Antonio Margarito is the real deal and I'm just a hatin fool for not recognizing.

Congrats Tony... I feel dirty for saying this, but he is lethal as they come and Paul Williams got lucky that Tony started late... I think he knocks Cotto spark out cause his beard is phenominal and his determination his more than Cotto...

Cotto is a stone faced unemotional killer

Tony seems to derive some sick perverse pleasure from inflicting and recieving punishment which you can tell by his smiles and expressions :o to me thats more dangerous..

NEVER will you hear me hate on Margarito EVER again.... I still dont think he can beat Floyd but he kicks, whips and beats the ever living shiit out of everyone from 147-154

Again Congrats Tony the 2nd best Welterweight in the world

Margarito is a truely dangerous animal.
How this will match up with 2008's terminator, Miguel Cotto I'm not sure.

Margaito put on a fearsome display, taking monstrous shots, seemingly unaffected and plundering on to a huge victory.
(I'm very glad he beat Cintron.)

Cotto however showed something different for me. He showed boxing ability, as well as explosive power.

If and when they fight, I fully expect a thriller, but I do feel that Cotto, although smaller, shades a victory.

Two very entertaining fights.

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Margarito is a truely dangerous animal.
How this will match up with 2008's terminator, Miguel Cotto I'm not sure.

Margaito put on a fearsome display, taking monstrous shots, seemingly unaffected and plundering on to a huge victory.
(I'm very glad he beat Cintron.)

Cotto however showed something different for me. He showed boxing ability, as well as explosive power.

If and when they fight, I fully expect a thriller, but I do feel that Cotto, although smaller, shades a victory.

Two very entertaining fights.

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Interesting view, but Tony was tatooed by body shots and chin shots and he kept coming thru the firestorm unaffected, I'm telling you he gets off on it I think he will relish the fact that he will grind Cotto down and be the 1st to do it

I dont think Cotto will have his way with Margarito like hes used to with other fighters. Margarito will test Cottos chin early and get his respect. His defence is not as good as Cotto but he will take one to land one and keep throwing. I wouldnt be surprised to see him break down Cotto. Tactically they are similar in that they work the body early and keep pressure on their opponents till they break. Both guys have good power, both have good chins. Cintron was very unimmpressive last night so that fights not a good example of how Tony would fair against Cotto, though I think he would be effective vs Cotto.

It was freakish the shots he was taking and he just stood there
as for cotto i think cotto would win through his boxing ability

yeah gotta agree with most of you guys - iwas never a big fan of margarito until last night - he was taking some bombs staright to the head and just shrugging them off. can't wait for the cotto fight in july!

Yeah, I'm basically in agreement. I've never been a big fan of Margarito, and I have criticized his ability in the past, but god damn, he is monstorous at what he does. I don't think it's a case of "the Margarito tonight would have killed Paul Williams" though... I mean there's a reason Margarito started late against Williams and not last night... It's just down to styles. Cintron certainly hit Tony WAY harder than Williams ever did, but it didn't stop Margarito from getting inside and landing. Williams was just far more consistent and was able to keep range far better. Maybe I'll get chastised for this, but I don't think anyone showed anything new last night, it went completely as expected. Cintron couldn't handle the pressure of Tony, and broke down crying again, Johnson gave Chad Dawson all he could handle and more in a fight which could've gone either way but of course went to Dawson, Gomez was completely out of his league(the guy has had a losing trilogy with Jesse Feliciano FFS, it's a joke people gave him such a chance imo), and Tarver looked meh, but just had better ability than Woods who looked poor, beating him over 12. Having just seen it, Johnson vs Dawson easily stole the night imo, I thought Johnson did enough to win it... He is really an outstanding guy for the sport.

Margarito made a big fan out of me last night. I picked Cintron to pull off the win this time around, but Margarito just beat the everlovin shit out of him. A guy with that kind of chin, that kind of power, that kind of ferocity, that kind of stamina, and that kind of workrate is going to be hell for anyone. I don't believe he can beat PBF, but I would love to see the proposed Cotto/Margarito showdown, that has fight of the Decade written all over it.

Tony is a monster, but it's funny as if you would have asked me a while back I would have picked Tony to win against Cotto in a downright war. Now I'm not so sure. It's not cause' Cotto looked so good last night{he did} or that I thought Tony looked bad last night{he really didn't}; I just feel Tony will take a little more punishment than necessary.

Cotto is no Cintron in the fact Cotto won't crumble and started mentally leaving the fight after 3 or 4 rounds. Also, Cotto will make Tony pay for walking straight in to work the body; unless Tony last night just knew he could do as he pleased and get away with it from Cintron. If Tony can get and stay in on Cotto, the uppercuts will devastate Cotto, but if he 1/2 ass uses his jab to try and walk right in to Cotto; Miguel will jab him to death and hit Tony from angles IMO. Either way it will be maybe the most brutal fight on par with the Marquez/Vasquez wars.

This fight has to happen; my personal most anticipated fight maybe ever. Can anyone say trilogy with Cotto/Margarito? How sick would that be.

I'll copy and paste what i said in El Gamo's thread.


Yea your boy looked real good, his punches were still wide but he was combination punching and he was actually punching shorter which is good. He also totally ripped Cintron's body apart Cintron was actually doubling over as early as the 2nd round Cintron got totally dominated from the opening bell. I expected Cintron to lose in the 7th but i expected bit more resistance from Cintron.

I honestly think Margarito would for certain beat Williams in the rematch, Margarito is normally slow starter but he has started very fast in his last two fights, if he shows that aggression early against Williams should they rematch and he will for certain win IMO.

As for Cotto vs Margarito thats a pick em fight, Margarito has a good uppercut which is one of Cotto's biggest weaknesses, and plus i can't see Cotto beating Margarito in a brawl. Cotto's punches are shorter plus he has better boxing skills than Margarito so he can fight on the back foot and outbox Margarito, it just depends on how Cotto approaches the fight.

All these people they were disrespecting Margarito didn't have a clue about Margarito end of, the guy has made multiple defenses at Welterweight and when he lost to Williams he hadn't lost at Welterweight for almost a decade, not counting the Santo's fight because that was at Jr Middleweight and i think Margarito won that fight as well. Its about time people start realizing Margarito is actually a good fighter and is one of the top Welterweights in the world.

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I'll copy and paste what i said in El Gamo's thread.


Yea your boy looked real good, his punches were still wide but he was combination punching and he was actually punching shorter which is good. He also totally ripped Cintron's body apart Cintron was actually doubling over as early as the 2nd round Cintron got totally dominated from the opening bell. I expected Cintron to lose in the 7th but i expected bit more resistance from Cintron.

I honestly think Margarito would for certain beat Williams in the rematch, Margarito is normally slow starter but he has started very fast in his last two fights, if he shows that aggression early against Williams should they rematch and he will for certain win IMO.

As for Cotto vs Margarito thats a pick em fight, Margarito has a good uppercut which is one of Cotto's biggest weaknesses, and plus i can't see Cotto beating Margarito in a brawl. Cotto's punches are shorter plus he has better boxing skills than Margarito so he can fight on the back foot and outbox Margarito, it just depends on how Cotto approaches the fight.

All these people they were disrespecting Margarito didn't have a clue about Margarito end of, the guy has made multiple defenses at Welterweight and when he lost to Williams he hadn't lost at Welterweight for almost a decade, not counting the Santo's fight because that was at Jr Middleweight and i think Margarito won that fight as well. Its about time people start realizing Margarito is actually a good fighter and is one of the top Welterweights in the world.

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I agree in what is underlined ICB , but i think that in this fight , who would give the first big shot that is who going take the lead and put the respect in the Ring , we know that some times since Judah fight he tooks some uppercut shots , but he are getting better on that since the last two fights , is like we are been saying Cotto each time that comes to fight always comes with something new and different........That is good in a boxer......:cool:

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I am in agreement with the general consensus here

I am not a fan of Margarito's. But I couldn't help but be in awe of the performance he put on last night. When he doesn't "start slow" he would be hellacious for anyone to get into the ring with.

The Tony that showed up last night was possessed. Cintron could've had a baseball bat in the ring with him and it wouldn't have helped.

To be honest, if Margarito fights Cotto like that, I see Cotto not lasting the distance. I know many will disagree, but I really dont see what Cotto could do to handle that type of assault. It would take a lot of left hooks to the body before Margarito would even register any pain, and a lot more to slow him down. Margarito is physically the toughest guy in the division, has good power, and when he goes on a nonstop assault round after round any type of fighter is going to have a hard time weathering that storm.

Yeah - Margarito was mightily impressive, and I got the feeling that Cintron is just made for him. Antonio has one hell of a chin and is a tough tough guy .... someone like Cintron, who is such a big hitter that he relies on it will always come unravelled by Antonio.

The immovable object beat the irresistible force last night.

To beat margarito, you either have to outslick him and win on points or you have to get his respect.

It will be a great fight against Cotto, and I would not discount Margarito breaking Cotto's heart as well?

Margarito's punches aren't as sharp as they could be, his chin is great but his defense leaves a lot to be desired, I think Miguel Cotto will not only beat him but STOP him.

KO-ing Gomez is very impressive considering Peter Manfredo a natural middleweight didn't even hurt Gomez.


I say Floyd Mayweather Jr. will wait to see who wins a Cotto-Margarito matchup to make his move....if Cotto wins by KO I figure Floyd will retire or he'd be better off retiring.

I think people are jumping the gun a little bit. I mean Margarito already beat Cintron, and Cintron has a weaker mind than Judah. I think Margarito definitely has a puncher's/Tua like chin chance against Cotto, but Cotto is so much better technically, he's tough as well, and if Margarito can't do more damage than Mosley or Judah then I can't see Margarito beating him. Cotto is so much faster, he punches so much straighter that I see this being a tough fight, but IMO Cotto is a far better fighter than Margarito, its just he doesn't maybe match up as well to Margarito. That being said I think other guys like Clottey would beat Margarito if he ever got a rematch.

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Margarito's punches aren't as sharp as they could be, his chin is great but his defense leaves a lot to be desired, I think Miguel Cotto will not only beat him but STOP him.

KO-ing Gomez is very impressive considering Peter Manfredo a natural middleweight didn't even hurt Gomez.


I say Floyd Mayweather Jr. will wait to see who wins a Cotto-Margarito matchup to make his move....if Cotto wins by KO I figure Floyd will retire or he'd be better off retiring.

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I don't see that at all. Mayorga who is a bigger version of Margarito was absolutely TKFO by Oscar De La HOya, the first time anybody to my knowledge did that with headshots against Ricardo, but Mayweather wasn't scared at all to face Oscar who is very dangerous puncher. I mean Margarito used to be one of Oscar's sparring partners which Oscar didn't have all that much trouble with. That being said I can't see Cotto ko'ing Margarito... he almost didn't ko Judah, and he couldn't KO Malignaggi(or whatever), Ndou, Mosley, and other guys who are tough like Margarito even though he was landing bombs. However Cotto punches like Foreman in that he doesn't have a whole lot of snap to his punches, but he has more force behind his punches than anyone I see below 160, and that has an effect because it ruins his opponent's equilibrium when they are hit by him.

Cotto was at 140 vs Malinaggi and fought a round then took a round off, he's a lot more comfortable at 147 as you can see. Judah was moving away from Cotto the whole time and Miguel had to stalk him down. N'Dou has never been stopped, and neither has Shane Mosley.


Margarito COULD stay away however Tony doesn't fight like that he has to brawl and vs Cotto it's suicide, it has been for every guy who has fought Cotto.


And even when Cotto DOESN'T stop someone he beats the CRAP out of them, breaking bones...look at their faces hell look at Cotto-Branco he stopped him on a punch to the freaking shoulder!!!

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Margarito's punches aren't as sharp as they could be, his chin is great but his defense leaves a lot to be desired, I think Miguel Cotto will not only beat him but STOP him.

KO-ing Gomez is very impressive considering Peter Manfredo a natural middleweight didn't even hurt Gomez.


I say Floyd Mayweather Jr. will wait to see who wins a Cotto-Margarito matchup to make his move....if Cotto wins by KO I figure Floyd will retire or he'd be better off retiring.

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Hey Lyle , you are are been saying good point , everybody are been talking about Margarito power punch , but the intrigue point here is how can Margarito could assimilate Cottos power? We cant forget that , i think that Margarito have more flaws than Cotto........Cotto have showed , how can his chin assimilate , but Margarito do? and with who?

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Cotto was at 140 vs Malinaggi and fought a round then took a round off, he's a lot more comfortable at 147 as you can see. Judah was moving away from Cotto the whole time and Miguel had to stalk him down. N'Dou has never been stopped, and neither has Shane Mosley.


Margarito COULD stay away however Tony doesn't fight like that he has to brawl and vs Cotto it's suicide, it has been for every guy who has fought Cotto.


And even when Cotto DOESN'T stop someone he beats the CRAP out of them, breaking bones...look at their faces hell look at Cotto-Branco he stopped him on a punch to the freaking shoulder!!!

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Mosley was stopped by Vernon Forest. However NDOU hasn't been stopped, but to my knowledge hasn't foughten any big punchers except Cotto.

I definitely think Cotto will bust Tony up,but I think Tony will be returning the fire, especially in the form of uppercuts. And Margarito has never been stopped either and his whole career has been at welterweight. I still don't think Paul Williams beating Margarito was a fluke... Paul's footwork early didn't allow Tony to get off to a quick start, and Margarito is so limited athletically I think great athletes like COtto and Mayweather could avoid a lot of his punches, and counter where nobody else could.

Mosley has NEVER been stopped...he's been knocked down but NEVER stopped....you had best check your facts before you post them.


You don't uppercut a guy who throws hooks like Cotto without leaving yourself wide damn open.

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Mosley has NEVER been stopped...he's been knocked down but NEVER stopped....you had best check your facts before you post them.


You don't uppercut a guy who throws hooks like Cotto without leaving yourself wide damn open.

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I like that Lyle , certainly right man.....;D

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margarito made cintrone look like a non-puncher the type of guy amir khan fights. you've got to be tough to take that type of guys punches that well. i think a fight with cotto would be interesting, if margaritos in that frame of mind then he could beat cotto, however he seems to sometimes start to late so i feel cotto may get the win

I give toni so so much respect because he is one tough motherfucker. On of the best chins ever in boxing IMO. BUT it was his chin that has carried him a lot, and did so in the citron fight.

I am a somewhat of a toni fan, and wanted him to win last night, but it was clear citron was the better boxer, he did a few things wrong, should of run a bit more and just jabbed away, toni did make it hard for him. Most normal fighters tho would not of been able to take the blows that citron unleashed, it was toni's freakishly durable chin that alowed him to take everything citron had and keep coming. You could see Citron was getting fucked up mentaly when he had hit him with everything bar the kitchen sink and toni was still battering him.

I don't think i would put toni in the top 5 WW for boxing skill though, he is very very open and lacks a few things, Cotto will need to box and move, not get stupid and get into a war with him, break down the body and slow him down. Will be a hell of a fight, i think cotto will be able to fight smart enough to win.

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Mosley has NEVER been stopped...he's been knocked down but NEVER stopped....you had best check your facts before you post them.


You don't uppercut a guy who throws hooks like Cotto without leaving yourself wide damn open.

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Judah did and rocked Cotto to his boots.

The upercut is the best thign to stop a hooker lol... that hook wont land if the upercut gets in first.

I think toni would have to throw it form range to get away with it tho as cotto's handspeed will outmatch toni's.

Well #1 Margarito reminds me a lot of Roberto Duran, he's crass and callous and I would LOVE to see Margarito-Mayorga in the future.


#2 Margarito's CHIN has carried him a long way....you just can't take body shots and if he's throwing these looping punches he's going to get countered by Cotto and well, it's not going to tickle that's for damn sure

I think he beats PDF. He is simply too big, too strong and throws punches from every angle under the sun non stop. He is capable of breaking down any defense out there. PBF would not have the size or strength to ward him off.

Cotto is another question. He does have power and does have the strength to keep Margarito off him. That would be an explosive fight.

I think marg has a better chance than Cotto to beat PBF simply due to his massive size and workrate, although Cotto has shown some great versatility and could find a way to win also.

All Styles baby!!

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Mosley has NEVER been stopped...he's been knocked down but NEVER stopped....you had best check your facts before you post them.


You don't uppercut a guy who throws hooks like Cotto without leaving yourself wide damn open.

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My bad, I thought the first Forrest-Mosley fight ended in KO, but regardless Margarito hasn't been stoped either.

Margarito vs. Cotto. Got dam I wan't to see this happen! I think Cotto might have it by a hair. Whoever wins is going to look like they still could have lost just by looking at their face is my guess.

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I think he beats PDF. He is simply too big, too strong and throws punches from every angle under the sun non stop. He is capable of breaking down any defense out there. PBF would not have the size or strength to ward him off.

Cotto is another question. He does have power and does have the strength to keep Margarito off him. That would be an explosive fight.

I think marg has a better chance than Cotto to beat PBF simply due to his massive size and workrate, although Cotto has shown some great versatility and could find a way to win also.

All Styles baby!!

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Margarito is not any stronger than Baldomir or Oscar De La Hoya, and his speed is more like Baldomir's, but he throws even wider punches. People won't be breaking down Mayweather's defense if Oscar can't do it. The only person I see standing a chance of doing it is Cotto because he has such good timing on the inside, and he had really quick, sharp, hooks. Cotto not only outpunched MOsley and Judah, but he was quicker than them as well, not in the handspeed type of way, but he reacted faster, and was much sharper than either of them when he fought.

Yes but Shane is a better technician than Margarito and has some of the fastest hands P4P and he's harder to hit than Margarito.


Cotto got hit by Judah who has extremely quick hands.


Margarito shouldn't be compared to either one of those guys

I actually give Cotto a much better chance at beating Floyd than Tony. Tony tends to plod forward sometimes, and will take shots to get in. Floyd will hit and run; and even if Tony manages to get inside Floyd, I still see Floyd being able to hang in there and use his speed to land inside; and get out fast. Floyd's defense is still the best in the business.

Cotto seems much improved in his boxing and uses his jab to great efficiency. And his has good timing; though no one is as good as Floyd. I see neither beating Floyd really, but I wouuld have to edge it to Cotto if I had to choose one to dethrone Pretty Boy.

Tony looked good last night on a guy who has a typical bully mentality. Likes to dominate and impose his will with his heavy hands, but can't come close to taking what he dishes out. Like I said yesterday in another thread, Cintron looked ready to flee against Feliciano, a guy who couldn't put a punch combination together to save his life, but who has a great beard. Tony can take a shot AND put punches together, and anyone that has those 2 things can beat a Cintron 8 days a week.

Cotto beat up a guy who really had no business being put in with the lion. Cotto/Margarito fight has to happen to see who should be the guy who gets a crack at Floyd; though Cotto already deserves that shot anyways.

Alfonso Gomez had fought at 160 so don't give me that "he had no business being in the ring with Cotto" bs!


Sure Floyd is technically skilled and has great handspeed and a different kind of power than Cotto or Toni but I just think he's a fragile fighter and no one has really put him to the test other than an old De la Hoya and hell I think Floyd was lucky to get away with that fight with a 0 in the loss column. Oscar didn't try to punish Floyd...everyone wants to work in around Floyd's defense via the jab and combinations....Miguel will beat up the defense and Floyd will take punishment either on his defense or through his defense.


Cotto is waiting to be an attractive fight for Floyd....and that is smart because when Floyd wants to fight HIM and not the other way around Cotto then holds all the cards and can affect the amount of money he's going to get AND more importantly the size of the ring.

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Alfonso Gomez had fought at 160 so don't give me that "he had no business being in the ring with Cotto" bs!


Sure Floyd is technically skilled and has great handspeed and a different kind of power than Cotto or Toni but I just think he's a fragile fighter and no one has really put him to the test other than an old De la Hoya and hell I think Floyd was lucky to get away with that fight with a 0 in the loss column. Oscar didn't try to punish Floyd...everyone wants to work in around Floyd's defense via the jab and combinations....Miguel will beat up the defense and Floyd will take punishment either on his defense or through his defense.


Cotto is waiting to be an attractive fight for Floyd....and that is smart because when Floyd wants to fight HIM and not the other way around Cotto then holds all the cards and can affect the amount of money he's going to get AND more importantly the size of the ring.

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Rep for that. I really think both can be too strong for him. I think both would either outpoint Floyd by putting him into a defensive shell and outwork him, or methodically break him down, force him to fight and stop him. Floyd is a great fighter, but these are two incredible strong fighters, in their prime, and on a mission.

I don't think Floyd wants to face guys like that right now. I think his heart is on making some good money before retiring, but no longer in the sport. I doubt we will see Floyd fight either of them.

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Congrats Tony... I feel dirty for saying this, but he is lethal as they come and Paul Williams got lucky that Tony started late... I think he knocks Cotto spark out cause his beard is phenominal and his determination his more than Cotto...

Cotto is a stone faced unemotional killer

Tony seems to derive some sick perverse pleasure from inflicting and recieving punishment which you can tell by his smiles and expressions :o to me thats more dangerous..

NEVER will you hear me hate on Margarito EVER again.... I still dont think he can beat Floyd but he kicks, whips and beats the ever living shiit out of everyone from 147-154

Again Congrats Tony the 2nd best Welterweight in the world

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No kidding. Muthafucka was asking Cintron to get his ass back up. So he can beat his ass some more

A total Roberto Duran move....as I said before I would LOVE a Margarito-Mayorga matchup!


But you don't DARE taunt a guy like Cotto....that's like swimming with Jaws!

Speed and footwork can cause problems for Margarito.Look at the first five rounds of Williams fight.Williams Utilized his long hand speed and spun circles around Margarito.But Tonys tenacious pressure with range power can can quickly get him into a guys chest with some great uppercuts and solid body work,though his propensity to take left hooks leaves something to be desired at times :-XI am always weary of relying on a good chin as a part of a guys foundation...more of a fail-safe thing ?Better defense for Margarito than his chin is his undeniable pressure and all angel offense.Cottos jab will be a huge obstacle for Tony and he has shown Improved mobility as of late.Cotto can be stunned but it is from the sharp/quick type of shots but I do think Margarito can keep Cotto on his heels with volume punching and uppercuts.Tony has a tremendous chin but has in the past had his share of getting buzzed moments.When It all comes down, I love this fight and am glad It is coming.I like Margarito to win this one over Cotto,I think uppercuts will be a big factor.Can not wait for this one;D

Anyone notice how big and high Gomez's cup was during the fight? But he didn't get any help from it. So Oscar De la Hoya....take notice ;D


Margarito will trade with Cotto and honestly from 147-160 I wouldn't advise anyone to do that....yes 160, I believe Miguel's power can go up that far because he punches to the body!

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Anyone notice how big and high Gomez's cup was during the fight? But he didn't get any help from it. So Oscar De la Hoya....take notice ;D


Margarito will trade with Cotto and honestly from 147-160 I wouldn't advise anyone to do that....yes 160, I believe Miguel's power can go up that far because he punches to the body!

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Poor Gomez was wishing he could tie his cup around his head as well.No disrespect to Gomez :-X but I think Cotto just carried him abit.Found some swagger as well...lampley with "His arrogance is flowing" lol

When you fight a guy who never quits you never give him the opportunity to come back which is why Cotto let the stoppage come to him instead of forcing it.


Too many times guys dominate and then force things and BANG they lose by a shocking KO....Cotto has had his share of stupid moves, like vs Torres and he has obviously learned from this

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Alfonso Gomez had fought at 160 so don't give me that "he had no business being in the ring with Cotto" bs!


Sure Floyd is technically skilled and has great handspeed and a different kind of power than Cotto or Toni but I just think he's a fragile fighter and no one has really put him to the test other than an old De la Hoya and hell I think Floyd was lucky to get away with that fight with a 0 in the loss column. Oscar didn't try to punish Floyd...everyone wants to work in around Floyd's defense via the jab and combinations....Miguel will beat up the defense and Floyd will take punishment either on his defense or through his defense.


Cotto is waiting to be an attractive fight for Floyd....and that is smart because when Floyd wants to fight HIM and not the other way around Cotto then holds all the cards and can affect the amount of money he's going to get AND more importantly the size of the ring.

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Maybe "he had no business being in the ring with Cotto" is a bit much, maybe, but he had almost no shot to beat him, I don't care what (unnatural) weight he'd fought at. I say almost just cause I guess any boxer has some sort of chance to win any certain fight.