If Tony Beats Cotto...it doesn't mean Cotto can't beat Floyd....

I'm saying this now JUST in case it happens so remember this. I saw Mick mention it and I was going to make a thread about it anyway. Say Tony beats Cotto,I don't want all the Floyd nuthuggers who have gone into hiding to come here and say Cotto was over rated blah blah blah. Styles make fights. Just because Tony may beat Cotto, does not mean Floyd would be able to beat him easily too.NO WAY.

I think Tony beats Cotto but I also think Cotto does better against Floyd. Timing and composure plus best jab in boxing would give Floyd a HEART ATTACK. So don't get it twisted. Cotto is still Floyd's toughest fight out there by far.

You wont get the chance to find out. Cotto wont get the Floyd fight if he loses to Tony.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I'm saying this now JUST in case it happens so remember this. I saw Mick mention it and I was going to make a thread about it anyway. Say Tony beats Cotto,I don't want all the Floyd nuthuggers who have gone into hiding to come here and say Cotto was over rated blah blah blah. Styles make fights. Just because Tony may beat Cotto, does not mean Floyd would be able to beat him easily too.NO WAY.

I think Tony beats Cotto but I also think Cotto does better against Floyd. Timing and composure plus best jab in boxing would give Floyd a HEART ATTACK. So don't get it twisted. Cotto is still Floyd's toughest fight out there by far.

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Gamo, normally I'd agree with you 100% about the whole "styles make fights" thing, but in this case I have to disagree.

If Cotto is a true superstar elite fighter (which I think he is), then he must beat a fighter like Margarito. And if he can't beat a fighter of Margarito's level, I don't see how he beats a fighter of Mayweather's level, regardless of style matchups.

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I'm saying this now JUST in case it happens so remember this. I saw Mick mention it and I was going to make a thread about it anyway. Say Tony beats Cotto,I don't want all the Floyd nuthuggers who have gone into hiding to come here and say Cotto was over rated blah blah blah. Styles make fights. Just because Tony may beat Cotto, does not mean Floyd would be able to beat him easily too.NO WAY.

I think Tony beats Cotto but I also think Cotto does better against Floyd. Timing and composure plus best jab in boxing would give Floyd a HEART ATTACK. So don't get it twisted. Cotto is still Floyd's toughest fight out there by far.

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Well , i going say that Cotto , Margarito and Mayweather have different styles , probably we will see Cotto/Margaro with the same style and one of them could get a real KO , but if we see Cotto/Mayweather we will going see probably a UD , because Floyd obviously going outbox Cotto , but i will see cotto by UD because we know that Cotto can box with whoever in his front too and Floyd/Margaro we will going see a UD by Floyd , we know that Margaro don't have boxing and is slow , he will going put pressure , but with frustration , so i mean if Cotto lose with Margaro it doesn't mean that he don't have a chance to defeat Floyd , we cant analyse this just by Level of them because they for me are in the same Level , we can add a features of them to see how probably they have for win to ones of his opponents too.......That's what i guess..........

Mayweather beats them all.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I'm saying this now JUST in case it happens so remember this. I saw Mick mention it and I was going to make a thread about it anyway. Say Tony beats Cotto,I don't want all the Floyd nuthuggers who have gone into hiding to come here and say Cotto was over rated blah blah blah. Styles make fights. Just because Tony may beat Cotto, does not mean Floyd would be able to beat him easily too.NO WAY.

I think Tony beats Cotto but I also think Cotto does better against Floyd. Timing and composure plus best jab in boxing would give Floyd a HEART ATTACK. So don't get it twisted. Cotto is still Floyd's toughest fight out there by far.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

You wont get the chance to find out. Cotto wont get the Floyd fight if he loses to Tony.

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I agree with both of these,I think Tony will beat Cotto,but I give Cotto just as much chance as Tony against Floyd,I think both would give him a decent fight (I dont see either beating him though) Doubt Cotto will get near Floyd if he loses 2 Tony tbh!

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Mayweather beats them all.

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not a popular opinion but i agree, but cotto i belive would have a much better chance.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I'm saying this now JUST in case it happens so remember this. I saw Mick mention it and I was going to make a thread about it anyway. Say Tony beats Cotto,I don't want all the Floyd nuthuggers who have gone into hiding to come here and say Cotto was over rated blah blah blah. Styles make fights. Just because Tony may beat Cotto, does not mean Floyd would be able to beat him easily too.NO WAY.

I think Tony beats Cotto but I also think Cotto does better against Floyd. Timing and composure plus best jab in boxing would give Floyd a HEART ATTACK. So don't get it twisted. Cotto is still Floyd's toughest fight out there by far.

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Gamo, normally I'd agree with you 100% about the whole "styles make fights" thing, but in this case I have to disagree.

If Cotto is a true superstar elite fighter (which I think he is), then he must beat a fighter like Margarito. And if he can't beat a fighter of Margarito's level, I don't see how he beats a fighter of Mayweather's level, regardless of style matchups.

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Why is everyone hating on Tony so much? I agree that he's slower and in a sense more one dimensional but, the guy bangs! Tell me if either fighter (Floyd or Cotto) can do what is necessary to beat Marg. and if you dont know what that is ask PW, it would only take just over 1000 punches in the fight to beat Marg...niether Cotto nor Floyd have that work rate. Floyd is slick and he's quicker so thats an easier fight for him but Cotto isnt that quick and he doesnt like to run and niether have faced a puncher like Cotto period. Marg. is the hardest puncher in the ww division. Not Oscar, Zab, Mayorga, Mosley, or anyone else in that division is the puncher that Marg. is, if he was such an easy fight he would not have been the most avoided fighter in boxing.

Don't get me wrong if anyone has a chance of beating Mayweather it's Cotto but I pick Mayweather to beat both of them.

I agree Cotto has a better chance but I would prefer any of these two to fight and test Mayweather than ODH and Hatton.

THIS IS A FRESH NEWS GUYS.............................................
Well Cotto is Ready for get Rest at least now.............
" Was an exhaustion year , after of Christmas Vacation , i could train more focus and peaceful for Gomez......
" Now i know that another extremely and hard fights comes for me , i will be in rest for the next 2 or 3 weeks that fallow and then start again to the Gym "........For get ready to that fight that all people want see , i guaranties that going be a tremendous fight ".........commented Cotto in an interview in P.R.........;D

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On the contrary, are the Cotto nuthuggers now scared that he will lose? LOL. Floyd beats them both, but in all fairness, styles have alot to do with fights, and Cotto would pose more of a threat to Floyd than Tony, even if he loses to Tony. I can't see Tony beating Floyd ever.

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Why is everyone hating on Tony so much? I agree that he's slower and in a sense more one dimensional but, the guy bangs!

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Who's hating on him? All I said was that he's not an elite superstar. Is that hating?

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Tell me if either fighter (Floyd or Cotto) can do what is necessary to beat Marg. and if you dont know what that is ask PW, it would only take just over 1000 punches in the fight to beat Marg...niether Cotto nor Floyd have that work rate.

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It takes over 1000 punches to beat Margarito if you're a fighter like Paul Williams, who doesn't have much power and doesn't know how to make his opponent miss. Floyd wouldn't need Williams' workrate because he would know how to make Margarito miss, and Cotto doesn't need Williams' workrate because his punches are much harder and sharper.

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Floyd is slick and he's quicker so thats an easier fight for him but Cotto isnt that quick and he doesnt like to run and niether have faced a puncher like Cotto period.

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I don't know what this sentence means.

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Marg. is the hardest puncher in the ww division.

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No he's not. He's the most active puncher in the welterweight division. Big difference.

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Not Oscar, Zab, Mayorga, Mosley, or anyone else in that division is the puncher that Marg. is,

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Both Cotto and Cintron punch harder than Margarito.

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Why is everyone hating on Tony so much? I agree that he's slower and in a sense more one dimensional but, the guy bangs!

Who's hating on him? All I said was that he's not an elite superstar. Is that hating?

what constitues an ellit fighter??? Rank, record, opponents faced???

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Tell me if either fighter (Floyd or Cotto) can do what is necessary to beat Marg. and if you dont know what that is ask PW, it would only take just over 1000 punches in the fight to beat Marg...niether Cotto nor Floyd have that work rate.
It takes over 1000 punches to beat Margarito if you're a fighter like Paul Williams, who doesn't have much power and doesn't know how to make his opponent miss. Floyd wouldn't need Williams' workrate because he would know how to make Margarito miss, and Cotto doesn't need Williams' workrate because his punches are much harder and sharper.

I would agree with you there but if Cotto and Cintron have the same punch power, Cotto is going to need to work alittle bit more, because Marg. walked through Cintrons punches.


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Floyd is slick and he's quicker so thats an easier fight for him but Cotto isnt that quick and he doesnt like to run and niether have faced a puncher like Cotto period.
I don't know what this sentence means.

I mean to say a puncher like Marg.


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Marg. is the hardest puncher in the ww division.
No he's not. He's the most active puncher in the welterweight division. Big difference.


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Not Oscar, Zab, Mayorga, Mosley, or anyone else in that division is the puncher that Marg. is,
Both Cotto and Cintron punch harder than Margarito.

Again if Cintron and Cotto have anywhere near the same punch power, Cotto is in deep doodoo. Besides I know for sure that Cintron is not as strong as Marg. Cotto maybe but he wont KO Marg.

Floyd is all about $$$...hence...he will most likely never fight Tony. If Tony upsets Cotto and makes it clear he is the man at WW....there might be a small chance he will get a fight with Mayweather...but i doubt it. Tony isn't a superstar and he doesn't have a huge fan base. Cotto is the rising superstar and he does have a huge fan base. That being said, i think Tony would be way over his head fighting Floyd. And as good a fighter as Cotto is...i can't see him beating Floyd either. Sure, Cotto has an excellent jab (and a jab is key to having success against Floyd). But he doesn't have great speed and is still open to getting hit. It would be a good fight no doubt. But Floyd is still to slick and fast for him.

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Again if Cintron and Cotto have anywhere near the same punch power, Cotto is in deep doodoo.

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Why would Cotto be in "deep doodoo?"

Cotto is a far superior technical boxer. He might not have better one punch KO power than Cintron, but he's a far superior offensive fighter with many more weapons.

Cintron needed to be able to badly hurt Margarito with one punch to win. Cotto doesn't need to do that. He's a well-rounded boxer, not a raw puncher.

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I'm saying this now JUST in case it happens so remember this. I saw Mick mention it and I was going to make a thread about it anyway. Say Tony beats Cotto,I don't want all the Floyd nuthuggers who have gone into hiding to come here and say Cotto was over rated blah blah blah. Styles make fights. Just because Tony may beat Cotto, does not mean Floyd would be able to beat him easily too.NO WAY.

I think Tony beats Cotto but I also think Cotto does better against Floyd. Timing and composure plus best jab in boxing would give Floyd a HEART ATTACK. So don't get it twisted. Cotto is still Floyd's toughest fight out there by far.

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Gamo, normally I'd agree with you 100% about the whole "styles make fights" thing, but in this case I have to disagree.

If Cotto is a true superstar elite fighter (which I think he is), then he must beat a fighter like Margarito. And if he can't beat a fighter of Margarito's level, I don't see how he beats a fighter of Mayweather's level, regardless of style matchups.

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As I said in the other thread...

Emile lost to Carter when Carter had like 20 fights and Emile was already World Class. Still Emile bounced back and beat Archer, Rodriguez, Benvenutti and Tiger.

Arguello lost right in the middle of his great reign to Vilomar but went on to beat Escalera, Limon, Chacon, Mancini and so on and so on.....

People gotta understand sometimes and I've been like this myself that because a fighter looses to someone then he's done or that means he can't beat anyonelse.

Kid Gavilan, Carlos Ortiz and many fighters all lost during their reigns and some in their primes BUT what makes them great is that they bounced back and beat the then World Champ and I think the assesment made here is fair and it makes sense because it happens.

Because Tony beat Cintron that doesn't everyone else can beat him it just so happens that Tonys chin + his output is Cintrons weakness.
I'm almost certain that would Cintron have hit Zab, SSM, Cotto, Carlos and anyone else he would have either dropped them or at least shook them up cause they don't have Tonys chin.

Fenster is right, the point is moot from the very first sentence because there is no way Cotto gets a shot at Mayweather if he loses to Margarito.

I don't think he will, I think stylistically Cotto matches up better with Margarito then he does Mayweather.

From what i saw in Cotto's post fight interview...he looked as if he wanted no part of Mayweather.

The more I think about it I think Cotto matches up pretty well with Margarito. I think he can box and move a bit but also stand his ground, get there quicker with the straighter punches. Watch out for the uppercut.

But obviously Fenster's right, its a moot point if he loses.

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People gotta understand sometimes and I've been like this myself that because a fighter looses to someone then he's done or that means he can't beat anyonelse.

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I definitely understand this. But the point is that there is a big enough gap in talent between Margarito and Floyd, that if Cotto can't beat Margarito, it's reasonable to assume he can't beat Floyd.

It's not like Margarito presents some awkward style that could give Cotto fits. Cotto is superior in every aspect to Margarito. More power, faster hands, better jab, more offensive variety, better defense, etc. Margarito has the type of style that should allow Cotto to show off all his skills. If Cotto can't do that against Margarito, then he's not as good as we thought.

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People gotta understand sometimes and I've been like this myself that because a fighter looses to someone then he's done or that means he can't beat anyonelse.

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I definitely understand this. But the point is that there is a big enough gap in talent between Margarito and Floyd, that if Cotto can't beat Margarito, it's reasonable to assume he can't beat Floyd.

It's not like Margarito presents some awkward style that could give Cotto fits. Cotto is superior in every aspect to Margarito. More power, faster hands, better jab, more offensive variety, better defense, etc. Margarito has the type of style that should allow Cotto to show off all his skills. If Cotto can't do that against Margarito, then he's not as good as we thought.

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Yes. You don't need a Max Kellerman-like knowledge of boxing to see that Cotto is superior to Margarito. But Cotto would definitely lose to Floyd.

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People gotta understand sometimes and I've been like this myself that because a fighter looses to someone then he's done or that means he can't beat anyonelse.

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I definitely understand this. But the point is that there is a big enough gap in talent between Margarito and Floyd, that if Cotto can't beat Margarito, it's reasonable to assume he can't beat Floyd.

It's not like Margarito presents some awkward style that could give Cotto fits. Cotto is superior in every aspect to Margarito. More power, faster hands, better jab, more offensive variety, better defense, etc. Margarito has the type of style that should allow Cotto to show off all his skills. If Cotto can't do that against Margarito, then he's not as good as we thought.

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I agree with everything you say...BUT...while Cotto is a more superior fighter than Tony...Cotto still is open to get hit. This always is a concern for me. So while on paper he can out box Tony all day....it just takes that one punch to turn things around. And sure, Cotto isn't slow...but he aint fast either. Against Floyd...that would be exposed.

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And sure, Cotto isn't slow...but he aint fast either. Against Floyd...that would be exposed.

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I think Cotto has above-average speed. I don't think it would be wrong to call him "fast." Did Cotto look slower against Judah? Yes, of course, because Zab has lightning-fast handspeed. Would Cotto look like the slower man in the ring against Floyd? Yes, because Floyd is lightning-fast. But Cotto would look fast against just about anyone else. His speed looked good against Mosley, who is considered an above-average fighter in terms of speed.

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And sure, Cotto isn't slow...but he aint fast either. Against Floyd...that would be exposed.

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I think Cotto has above-average speed. I don't think it would be wrong to call him "fast." Did Cotto look slower against Judah? Yes, of course, because Zab has lightning-fast handspeed. Would Cotto look like the slower man in the ring against Floyd? Yes, because Floyd is lightning-fast. But Cotto would look fast against just about anyone else. His speed looked good against Mosley, who is considered an above-average fighter in terms of speed.

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I agree. I don't think he is a slow fighter. But he doesn't have the speed and fluidity to beat a guy like Mayweather. In all honesty...if Zab had half a brain and better composure he would have beaten Cotto. As for Shane...i had the fight a draw. Yes, Shane is known for his speed. But in that fight it clearly showed he has slowed down considerably...yet he was still effective against Cotto. I'm not trying to knock Cotto...i think he is a great fighter...and i do think he would give Floyd a tough match. But i just think he will have a tough time against a fast, skilled, and smart fighter. And i am still not completely sold on his defense and chin. So while he might have great skills....he could potentially be in trouble against a big puncher...whether that's Tony...we have to wait and see.

I agree with Gamo 100%. If Cotto loses to Margo, how can Floyd say Cotto doesn't deserve to fight him, considering Floyd has ducked Margarito for years? People say Floyd defeats Margo, but that has never been proven in the ring, and we know Margo would give a better performance than Baldomir, Gatti, Mitchell, Brusseles, Hatton, and yes, de la Hoya. If Margo beats Cotto, then he definitely deserves first crack at Floyd, but I doubt Floyd wants to fight Margo at all.

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I agree with Gamo 100%. If Cotto loses to Margo, how can Floyd say Cotto doesn't deserve to fight him, considering Floyd has ducked Margarito for years? People say Floyd defeats Margo, but that has never been proven in the ring, and we know Margo would give a better performance than Baldomir, Gatti, Mitchell, Brusseles, Hatton, and yes, de la Hoya. If Margo beats Cotto, then he definitely deserves first crack at Floyd, but I doubt Floyd wants to fight Margo at all.

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I disagree with that. I don't think Margarito - Mayweather ever happens even if Margarito somehow beats Cotto and perosnally I don't really care. I don't think Margarito would win more then 3 rounds versus Mayweather. Don't think he would fare as well as DLH or Hatton.

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People gotta understand sometimes and I've been like this myself that because a fighter looses to someone then he's done or that means he can't beat anyonelse.

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I definitely understand this. But the point is that there is a big enough gap in talent between Margarito and Floyd, that if Cotto can't beat Margarito, it's reasonable to assume he can't beat Floyd.

It's not like Margarito presents some awkward style that could give Cotto fits. Cotto is superior in every aspect to Margarito. More power, faster hands, better jab, more offensive variety, better defense, etc. Margarito has the type of style that should allow Cotto to show off all his skills. If Cotto can't do that against Margarito, then he's not as good as we thought.

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The talent gap between Vilomar and Mancini or Escalera was how far apart?

Duran beat SRL, SRL beat Hearns now that didn't mean that when Duran fought Hearns that he was gonna win did it?

So because Cotto loses to Margarito that doesn't mean he can't beat PBF.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I'm saying this now JUST in case it happens so remember this. I saw Mick mention it and I was going to make a thread about it anyway. Say Tony beats Cotto,I don't want all the Floyd nuthuggers who have gone into hiding to come here and say Cotto was over rated blah blah blah. Styles make fights. Just because Tony may beat Cotto, does not mean Floyd would be able to beat him easily too.NO WAY.

I think Tony beats Cotto but I also think Cotto does better against Floyd. Timing and composure plus best jab in boxing would give Floyd a HEART ATTACK. So don't get it twisted. Cotto is still Floyd's toughest fight out there by far.

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Gamo, normally I'd agree with you 100% about the whole "styles make fights" thing, but in this case I have to disagree.

If Cotto is a true superstar elite fighter (which I think he is), then he must beat a fighter like Margarito. And if he can't beat a fighter of Margarito's level, I don't see how he beats a fighter of Mayweather's level, regardless of style matchups.

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yup!

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People gotta understand sometimes and I've been like this myself that because a fighter looses to someone then he's done or that means he can't beat anyonelse.

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I definitely understand this. But the point is that there is a big enough gap in talent between Margarito and Floyd, that if Cotto can't beat Margarito, it's reasonable to assume he can't beat Floyd.

It's not like Margarito presents some awkward style that could give Cotto fits. Cotto is superior in every aspect to Margarito. More power, faster hands, better jab, more offensive variety, better defense, etc. Margarito has the type of style that should allow Cotto to show off all his skills. If Cotto can't do that against Margarito, then he's not as good as we thought.

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The talent gap between Vilomar and Mancini or Escalera was how far apart?

Duran beat SRL, SRL beat Hearns now that didn't mean that when Duran fought Hearns that he was gonna win did it?

So because Cotto loses to Margarito that doesn't mean he can't beat PBF.

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This is different though because this is a case where Margarito isn't your traditional "trap" fight which a lot of those were. Margarito isn't some unknown and the reasons most of the fighters you named were expecting to roll right over their opponents, not evaluating the threats they possessed. This happened with Cotto and Torres, someone he showed no respect for his power and then found out the hard way he could bang. Torres was a low profile guy, good but most expected a Cotto beating to be unleashed.

He knows Tony is a tough guy but he is better, he should know that he will have to be in top form and as a champion, that's what is expected of him.

Cotto needs to do what is expected of him in beating Tony otherwise how could we ever believe he expects to beat Mayweather? And that's a valid point. No matter what Cotto will have the chance to beat Maweather but realistically, he can't lose to Margarito and expect to beat Floyd.

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Duran beat SRL, SRL beat Hearns now that didn't mean that when Duran fought Hearns that he was gonna win did it?

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This is a completely different situation though. Leonard, Duran and Hearns were all on a similar level. They were all elite all-time great fighters, and since they were all on a similar level, style matchups came into play.

That's my point here.... Mayweather, Cotto, and Margarito are not all on similar levels. Mayweather is an elite fighter. Margarito is a very good professional fighter, but not elite. Cotto is a very very good fighter who has shown many signs of being an elite fighter. If Cotto can't beat Margarito, who is a clear level or two below Mayweather, then there's no reason to believe Cotto can beat Mayweather.

Generally speaking, upsets occur for one of three reasons:
1. The favorite comes in unprepared and/or out of shape
2. The underdog has a style that is tailor-made to give the favorite problems
3. The favorite isn't as good as we thought he was

#1 and #2 do not apply to Cotto-Margarito. Cotto is a pro who shows up focused and in-shape. This is a big PPV fight that's already being billed as a FOTY candidate. Cotto isn't going to show up unprepared or out of shape.
Margarito does not have the type of style to give Cotto fits. Margarito shows very little movement and is right there to be hit all night long. Margarito is a high-contact fighter, and that should allow Cotto to show off his superior offensive arsenal all night long.

Which leaves only #3. If Cotto loses, it won't be because he's out-of-shape, it won't be because he's unprepared, it won't be because of a bad style matchup. If he loses, it will mean that he's closer to Margarito's "very good" level, and not close to Mayweather's "elite" level.

I completely understand your point that we often overreact to one loss on a fighter's record. That is absolutely true and I've been guilty of it before. I also completely agree with your statement that just because A beats B, and B beats C, that doesn't mean A automatically beats C. But in this particular case, I think the only type of fighter than can beat Mayweather right now is a Top 5 PFP star fighter, and if Cotto is really a Top 5 PFP star fighter (which I believe he is), then he has no excuse to lose to Margarito, who is very good, but not THAT good.

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Duran beat SRL, SRL beat Hearns now that didn't mean that when Duran fought Hearns that he was gonna win did it?

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This is a completely different situation though. Leonard, Duran and Hearns were all on a similar level. They were all elite all-time great fighters, and since they were all on a similar level, style matchups came into play.

That's my point here.... Mayweather, Cotto, and Margarito are not all on similar levels. Mayweather is an elite fighter. Margarito is a very good professional fighter, but not elite. Cotto is a very very good fighter who has shown many signs of being an elite fighter. If Cotto can't beat Margarito, who is a clear level or two below Mayweather, then there's no reason to believe Cotto can beat Mayweather.

Generally speaking, upsets occur for one of three reasons:
1. The favorite comes in unprepared and/or out of shape
2. The underdog has a style that is tailor-made to give the favorite problems
3. The favorite isn't as good as we thought he was

#1 and #2 do not apply to Cotto-Margarito. Cotto is a pro who shows up focused and in-shape. This is a big PPV fight that's already being billed as a FOTY candidate. Cotto isn't going to show up unprepared or out of shape.
Margarito does not have the type of style to give Cotto fits. Margarito shows very little movement and is right there to be hit all night long. Margarito is a high-contact fighter, and that should allow Cotto to show off his superior offensive arsenal all night long.

Which leaves only #3. If Cotto loses, it won't be because he's out-of-shape, it won't be because he's unprepared, it won't be because of a bad style matchup. If he loses, it will mean that he's closer to Margarito's "very good" level, and not close to Mayweather's "elite" level.

I completely understand your point that we often overreact to one loss on a fighter's record. That is absolutely true and I've been guilty of it before. I also completely agree with your statement that just because A beats B, and B beats C, that doesn't mean A automatically beats C. But in this particular case, I think the only type of fighter than can beat Mayweather right now is a Top 5 PFP star fighter, and if Cotto is really a Top 5 PFP star fighter (which I believe he is), then he has no excuse to lose to Margarito, who is very good, but not THAT good.

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Well we can be here ALL week and until the end of this year going back and forth supporting each others theory and in the end I don't think your wrong nore Am I. It's just a matter of POV, I for one think that beating one fighter does not mean you can beat the next just because the consensus says the fighter you beat is better then the next or visa versa.

Regardless of how 1 may see it, I think that loosing to 1 fighter does not mean you cant beat the best. Cause I can be here naming example after example and you'll just come up with reasons to how they differ.
From records, to styles to names etc. etc. etc.

Sweet,
I don't wanna get too much into #1 and your statements about Cotto but what if I told you that Cottos not really what he's been made out to be. I've tried to keep my mouth shut for a while but it seems like little by little it's all coming out. Reports of him at bars/clubs drinking and womanizing have surged in the past months. If you run some searches I'm sure you'll come across it.

Floyd fans are silly. If they think Floyd can beat an opponent easily,they say he's not worth fighting(or act that way). What dumbass thinking.

And IF Tony beats Cotto,I guarantee he would do better than Hatto,Baldo etc v Floyd.A mARGARITO WOULD BE MORE INTERESTING THAN A REMATCH V hATTON WHO IS SHITE AT 147 OR A totally WEIGHT DRAINED oSCAR AT 147. Margarito would reck both of those guys tt 147.If it was as easy as some of you buthuggers said,Floyd wouldn't have turned down an $8mill payday for such an easy nights work would he?:rolleyes: