Glen Johnson's rant

What do you guy's think?
It all came out last night finally for Glen Johnson about the bullshit desicion's against him past years.Although I could see how Dawson won that fight but by scores of 116-112 if some people don't know that is 8 rounds to 4.You show me were Chad Dawson took 8 rounds from Glen.I mean I could see 115-113 but to tell me that Johnson only won the rounds in which he had Dawson sensless is ridiculous.Pressure makes fight's if Johnson hadn't have put pressure on him we would not have had a fight and Johnson is right in being angry because now Dawson will not fight him again.Maybe Tarver will have a third fight with him and at this state with both men climbing in age in could be a great fight and a great trilogy.

Johnson is a great fighter and should make the HOF. At least 7 of his 12 losses should have gone his way. He really lost out on millions of dollars that were ripped from his hands by the judges. Im happy he said what everyone was thinking last night, because in truth these things happen all the time in boxing to fighters who entertain us to feed their families. Johnson fought like it was a must win fight and thats just what he did imo. 116-112 all for Dawson is not justifyable.

8 to 4 verses 7 to 5. That is only a one round difference.

Johnson didn't get robbed; he lost a close fight.

The rant was touching because no doubt he's been on the bad end of a lot of close/bullshit decisions in his career.

But despite what he thinks, he wasn't robbed IMO. Most people had Dawson winning 7-5 (thats what I had) and I have yet to see many people who feel Johnson won. It was a close compeditive fight, and Johnson fought like the warrior he is, but Dawson put too many of the early and mid rounds in the bank for him to steal it in the end IMO.

Still my heart goes out to Johnson, who is one of the classiest, toughest and hardest working guys in boxing. I really would have liked to see Johnson get some more time in the sun, but Dawson proved that he could take a punch and has heart.

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

8 to 4 verses 7 to 5. That is only a one round difference.

Johnson didn't get robbed; he lost a close fight.

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It's not that simple by any means though... Johnson completely dominated 4 rounds, had Dawson badly hurt in 3, I had him winning 7 and beating Chad. I just think the fight was razor thin with Glen doing almost all of the damage, for every judge to have Dawson winning comfortably is garbage imo, especially since Johnson took the last 3.

Im going to watch this fight again as i wern't really scoring it when i watched the fight, but the impression i got was that it was a draw or no more than 2 points in it either way. I thought Dawson turned the fight around big time in the middle rounds as he out boxed Johnson, but Johnson come on strong and for certain won the later rounds. It basically depends on how many rounds you gave Dawson in the early going.

johnson won. watch the fight again and you'll see that johnson blocked most of dawsons punches with his elbows and gloves.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

The rant was touching because no doubt he's been on the bad end of a lot of close/bullshit decisions in his career.

But despite what he thinks, he wasn't robbed IMO. Most people had Dawson winning 7-5 (thats what I had) and I have yet to see many people who feel Johnson won. It was a close compeditive fight, and Johnson fought like the warrior he is, but Dawson put too many of the early and mid rounds in the bank for him to steal it in the end IMO.

Still my heart goes out to Johnson, who is one of the classiest, toughest and hardest working guys in boxing. I really would have liked to see Johnson get some more time in the sun, but Dawson proved that he could take a punch and has heart.

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Are you kidding?

Dawson proved he could take a punch and has heart?

Dawson was backing off or clinching when he was hurt, he cant go toe to toe without getting rocked.

He has a very negative style of boxing and the crowd were booing him all night long.

If anything i think this fight proved corruption in boxing, that was johnsons fight by a round, at best a draw.

Dawson never hurt johnson one bit, yet dawson was rocked on two occasions in that fight, once where i thought he was going down except managed to clinch and then back off.

Im not impressed with dawson at all, tarver will beat him, hopkins would cast him aside.

But im hoping calzaghe carries everything upto light heavy because i want to see calzaghe beat hopkins and then fae dawson.

I think if calzaghe carries upto supermiddle like the true champ he is (thats the test for calzaghe to prove), then he will school dawson.

Dawson has comparitiveyl poor power compared with the other top guys in the division and probably the worst chin out of the other top guys.

Not impressed, as soon as he fights a real quality opponent the guys going down.

I thought it was hilarious when Johnson said "Everybody watching HBO saw it". Guy was on ShowTime.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I thought it was hilarious when Johnson said "Everybody watching HBO saw it". Guy was on ShowTime.

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Haha, my girl started giggling when he did that:D

I did feel bad for Glen, I mean hows he suppose accept that he lost if the fight was close?
But that's the way it went would he have won it would have been OK.
Fights like this where there are a couple of rounds that are close it all depends on what you saw in the rounds. I know there was 2 rounds on my card that could have gone either way. In the end as a judge you gotta trust your judegement and that you put a 10 next to the right name.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

The rant was touching because no doubt he's been on the bad end of a lot of close/bullshit decisions in his career.

But despite what he thinks, he wasn't robbed IMO. Most people had Dawson winning 7-5 (thats what I had) and I have yet to see many people who feel Johnson won. It was a close compeditive fight, and Johnson fought like the warrior he is, but Dawson put too many of the early and mid rounds in the bank for him to steal it in the end IMO.

Still my heart goes out to Johnson, who is one of the classiest, toughest and hardest working guys in boxing. I really would have liked to see Johnson get some more time in the sun, but Dawson proved that he could take a punch and has heart.

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I agree with you 100% you feel bad for Johnson I mean how can you tell a guy he lost a close fight? I mean it was close that's why he feels he won.

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Originally Posted by LondonBB

Are you kidding?
Dawson proved he could take a punch and has heart?
Dawson was backing off or clinching when he was hurt

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You've obviously haven't been around here for all the rants about him having a glass chin and him being KO'd when he fights a puncher.
Well Glens a puncher and yes he was hurt but he never went down and he fought back. If BCD & Glens performance didn't bring you to your feet at one point or another then I don't know what will. When Glen hurt BCD, BCD fired back and didn't let off.

The follwing 2 statements let's me know how much you know about BCD and what you've seen of him.

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Originally Posted by LondonBB

he cant go toe to toe without getting rocked.

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Really? :Sarcasm:
What gave you that impression?
BCD is a boxer not a puncher just so you.

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Originally Posted by LondonBB

He has a very negative style of boxing and the crowd were booing him all night long.

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He has a negative style... WTF?
Did you miss the 3, 4 punch combos he was putting together.
I think it was round 7 where he put a 4 punch combo with 2 shots upstairs and 2 down stairs. The crowd was booing cause BCD was countering and boxing the people that boo! are people who don't appreciate boxing skills and are there just to see a brawl. The people who appreciate it and know the sport saw how BCD was able to control Glen with his jab and then follow it with a right hand circle around and repeat. Also they didn't boo him all night long cause they did applaud in the early rounds which he won and also the middle rounds he won.

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Originally Posted by LondonBB

If anything i think this fight proved corruption in boxing, that was johnsons fight by a round, at best a draw.

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I have no problem with the fight being close cause it was Glen brought pressure in the end and closed out strong but it's 12 rounds that count not just the last ones.

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Originally Posted by LondonBB

Dawson never hurt johnson one bit, yet dawson was rocked on two occasions in that fight, once where i thought he was going down except managed to clinch and then back off.

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If you knew about BCD you'd know he's not a brawler hes a boxer so what he did was smart and would he have traded punches he would have made a rookie mistake. You know the same kind of mistake that almost cost Pavlik his fight with Jermain when he thought it'd be a good idea to taunt Jermain.

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Originally Posted by LondonBB

Im not impressed with dawson at all, tarver will beat him, hopkins would cast him aside.

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Well then your not impressed and that's fine but don't cry about a close fight that could have gone either way and say Glen was robbed. I'll tell you like I've told others: A robbery is a fight where there is a CLEAR cut winner by 3, 4 rounds and it goes the other way.
That my man is a robbery. This fight between Glen and BCD was close. You yourself had it by 1 and also a Draw this tells me your not certain either. A few months back when the Tarver fight was 1st brought up I thought it was bad idea as BCD was more raw and really hadn't sat on a style now Eddie Mustafa has kept up the style and gives him the pointers needed. I think BCD is ready to give it a go vs. Tarver and I will be rooting for him if they fight.
I actually agree with you that Hopkins would beat BCD no doubt that would be a lesson for BCD.

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Originally Posted by LondonBB

But im hoping calzaghe carries everything upto light heavy because i want to see calzaghe beat hopkins and then fae dawson.
I think if calzaghe carries upto supermiddle like the true champ he is (thats the test for calzaghe to prove), then he will school dawson.

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I agree here with you, I think Joe would school BCD.
Guys like Hopkins & Joe are too seasoned for BCD right now.
I think it will boil down to how BCD performs against Tarver if BCD puts on a good performance then I expect him to fight the top guy.
One thing that people like yourself REALLY need to think about here is that BCD is ONLY 25.... Yes, 25 and the kids talented. If he can stay hungry and continue to improve then the skies the limit for him.

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Originally Posted by LondonBB

Dawson has comparitiveyl poor power compared with the other top guys in the division and probably the worst chin out of the other top guys.
Not impressed, as soon as he fights a real quality opponent the guys going down.

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I'll repeat it BCD is not a puncher. Hes a boxer, he uses the ring generalship. I think last night he showed that he can take a punch he didn't go down yes he was rocked but he didn't go down and YES he showed heart when he fought back despite being hurt.
Now this is funny. Your comment is:
"As soon as he fights a real quality opponent the guys going down"
Can I ask what you consider Glen?
I think Glens a quality opponent and many people thought he'd take out BCD but he didn't BCD fought smart and boxed. He still has things he needs to improve on but the fact is he continues to win. Also Adamek was argueably #1 when BCD defeated him so thats 2 quality opponents there.

Look I can see the fight being closed and I can see he's not Mr. Punching power. But to say he's got no heart is ridiculous. THe kids talented and if you couldn't see that from last nights fight then I don't know what to tell you. With time we'll talk again about him and we'll see what you think of the kid then. For now class is dismissed.

Cutmemick, ive had a look at my post after you responded and i feel you made worthy arguments, infact i see what your saying totally and agree.

My initial post was tbh out of frustration i guess.

What im annoyed with is the way i see guys get bigged and hyped up when they are not experienced enough nor do they have the real quality to be considered great champs.

Examples of this are lacy and dawson and dare i say it, it seems kessler might be one of those guys to???

Although i think kessler will come to fruit, albeit im annoyed that hes ducked miranda:rolleyes:. There is no doubt dawson is a good boxer, infact hes a very good boxer. You are right, the fight with johnson was very even, it could have gone both ways, the 16,12 scorecard was a joke though, thats what im annoyed about.

I could see it going a round to johnson or dawson, but johnson seemed the stronger of the two fighters and definately did the most damage, without really taking any punishment.

This is the problem i feel with the 12 round system, the way it is scored round by round does not give justice or reflect the nature of the fight.

For instance a fighter can draw 8 rounds, but the judges are so reluctant to give drawn rounds that they might give it to that fighter because he is the home favourite...then for 4 of the remaining rounds that fighter could get totally whipped, put on the floor twice and just stagger through till the end...yet the fighter who managed to 'win' the drawn rounds (because the judges v seldom give drawn rounds even if it is an extremely close round) will end up winning the fight despite being battered all over the place.

So in this fight i thought you had some drawn rounds, they obviously gave these rounds to dawson. You also had johnson totally dominate dawson in 3 of the rounds...this leads me to give the fight a draw or a win to johnson by 1 round.

Anyway, i guess im being too hard on chad, he went the distance and shows he has good skills against a very tough opponent. It doesnt matter who they give it to i guess, the true winner is the person who the crowd and audience believe is the better fighter. Id have to say that i think johnson is a better fighter than dawson from what i saw tbh.

Hopkins or calzaghe on dawson and i cant see dawson having much of a chance though.

This fight has made me see though that hopkins is a cut above the other light heavies out there tbh. If calzaghe beats hopkins then i presume hopkins will retire.

So aside from jones and pavlik, calzaghe (if he beats hopkins) could also fight tarver and dawson.

I just cant see dawson being given a match up against calzaghe with that performance against johnson though. Tarver dominated against woods and showed he is still a class fighter, although he was shown up by bhop...which makes me think that if calzaghe is as good at light heavy as he is at super middle and he beats hopkins, then is there really any point in fighting the winner of tarver vs dawson (most probably tarver i think) seeing as bhop already cast tarver aside? Meaning a calzaghe vs pavlik fight is the only forseeable and credible fight left for calzaghe if he beats bhop. Then maybe a last matchup against roy jones, i think this would be interesting afterall its the matchup that shouldve happened 8 or so years back but never happened. Id like to watch that personally, although i think calzaghe would win and jones is not at his peak, it would still be good for old times sake. To finally get to see probably the two greatest boxers of the middle/supermiddle/light heavy divisions of the last 20 years against each other in their last fights...it would be a fitting end to both calzaghe and jones' careers regardless of the outcome.

I thought Glen Johnson's speech was touching and I want to have sex with Karen Bryant.

Still, he didn't win the fight although he came damn close to doing so.

If anyone has earned that rant it is Glen Johnson, and he kept it real with the "pay the bills" line. He definitely looks like he could keep going for a while more in the sport though, looked fantastic.

But honestly, he got unquestionably robbed against Woods twice (imo), Julio Gonzalez and Omar Sheika. I haven't seen the other ones but it wouldn't be hard to believe he's been robbed in more. He may not have won the fight but he won 5 rounds as an absolute, unquestionable bare minimum. There is no possible way he lost the fight by 4 rounds. What were the judges doing during that last dominant Johnson round? I feel bad, it was a close fight. I scored it a draw.

I can see where Johnson was coming from, and I wanted to see a draw, but wasn't disappointed with a 1 point win for Dawson(4 points was ridiculous).

Although, as far as 10-point must scoring system, yes Dawson won, but Johnson whipped his azz, IMO. If the fight was judged on who would want to fight 5 more rounds, Johnson would be the winner in my eyes.

...johnson should know by now that he can't afford to leave any fight in the hands of the judges.

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

8 to 4 verses 7 to 5. That is only a one round difference.

Johnson didn't get robbed; he lost a close fight.

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I guess my point being is he had Dawson out of it in those four rounds.For a judge not see him win another round is insane.

johnson deserved the win, the judges scorecards were pathetic

I scored it a draw 6 rounds each, it was not a robbery and in Dawsons backyard and him being champion it was always going to go with him

Some calling a hometown decision when johnson lives in florida......the scoring was riddiculous but i was comfortable that they said dawson won, if they would have said he lost i would feel the same way. I think he still would whoop tarver though.

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Originally Posted by Mar

Some calling a hometown decision when johnson lives in florida......the scoring was riddiculous but i was comfortable that they said dawson won, if they would have said he lost i would feel the same way. I think he still would whoop tarver though.

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I think both Dawson and Johnson would whoop Tarver at this point and that's after Tarver had his best performance in years, probably since the second Johnson fight.