too, you said that twice.
WTF are you talking about clown.
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Master
Lefty have you hit your head against the corner post too, you said that twice.
WTF are you talking about clown.
LOL you did a double post, funny response though;D
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Look up at your post, you said it twice.
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DaxxKahn
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leftylee
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LEGION
I also like Hatton alot; but I can see Paulie stopping him{or the ref doing it for him}. Paulie is a slick, fast guy. And if Ricky can't catch up to him, and isn't allowed to get in and do his thing, then I can see Ricky getting frustrated yet again and trying to take too many shots and getting his face tore off the frame.
Paulie will win against Hatton IMO, though I would hate to see it. Paulie showed he could take a bad beating{ala' Cotto}, and I can't see Hatton beating him any worse than Miguel did. In fact I see the fight going almost the same way as the Mayweather fight went{except maybe the ricocheting off the post part;D}; unless like Khan said it is held in the U.K. where he may be able to get away with things Cortez didn't, or alot of other refs here in the States.
I am willing to bet every rep point that Hatton will be Paulie.
Paulie got outboxed by Herman Ngoudjo ?? I guy who Castillo beat and yet Hatton KO'd Castillo in 4 rounds.
LEGION, Paulie cannot do what Maywetaher did (Use the ref as a tag team partner) as Paulie ain't a massive name, Hatton will whoop Paulie's ass end of.
I love how you guys take one bad night and all of a sudden the guy is gonna be outboxed by everyone they step in with or is on the downslide..The Ngoudjo fight was not his best performance but he was not outboxed..it was a close bout...the scores were on point except for one judge who had Paulie winning by a landslide....If he has 2 or so more fights and performs the same you can start criticizing his skills and making those type assments..
As for Hatton beating Castillo I think most are in agreement on the version of Castillo that showed up and lets not pretend otherwise....
But if the fight comes off be prepared to back up your claims because I will put all my point up against yours...Malinaggi by Dec
Are you the guy apart from Lyle that thought Wlad Klitchsko boxed well against Ibragimov, Fuck me :rolleyes:
I'll take you up on that lil offer, I'm ready to bet all my rep points with ANYBODY!!!
Coz Hatton got beat by Floyd means he will now get beat by Paulie and Witter most people are saying ?? and yet what do you say about having one bad night ;) :D
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Lefty have you hit your head against the corner post too, you said that twice.
WTF are you talking about clown.
LOL you did a double post, funny response though;D
thanks for clarifying, my bad :-\
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Why:confused: did he get concussion from when he hit his head on the corner post.
He's got a punchers chance and back in the UK if
Hatton is allowed to do his inside work who knows?? people on here had the fight 50/50. (Check Wacko's RBR thread) Plus if Hatton does not have a ref that is sucking Floyds dick then there is no reason why Hatton can't win.
LOL. Mayweather beat Hatton's ass in the inside. If they fight again this will happen again. Attachment 308
And Hatton will come out looking like this Attachment 309
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By the way I agree with you Lefty, Hatton would beat Paulie and Witter.
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I am willing to bet every rep point that Hatton will be Paulie.
Paulie got outboxed by Herman Ngoudjo ?? I guy who Castillo beat and yet Hatton KO'd Castillo in 4 rounds.
LEGION, Paulie cannot do what Maywetaher did (Use the ref as a tag team partner) as Paulie ain't a massive name, Hatton will whoop Paulie's ass end of.
I love how you guys take one bad night and all of a sudden the guy is gonna be outboxed by everyone they step in with or is on the downslide..The Ngoudjo fight was not his best performance but he was not outboxed..it was a close bout...the scores were on point except for one judge who had Paulie winning by a landslide....If he has 2 or so more fights and performs the same you can start criticizing his skills and making those type assments..
As for Hatton beating Castillo I think most are in agreement on the version of Castillo that showed up and lets not pretend otherwise....
But if the fight comes off be prepared to back up your claims because I will put all my point up against yours...Malinaggi by Dec
Are you the guy apart from Lyle that thought Wlad Klitchsko boxed well against Ibragimov, Fuck me :rolleyes:
I'll take you up on that lil offer, I'm ready to bet all my rep points with ANYBODY!!!
Coz Hatton got beat by Floyd means he will now get beat by Paulie and Witter most people are saying ?? and yet what do you say about having one bad night ;) :D
No No you have me confused...I never made a comment about Wlad and Ibragimov fight....was a snoozer where Wlad for some reason did not impose his will like he should have.....Also I never made any comments about Witter beating Hatton....I have made comments saying Paulie can beat them both...
ANYHOW!!!!!
Just don't be late with my rep points;D
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Why:confused: did he get concussion from when he hit his head on the corner post.
He's got a punchers chance and back in the UK if
Hatton is allowed to do his inside work who knows?? people on here had the fight 50/50. (Check Wacko's RBR thread) Plus if Hatton does not have a ref that is sucking Floyds dick then there is no reason why Hatton can't win.
LOL. Mayweather beat Hatton's ass in the inside. If they fight again this will happen again.
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And Hatton will come out looking like this
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Mayweather beat Hatton in the inside with elbows, not with punches ELBOWS!!!
If they fight again let's have a fuckin HUGE bet. (That's if you accept)
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leftylee
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LEGION
I also like Hatton alot; but I can see Paulie stopping him{or the ref doing it for him}. Paulie is a slick, fast guy. And if Ricky can't catch up to him, and isn't allowed to get in and do his thing, then I can see Ricky getting frustrated yet again and trying to take too many shots and getting his face tore off the frame.
Paulie will win against Hatton IMO, though I would hate to see it. Paulie showed he could take a bad beating{ala' Cotto}, and I can't see Hatton beating him any worse than Miguel did. In fact I see the fight going almost the same way as the Mayweather fight went{except maybe the ricocheting off the post part;D}; unless like Khan said it is held in the U.K. where he may be able to get away with things Cortez didn't, or alot of other refs here in the States.
I am willing to bet every rep point that Hatton will be Paulie.
Paulie got outboxed by Herman Ngoudjo ?? I guy who Castillo beat and yet Hatton KO'd Castillo in 4 rounds.
LEGION, Paulie cannot do what Maywetaher did (Use the ref as a tag team partner) as Paulie ain't a massive name, Hatton will whoop Paulie's ass end of.
I love how you guys take one bad night and all of a sudden the guy is gonna be outboxed by everyone they step in with or is on the downslide..The Ngoudjo fight was not his best performance but he was not outboxed..it was a close bout...the scores were on point except for one judge who had Paulie winning by a landslide....If he has 2 or so more fights and performs the same you can start criticizing his skills and making those type assments..
As for Hatton beating Castillo I think most are in agreement on the version of Castillo that showed up and lets not pretend otherwise....
But if the fight comes off be prepared to back up your claims because I will put all my point up against yours...Malinaggi by Dec
Ha! Good luck with that. I turned that boy into a coward.
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Its incredible how bad Ricky's stock has dropped since the Floyd KO. Its so bad there are people that can see Paul Malignaggi STOPPING Hatton? Goddamn. I love Malignaggi but he ain't stopping Ricky, that just aint going to happen. I think Hatton will beat him, he doesn't have the inside skill that PBF has to keep Hatton from landing on the inside.
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Violent Demise
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leftylee
He's got a punchers chance and back in the UK if Hatton is allowed to do his inside work who knows?? people on here had the fight 50/50. (Check Wacko's RBR thread) Plus if Hatton does not have a ref that is sucking Floyds dick then there is no reason why Hatton can't win.
LOL. Mayweather beat Hatton's ass in the inside. If they fight again this will happen again.
Attachment 308
And Hatton will come out looking like this
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Mayweather beat Hatton in the inside with elbows, not with punches ELBOWS!!!
If they fight again let's have a fuckin HUGE bet. (That's if you accept)
How I know you ain't going to punk out again?
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leftylee
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DaxxKahn
I love how you guys take one bad night and all of a sudden the guy is gonna be outboxed by everyone they step in with or is on the downslide..The Ngoudjo fight was not his best performance but he was not outboxed..it was a close bout...the scores were on point except for one judge who had Paulie winning by a landslide....If he has 2 or so more fights and performs the same you can start criticizing his skills and making those type assments..
As for Hatton beating Castillo I think most are in agreement on the version of Castillo that showed up and lets not pretend otherwise....
But if the fight comes off be prepared to back up your claims because I will put all my point up against yours...Malinaggi by Dec
Are you the guy apart from Lyle that thought Wlad Klitchsko boxed well against Ibragimov, Fuck me :rolleyes:
I'll take you up on that lil offer, I'm ready to bet all my rep points with ANYBODY!!!
Coz Hatton got beat by Floyd means he will now get beat by Paulie and Witter most people are saying ?? and yet what do you say about having one bad night ;) :D
No No you have me confused...I never made a comment about Wlad and Ibragimov fight....was a snoozer where Wlad for some reason did not impose his will like he should have.....Also I never made any comments about Witter beating Hatton....I have made comments saying Paulie can beat them both...
ANYHOW!!!!!
Just don't be late with my rep points;D
I tried to rep you but I have to spread it round. I'll try my daily neg rep to VD and then see. Thanks for the rep anyways, appreciate it man :)
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LOL. Mayweather beat Hatton's ass in the inside. If they fight again this will happen again.
Attachment 308
And Hatton will come out looking like this
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Mayweather beat Hatton in the inside with elbows, not with punches ELBOWS!!!
If they fight again let's have a fuckin HUGE bet. (That's if you accept)
How I know you ain't going to punk out again?
Type in "YES" on your next post and all will be sorted ;)
BTW how the fuck did you make me a coward ?? we'll see who the coward is after Woods faces Tarver and after Calzaghe faces Hopkins.
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DaxxKahn
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leftylee
Are you the guy apart from Lyle that thought Wlad Klitchsko boxed well against Ibragimov, Fuck me :rolleyes:
I'll take you up on that lil offer, I'm ready to bet all my rep points with ANYBODY!!!
Coz Hatton got beat by Floyd means he will now get beat by Paulie and Witter most people are saying ?? and yet what do you say about having one bad night ;) :D
No No you have me confused...I never made a comment about Wlad and Ibragimov fight....was a snoozer where Wlad for some reason did not impose his will like he should have.....Also I never made any comments about Witter beating Hatton....I have made comments saying Paulie can beat them both...
ANYHOW!!!!!
Just don't be late with my rep points;D
I tried to rep you but I have to spread it round. I'll try my daily neg rep to VD and then see. Thanks for the rep anyways, appreciate it man :)
I was talking about don't be late with my rep points after Malignaggi beats Hatton...I just gave you rep points here for the good back and forth...Just so you know it is all in good fun....Only Bilbo ask for rep points
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No No you have me confused...I never made a comment about Wlad and Ibragimov fight....was a snoozer where Wlad for some reason did not impose his will like he should have.....Also I never made any comments about Witter beating Hatton....I have made comments saying Paulie can beat them both...
ANYHOW!!!!!
Just don't be late with my rep points;D
I tried to rep you but I have to spread it round. I'll try my daily neg rep to VD and then see. Thanks for the rep anyways, appreciate it man :)
I was talking about don't be late with my rep points after Malignaggi beats Hatton...I just gave you rep points here for the good back and forth...Just so you know it is all in good fun....Only Bilbo ask for rep points
HAHA no probs mate, I know it's all good ;D
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If the fight can be made in Manchester at 140 with a fair ref go for it Rick.
If not, stay the fuck away mate.
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It is interesting to see people speaking on how awful Ngoudjo is, when in reality his only losses were robberies. I had him ahead by two rounds over both Malignaggi and Castillo. You can debate those individual rounds all day and night saying Malignaggi and Castillo won, and that's to be expected. What you can't say however is that Ngoudjo is a "B" class fighter at 140 the guy has some very good skills, I would not at all be surprised to see him holding a strap in 2009.
Back to the point at hand. Hatton, should not worry about PBF for the time being. He should worry about being the king at 140, forget about floyd, and absolutely don't plan on something 3 fights from now especially when you have a fight with someone else in a month. At 140 IF he beats Lazcano, there are great options for him, Witter, Malignaggi, Ngoudjo, Judah (yeah Zab), Torres. There's plenty of money and fame to be had there, why chase ghosts?
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If the fight can be made in Manchester at 140 with a fair ref go for it Rick.
If not, stay the fuck away mate.
Mayweather will never fight at 140 again.
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It is interesting to see people speaking on how awful Ngoudjo is, when in reality his only losses were robberies. I had him ahead by two rounds over both Malignaggi and Castillo. You can debate those individual rounds all day and night saying Malignaggi and Castillo won, and that's to be expected. What you can't say however is that Ngoudjo is a "B" class fighter at 140 the guy has some very good skills, I would not at all be surprised to see him holding a strap in 2009.
Back to the point at hand. Hatton, should not worry about PBF for the time being. He should worry about being the king at 140, forget about floyd, and absolutely don't plan on something 3 fights from now especially when you have a fight with someone else in a month. At 140 IF he beats Lazcano, there are great options for him, Witter, Malignaggi, Ngoudjo, Judah (yeah Zab), Torres. There's plenty of money and fame to be had there, why chase ghosts?
Well stated...I have to agree with the Zab comment as well...Though I am not sure Zab could make 140 anymore:confused:
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Ricky should STFU and fight fighters in his own weight class.He moved up,won no more than 2 rounds,got KTFO and wants a rematch? I think not and if Mayweather takes this,the RING should strip him of his title.1 pointless rematch I can just about take.2,NO WAY. Hatton needs to shut his mouth and focus on Lazcano and Paulie and you can bet your bottom dollar,I'll be rooting for that loud mouth Paulie all the way. I DO NOT want to see Hatton v Floyd 2.It's ridiculous.
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Ricky was knocked out by Mayweather and in the second half Mayweather was pulling away. It ended up being not very close at all. It doesnt seem to warrant a rematch at this stage.If Hatton wants a rematch and its to be at 147 then Hatton should be fighting at 147 NOW. Hatton needs to come back and impress but beating Lazcano and then Paulie does NOT warrant a rematch with Mayweather at 147. Im afraid there will be other more deserving opponents for Floyd.
There will be a lot of money in a rematch in the UK and we all know Floyd goes where the money is and not where the critics urge him to go. A rematch, when spelled out in those terms, is more than possible.
Part of me wouldnt mind Ricky getting another crack at Floyd. Its an unpopular view to take and I am not goign to defend it because I dont think it is warranted. Just an urge. But Ricky doesnt really deserve that chance unless he can impress again. Beating Lazcano certainly doesnt mean very much anyway.
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I'd have even less interest seeing this rematch then Floyd-DLH II.
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It would be great if Paulie beat Hatton, I'm not a Paulie fan but that would clear all this garbage up. Maybe :-\
That being said Hatton probably beats Paulie but you can always hope unlike with ODLH-Forbes
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I dont know man....but they have to be realist , what really Hatton need to get in WW ?, Money ......if they know that most of fans knows their interest , i think that he should stay in JW for at least leave some Credibility........:-\
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Hatton will never beat Floyd with or without all the excuses. At this moment, Hatton doesn't deserve a rematch, even if he beats Lazcano and Paulie. "If" Hatton stayed at welter, and won a few, I could see a rematch possibly. But he will never beat Floyd. As for Hatton's stock, it shouldn't fall, he wasn't exposed, IMO. We already knew his style. He just lost to the best, and at a weight he can't obviously handle. Good, slick boxers can give Ricky lots of problems, especially southpaws. Hatton is still the best at 140, but will his heart still be in it after losing by KO? We'll find out.
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i like hatton but a rematch shouldn't happen. he will never beat mayweather
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I'd have even less interest seeing this rematch then Floyd-DLH II.
Everyone should feel this way.
While Floyd-Oscar I may have been disappointing from an action standpoint, it was at the very least a competitive fight.
Floyd dominated Hatton in the first fight. A second fight would be even more lopsided. I'd be surprised to see Hatton make it past the 6th or 7th round.