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And to be honest with you,Bazooka KTFO them both out. Too powerful. Straight punches. EXCELLENT jab,it's like Cotto's,it's a jab but it's as hard as a straight right hand. Nice counter punching skills.
Obviously I'm not sure about his chin and he can move around robotically at times but I think he hits too hard for both those guys.The fights involving these guys are going to be exciting for sure!
Great news for AJ. I've read the article of it. ALA is eyeing on Kirilov. Both Banal and Kirilov are Freddie Roach's boys though. ;D Which side will he pick if these two face each other? My guess is Kirilov.
Alexander John Banal is only 19. He's got good speed and power. I've seen most of his fights and he's amazing. But the question is, does he know how to lose? I've never seen him in trouble before. Two weeks ago, I was expecting him to get rocked and cut when he fought the hot undefeated fellow prospect Herrera. Nobody gave him the real test yet. Will he be the next pinoy superstar like the pacman?.. or just another Rey Bautista? What if he gets cut in the eye and partially blinded?.. will he keep fighting the same pace or get discourage, and lose his spirit?
But you're right Gamo. Banal's chin and heart never really put to a test yet. But then I guess that's very typical among the prospects.
He's already got his own website... AJBANAL.NET
;D
I'm not sure about AJ yet. I've seen lots of good pinoy boxers with big punch and a decent style but went out with one good shot to the chin. I might be wrong but AJ somehow gives me that impression also... I think I saw a better potential in that pinoy vs. the world fights. Guess who?;D
"Will he be the next pinoy superstar like the pacman?.. or just another Rey Bautista?"
boom2x is still young and still has the tools to be a filipino boxing superstar. his chin showed weakness but its against pdl who is a known heavy puncher. i believe that his manager was greedy and fed boom2x to the lions too early in his career.
No matter how Bautista prepare his chin with a good neck and jaw exercise,.. HE WILL NEVER POSSES THE KIND OF CHIN LIKE PAC HAS. It's genetic bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
No not boomx2... He's a new guy and that was the first time I saw him. He was a perfectly balanced fighter - aggressive, tough, with pretty big punch and most of all, had an excellent jab. With good training, he should be a mean fighting machine. Of course it's too early to say. We need to see him couple more times to be sure. All I can say is that I liked him even when I've just seen him once, and I'm very hard to please.
The big thing with AJ is the jab,that sets him apart and makes a WORLD of difference. It disguises his power shots,confuses opponents and looks hurtful. Good fighter.
I think both fights will be difficult for Banal at this stage of his career. He does have a great jab but he's never fought anyone with the sort of experience both Kirilov & Darchinyan have. I not saying he can't win but he should be tested against a top 15-20 guy before stepping through the ropes with those two
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Originally Posted by pacfan
I guess you saw the second coming of "El Terible"... but this one is still a kid...
Pac got KO'd in his early career too. So obviously chins can improve. Although I don't think Bautista's will, Pacquiao has been KO'd before so he's not some superman who's had an iron jaw since birth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Anyways, to the topic, after seeing Banal I think he is one of the better prospects in boxing, the hype is true and it's amazing to me that he's only 19. There are few things better then a good southpaw and that's what Bazooka is.
One trait prospects always seem to have is the lack of poise, whether it be the way Amir Khan gets overexcited in his fights or the way McGirt Jr. last not was not able able to stay composed after getting hurt, not knowing to clinch. It's something that goes away eventually for the good ones and Banal 90. Maybe it comes from all the high profile sparring with Pacquiao and others on the GBP roster, but he is very calm in the ring. He wastes no movement and he never lets an opportunity to score slip. A straight jab sets up his offense and his left hand is textbook, no looping, chopping or overextension and it always catches opponents at the end of the punch. He never falls in with the left, always balanced ready to punch or move out. Short quick steps give him an excellent feel for distance and he holds his hands high as part of a good defense.
I agree Sal, I think Banal beats both of them. Maybe Darchinyan can land a bomb and test the chin but for one, I think Kirilov beats the duck Darchinyan, and two even if Darchinyan wins I don't think he could catch Banal and we would be seeing a replay of the Donaire KO.
Big things from Banal, a big fight with him and Nonito is going to happen one day down the line because they are both the real deal.
bro pac has been knocked down (due to him running into a punch, those were years ago though) but his knock out loses were from body shots and semi low blows.Quote:
Originally Posted by amatPac got KO'd in his early career too. So obviously chins can improve. Although I don't think Bautista's will, Pacquiao has been KO'd before so he's not some superman who's had an iron jaw since birth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Anyways, to the topic, after seeing Banal I think he is one of the better prospects in boxing, the hype is true and it's amazing to me that he's only 19. There are few things better then a good southpaw and that's what Bazooka is.
One trait prospects always seem to have is the lack of poise, whether it be the way Amir Khan gets overexcited in his fights or the way McGirt Jr. last not was not able able to stay composed after getting hurt, not knowing to clinch. It's something that goes away eventually for the good ones and Banal 90. Maybe it comes from all the high profile sparring with Pacquiao and others on the GBP roster, but he is very calm in the ring. He wastes no movement and he never lets an opportunity to score slip. A straight jab sets up his offense and his left hand is textbook, no looping, chopping or overextension and it always catches opponents at the end of the punch. He never falls in with the left, always balanced ready to punch or move out. Short quick steps give him an excellent feel for distance and he holds his hands high as part of a good defense.
I agree Sal, I think Banal beats both of them. Maybe Darchinyan can land a bomb and test the chin but for one, I think Kirilov beats the duck Darchinyan, and two even if Darchinyan wins I don't think he could catch Banal and we would be seeing a replay of the Donaire KO.
Big things from Banal, a big fight with him and Nonito is going to happen one day down the line because they are both the real deal.
About Banal, the training he did in puerto rico with oscar sure help him a lot. his only 19 oscar was taking him under his wings. I like the way his been carrying himself. Most of the team filipino carry themselves like pro's that they are, but a.j is special even in the ring its suprising his only 19.
Not to turn this thread about Pac but do you think if Pac got hit with the same punches today that he falls down?Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainbro pac has been knocked down (due to him running into a punch, those were years ago though) but his knock out loses were from body shots and semi low blows.Quote:
Originally Posted by amatPac got KO'd in his early career too. So obviously chins can improve. Although I don't think Bautista's will, Pacquiao has been KO'd before so he's not some superman who's had an iron jaw since birth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Anyways, to the topic, after seeing Banal I think he is one of the better prospects in boxing, the hype is true and it's amazing to me that he's only 19. There are few things better then a good southpaw and that's what Bazooka is.
One trait prospects always seem to have is the lack of poise, whether it be the way Amir Khan gets overexcited in his fights or the way McGirt Jr. last not was not able able to stay composed after getting hurt, not knowing to clinch. It's something that goes away eventually for the good ones and Banal 90. Maybe it comes from all the high profile sparring with Pacquiao and others on the GBP roster, but he is very calm in the ring. He wastes no movement and he never lets an opportunity to score slip. A straight jab sets up his offense and his left hand is textbook, no looping, chopping or overextension and it always catches opponents at the end of the punch. He never falls in with the left, always balanced ready to punch or move out. Short quick steps give him an excellent feel for distance and he holds his hands high as part of a good defense.
I agree Sal, I think Banal beats both of them. Maybe Darchinyan can land a bomb and test the chin but for one, I think Kirilov beats the duck Darchinyan, and two even if Darchinyan wins I don't think he could catch Banal and we would be seeing a replay of the Donaire KO.
Big things from Banal, a big fight with him and Nonito is going to happen one day down the line because they are both the real deal.
About Banal, the training he did in puerto rico with oscar sure help him a lot. his only 19 oscar was taking him under his wings. I like the way his been carrying himself. Most of the team filipino carry themselves like pro's that they are, but a.j is special even in the ring its suprising his only 19.
i highly doubt it, the last punch that knock him down was from hussien husseins jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by amatNot to turn this thread about Pac but do you think if Pac got hit with the same punches today that he falls down?Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainbro pac has been knocked down (due to him running into a punch, those were years ago though) but his knock out loses were from body shots and semi low blows.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
About Banal, the training he did in puerto rico with oscar sure help him a lot. his only 19 oscar was taking him under his wings. I like the way his been carrying himself. Most of the team filipino carry themselves like pro's that they are, but a.j is special even in the ring its suprising his only 19.
That was my point, his chin is improved. Meaning it's not out of question for Bautista to come back with a better chin but like I said this is off topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Raini highly doubt it, the last punch that knock him down was from hussien husseins jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by amatNot to turn this thread about Pac but do you think if Pac got hit with the same punches today that he falls down?Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
again his chin showed weakness we both agreed to that. saying this early that boom2x is a fluke is wrong. he was rushed by his team to earn money by fighting a veteran heavy puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftNo matter how Bautista prepare his chin with a good neck and jaw exercise,.. HE WILL NEVER POSSES THE KIND OF CHIN LIKE PAC HAS. It's genetic bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
he might not develop a granite chin BUT HE CAN DEVELOP GOOD DEFENSE AND FOOTWORK to avoid getting hit like that plus he has dynamite in both hands. so that pretty much evens up everything.
B - I - N - G - O ! ! ! Ciso 'kid terribleee...' Morales ! ! !Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
I guess you saw the second coming of "El Terible"... but this one is still a kid...
Watch out for this kid, fellas, he could be the next real deal.
Well, I guess that remains to be seen. But I strongly doubt he can follow the Pac's foot steps. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10again his chin showed weakness we both agreed to that. saying this early that boom2x is a fluke is wrong. he was rushed by his team to earn money by fighting a veteran heavy puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftNo matter how Bautista prepare his chin with a good neck and jaw exercise,.. HE WILL NEVER POSSES THE KIND OF CHIN LIKE PAC HAS. It's genetic bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
he might not develop a granite chin BUT HE CAN DEVELOP GOOD DEFENSE AND FOOTWORK to avoid getting hit like that plus he has dynamite in both hands. so that pretty much evens up everything.
LOL! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by pacfanB - I - N - G - O ! ! ! Ciso 'kid terribleee...' Morales ! ! !Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
I guess you saw the second coming of "El Terible"... but this one is still a kid...
Watch out for this kid, fellas, he could be the next real deal.
Sorry pare. But he's got tons of flaws. They're just overhyping him. I hope he proves me wrong though.
I see your point, another thing pac has improve on is not running right into a punch to cause a punch to affect him worst. I guess its not only chin but defense. Rey actually has a decent defense but he was really tagged with a good one by ponce. Hopefully rey can improve chin resistences from power shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by amatThat was my point, his chin is improved. Meaning it's not out of question for Bautista to come back with a better chin but like I said this is off topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Raini highly doubt it, the last punch that knock him down was from hussien husseins jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Haha, pacstraightleft my boy, so you're not impressed huh, hmm. I didn't know there's a hype though, I thought the hype was for AJ. I'm worried about AJ's chin and have a nagging feeling he might go down once he face tough Mexican fighters, I hope I'm wrong though. Actually the moment I saw Kid Morales I thought he might be it. I thought he was overall good well-balanced fighter with excellent jab and I like jabs. It's early to say though so you might be right. We'll see few more fights before we decide.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftLOL! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by pacfanB - I - N - G - O ! ! ! Ciso 'kid terribleee...' Morales ! ! !Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Watch out for this kid, fellas, he could be the next real deal.
Sorry pare. But he's got tons of flaws. They're just overhyping him. I hope he proves me wrong though.
Update on Darchinyan-Kirilov..
Darchinyan out to silence Freddie Roach
Sports Nut, Mon, 14 Apr 2008
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Darchi needs to avenge his 6th round KO loss against IBF flyweight champ Nonito Donaire. A rematch should happen between this two fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
First of all, this thread is inaccurate
AJ Banal lost his last fight via TKO in the 10th in the Philippines, how did lined up as mandatory challenger?
He lost to an untested fighter with 10 wins i even forgot his name.
Second, Darchinyan fought Z Gorres in the Philippines and the fight was held to a draw (a shameful fight which clearly saw Vic won by big margin)
That fight was an eliminator for Kirilov
When the fight was held to a draw, Vic was chosen to fight Kirilov and the winner of Kirilov-Darchinyan should face Gorres next.
Pac was KOed not because of a weak chin. It was because of dehydration and body shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by amatPac got KO'd in his early career too. So obviously chins can improve. Although I don't think Bautista's will, Pacquiao has been KO'd before so he's not some superman who's had an iron jaw since birth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Anyways, to the topic, after seeing Banal I think he is one of the better prospects in boxing, the hype is true and it's amazing to me that he's only 19. There are few things better then a good southpaw and that's what Bazooka is.
One trait prospects always seem to have is the lack of poise, whether it be the way Amir Khan gets overexcited in his fights or the way McGirt Jr. last not was not able able to stay composed after getting hurt, not knowing to clinch. It's something that goes away eventually for the good ones and Banal 90. Maybe it comes from all the high profile sparring with Pacquiao and others on the GBP roster, but he is very calm in the ring. He wastes no movement and he never lets an opportunity to score slip. A straight jab sets up his offense and his left hand is textbook, no looping, chopping or overextension and it always catches opponents at the end of the punch. He never falls in with the left, always balanced ready to punch or move out. Short quick steps give him an excellent feel for distance and he holds his hands high as part of a good defense.
I agree Sal, I think Banal beats both of them. Maybe Darchinyan can land a bomb and test the chin but for one, I think Kirilov beats the duck Darchinyan, and two even if Darchinyan wins I don't think he could catch Banal and we would be seeing a replay of the Donaire KO.
Big things from Banal, a big fight with him and Nonito is going to happen one day down the line because they are both the real deal.
His body had improved a lot that's why he difficult to KO now.:cool::cool::cool: