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Cintron has obviously improved but still lacks the mental toughness to beat MARGARITO but no one else has gotten to him.
I think Cintron has a lot to learn but if he can hone his skill even better he can continue to be a force in the welterweight division as well as at 154.
I would like to see Cintron fight these fighters in the near future: Carlos Quintana, Luis Collazo, Zab Judah, Isaac Hlatswayo, Andre Berto, and Joshua Clottey.
He has to toughen up mentally to be a good title holder
mental toughness? are you pissed or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
he did fight the wrong fight, but he was put away with a body shot that would put anyone away during that point, he took a fucking hell of a beating and kept trying.
Hey buddy just look at his body language...he's worse than Shane Mosley with his body language. He shows when he's frustrated, scared, and believes he's losing.
You can see as a fighter when you're getting to him mentally and when he starts doubting himself and his ability. It takes mental toughness to shrowd that and not give your opponent any momentum
Yeah again I agree, especially on the mental toughness part it's obvious. How many times did he look to the referee in that bout? A few times he wasn't even hit on the back of the head. The first time Margarito was warned, he came back and landed 2 clean to the side of the head in front of the ear and Cintron still complained but was not bailed out that time.
Kermit has heart but he just doesn't know how to handle things when the going gets tough. He gets overwhelmed too much and he's probably always gonna be like that. Cintron's problem is he can't handle extreme pressure fighters and realistically Tony's pressure is one of a kind at 147 because he smothers you and doesn't stop throwing punches. Cintron is a contender as long as he's not in the same ring as Margarito. He basically ducked Williams to fight Tony and that was probably the biggest mistake of his life. He can be champion again but he's always gonna be a headcase. I wouldn't say his career has peaked but he can never be considered champ at 147 with Margo around. Maybe he needs to go to 154.
Probably Cintron wiilfeel more strong in JMW Div. , he will take use his High , maybe look much better in that weight......but have to change his mentality because in that Div. have more damn hard hitters , Do you imagine Cintron with Mayorga? .....LOLOL;D
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Cintron should stay at 147....he showed his chin is pretty damn good because those shots he took from Margarito were big power punches.
Cintron just needs to stay away from Margarito
Cintron looked pretty sloppy last night, and he didn't look like a guy with a big heart at all. He kept using his back of his head (which is a dumb thing to do) to block Margo's assaults. He's got power but his defense suck ass. Great game plan by Tony by jumping on Kermit right away.
I hope Cotto-Margarito happens this July. Can't wait!
Wouldn't surprise me if he took on Gomez for a confidence booster fight.
He's mentally fragile but he can beat any welterweight out there apart from Margarito, Cotto, Floyd, maybe Williams just with his power. He can have a Zab Judah-type career, failing in his big fights.
Cintron should try to fight CQ PW or the judah mosley winner if he can. He cant beat tony and most likely cant be PBF or cotto
I can agree with that to an extent...I think sometime soon Margarito, Williams, and Cotto will move up to 154 and if Cintron is still boxing he'd be a good guy to hold a belt there for a while OR he could jump up in weight but I just don't think that's a great idea because he's still trying to adapt to Manny's style of training.
If he doesn't learn to fight on the outside and stay on the outside then he's friggin helpless
it seems margarito has his number, but he's still a fighter who can hit the top tier and claim a title somewhere in the future, though his lack of mental power against margarito twice now does give a concern as to how he'll react when placed in a sim position..........if he picks himself up, goes back to the gym with a positive thought, he can learn, recover and bounce back soon. regardless of this loss he remains a exciting boxer with a big punch which always draws a crowd
He has height,one punch power,reach,experienced corner,physical conditioning and youth.Physically he is everything you could ask for.
It looked Last night yhat he was tentative from the start.He lacks confidence when the going gets tough.
He's a former wreslter maybe he should try MMA ;D
What amazed me about this fight was the disparity between the two fighters,
Margarito is on a completely different level to Cintron as was Gomez with Cotto. I actually come away from watching this fight believing the 147lb division is not as strong as most people think. Cintron is not going to beat any A list fighters at Welterweight and that includes Zab who would punish him too! Let's get it on with Cotto V Margo and the sooner the better to erase the memory of this disappointing night of one sided boxing.
Why was that disappointing??? Margarito and Cotto are just REALLY God damn good....that's the only reason they dominated.
Hell Cintron is a good fighter, he demolished Estrada who is a good fighter a tough guy. Gomez is down a weight class and he's a tough guy he has really improved over the years and he just didn't fight the right fight....it's like he was star struck "Wow Miguel Cotto is punching me in the face" ;D
Is Cintron a good fighter? Obviously he isn't at the elite level, that's why i say the Welterweight division is not as strong as people think and these top guys like Margo, Cotto, Floyd etc are light years ahead of the pack. I was disappointed because i paid for world championship boxing and got a training drill from Cotto instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Cintron was just a title holder the other day before Margarito got to him. Sure Cintron isn't up for beating Margarito but it doesn't mean he's a bum and it doesn't mean the division is weak either.
Cintron was only outmatched by 1 fighter it doesn't mean he couldn't beat someone else in the divison
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Originally Posted by Lyle
I can't even imagine the destruction that would occur if Cintron was to land on someone with those baby MMA gloves... maybe not such a bad idea!
Manny Steward fighters all seem to be very poor infighters.
maybe but Cintron is the one who wanted to fight on the inside to begin withQuote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
I don't think he wanted too.. I dont think he had the tools to keep Margarito off of him. I think he just gave up and settled on trying to land that big bomb
There are a few fights at 147 for Cintron, but I can't see him being in the top 5. Maybe he should try his luck at 154. I don't see Cotto, Margo, Floyd, or Mosely going to 154 until the smoke clears. His best chance at 147 is the winner of Quintana-Williams. Tony will more than likely fight Cotto, and If Mosely wins, he might get Floyd if he wins. Those are the likely scenarios, IMO. A win against someone decent at 154, and Cintron could try for a shot at Forrest. It's not like big names are knocking at his door right now.
You never know that could work for him :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
LOL Oh man Margo beat that ass up LOL
Thats what confused me because he looked like he had no chance but stayed in instead of keeping a safe and comfortable distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lylemaybe but Cintron is the one who wanted to fight on the inside to begin withQuote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Marg was Cintron's kryptonite. 2 things you have to consider:
1.) Not everyone would be able to take Kermit's power.
2.) Even if they could take his power,would they have the arsenal and the balls to stand with him and bang? Because long range,he's going to destroy you.
I think Cintron beats or gives dam tough fights to:
Clottey
Judah
the Williams that fought Quintana
Collazo
I don't think Kermit is the bum he's made out to be. I think his power can get him out of ALOT of trouble. I mean some of his ko'es are SCARY! It depends if he can rebound,he's cretainly young enough.
That's actually what I was gonna say. 147's just two deep with guys that are just a bit (or a whole lot) too good for him. If he stays at 147 try to get a shot with Zab, why not, maybe he could land a bomb. Maybe Paul Williams since he doesn't hit hard but that's still a tough fight. Maybe Collazo since that he's not gonna get punished or anything, he might just get outboxed. Stay away from PBF, Cotto, obviously Margarito, Mosley, Clottey, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
Would love to see Cintron vs Andre Berto. That would be a very good fight.
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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
think berto has a few more fights b4 he can try sum1 like citron...
citron took a fucking hellish beating before he was stopped, a lot of that was him being stupid, trying to go toe-to-toe to win the way he lost before.
cit has a load of class and a push that would destroy any normal fighter, maga is a freak and won purly because he is so fucking stupidly tough. it was clear citron was the better boxer in that fight to me.
i don't know where he should go, but a good start would be in the opposite direction of wherever margarito goes, he hit him with some really good shots and i'm not ever sure if tony knew...
I;m not to sure where he goes from here. He still has his power to give him a shot against most guys but the elite will take him out! There are still some attractive matches out there for him at 147. Judah, Quintana, Williams, Clottey & Collazo would all be entertaining.
He could even move to 154 where it isn't very stacked & make some noise!
He has the vulnerable Zab Judah look about him when things aren't going his way. Still a very good fighter though
There is Cotto if a little power / talented Contender guy gets a chance why not a 2 loss fighter. Besides Cotto has faced few bombers most of his opponents have had liittle ammunition with the exception of one who gave him a temporary beating. So Why not, he has a punches chance whisc better than the light hitting and fast fighters cotto has been able to steam roll.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Plus it would be a good tune up gauge before a Margarito vs Cotto fight. To see of Cotto could also end the fights in similar fashion.
i would like to see him fight at 154