If Pavlik gets past the game Lockett, The Calzaghe fight should take place. I like Joe but I think Pavlik would stop Calzaghe late.
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If Pavlik gets past the game Lockett, The Calzaghe fight should take place. I like Joe but I think Pavlik would stop Calzaghe late.
Kelly's hands are too heavy to get to Joe, I think Calzaghe is too quick and too accurate to be beaten by the young Kelly Pavlik.
Sure Hopkins knocked Joe down HOWEVER Hopkins landed a good counter but Kelly doesn't have the ability to do such a thing.
Based on what I saw tonight, I just don't see how Joe can earn Pavlik's respect in there. Pavlik would hunt him down.
Both Hopkins and Joe looked old tonight.
Pavlik by KO.
I saw a cocky Calzaghe tonight. He will get clocked big time if he put both of his hands down against Pavlik.
Calzaghe UD.
Calzaghe cant stick around too long now. Jones and Pavlik and time to call it a day.
Hahahaah;)
Already its started;)
Sorry guys, you just dont get it do you?
Without being rude here...i dont think you understand who JOE CALZAGHE IS!
He can adapt to anything.
I still cant believe people just dont learn. He beat lacy when everyone said hed get beat.
Then he beat kessler when everyone said hed get beat.
Then he beat bhop after the doubters said hed get beat.
LOOK AT THE PATTERN EMMERGING HERE???!!!
Any betting man would clearly see this emmerging pattern and then say 'calzaghe will beat pavlik'.
I think joe will beat pavlik convingly because pavlik would get forced to fight joe's fight and lose.
We just saw that bhop could not control calzaghe and calzaghe adapted to win that fight...he will beat pavlik v convingly in my opinion.
BUT I'LL SAY THIS!!!
EVEN WHEN CALZAGHES BEATS ROY JONES AND BEATS PAVLIK, THERE WILL STILL BE THE DOUBTERS AND HATERS...SORRY GUYS BUT YOU NEVER LEARN DO YOU...YOU REALLY DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT JOE CALZAGHE IS ABOUT!!!
Don't get me wrong my friend, Joe is the real deal. But I think Pavlik would be to much for CalzagheQuote:
Originally Posted by LondonBB
Unbelievable. There are many Calzaghe haters in here. Give the man his props you frigging ingrates.
Fairplay to you mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoyDon't get me wrong my friend, Joe is the real deal. But I think Pavlik would be to much for CalzagheQuote:
Originally Posted by LondonBB
We are entitled to our different opinions, i respect that:)
But id have to disagree.
Although i really like pavlik as a fighter, he is exciting and prob my second fav boxer around atm. I cant see joe losing this matchup heres why:
It will be at super middle i presume? Or a catch weight?
Calzaghe will come into the middle of the ring and start brawling with kelly. He has more speed than kelly aswell as more ring craft and more experience, this brawling and tactical experience will prevail.
Look how taylor dropped pavlik in the second round of ther first fight. In the middle of the ring, taylor was faster and had a higher work rate (only for first 4 rounds until his useless stamina caught up with him). Against calzaghe i think it would be like this all night long though, unless calzaghe started countering.
Against nard calzaghe had a v tough job to adapt his style to beat nard. Against pavlik he doesnt need to adapt, he knows what to do from the very beggining.
Pavlik doesnt have the skill i dont think to match joe in a toe to toe bout and joe is too clever to start going on the ropes against kelly. He doesnt tire out like taylor did and can find his range a lot better.
Id say calzaghe will beat everyone who he fights.
It will be a very tempting deal for pavlik because to be unbeaten yourself and as a young fighter if he managed to beat joe calzaghe he would instantly be a hall of famer basically...imagine if pavlik beats calzaghe, kessler and bute!
But its not gonna happen. Pavik will get beat and joe calzaghe will retire after beating jones and hopkins.
The haters (not reffering to u here mate) will keep hating on him even though he will retire 47,0,0 and have beaten eubank, reid, lacy, mitchell, kessler, hopkins, jones and pavlik in his career. Theyll still hate him and criticise even though it kind of speaks for itself.
calzaghe UD
I've said it time and time again,Kelly is a monster and would batter AA and Sturm but Joe C would be too fast for him. Kelly likes to plant his feet to gain power,Joe would be using angles. The southpaw stance,the accuracy,Joe would win this fight,no doubt in my mind. Would be a cracker though,because Kelly's jab would land and give him a chance.
Pavlik would stop Calzaghe, Hopkins right hand constantly got there and he stunned Calzaghe a few times, and lets remember Hopkins has not been a big puncher for quite some time. If Pavlik is able to constantly land the right hand as Hopkins did i think he stops Calzaghe.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoy
This sort of thread followed by similar comments have been seen before...Usually they end up buried in saddo's database, never to be bumped again after jc demolishes the fighter...yet again...
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Originally Posted by miles
Those are the two fights I wasnt too then retire undefeated .
Jones is too old and it may be a similar fight to last night but not as dirty . Joe outpoints Jones.
The Pac fight will be interesting but Pav is pretty crude and I think he'll be easy to outbox. Joe would be too quick for him , mark him up then take him out . Taylor let Pav off teh hook when he had him down but Joe doesnt gas out like Jermain so I think Joe stops Pav in 10 rounds.
Just because people pick a guy to beat Calzaghe doesn't make them haters bro', so get off your high horse and relax.Quote:
Originally Posted by JLAQ
Hopkins doesn't throw as many punches as Pavlik does, and though a better counter puncher and strategist than Pavlik, doesn't bring the fight in your face all night.
Pavlik is slower and more cumbersome, but makes up for it in sheer volume and is constantly attacking. Joe was getting rocked whenever Hopkins did throw that straight right last night; and I think with the sheer volume rate of Pavlik, will eat many more than Hopkins fed him. Joe doesn't have much power and certainly won't knock Pavlik out, though the opposite could be said for Pavlik.
Joe likes taking people to the ropes to beat on them, but news flash, Pavlik will gladly sit around by the ropes to trade with Joe. Though, Taylor showed that if you box Pavlik from the middle of the ring, you could definately make Pavlik look "simple" at times. If Joe does that he could probably win a fairly easy points UD; though I think Joe will do his usual hunting to the ropes and Pavlik will catch up to him at some point. Alot of it depends on Calzaghe's approach.
Congrats to Calzaghe though for his win; I picked Hop to win but am glad I was wrong.
The mind games Joe plays IN the ring are just as effective as the mind games Bernard plays OUT of the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
You saw what happened when Pavlik tried to showboat infront of the lighter hitting Jermain Taylor.....I think Joe could do that and finish him off as well.
There is nothing like a southpaw with quick hands to ruin your day
Before last night I'd pick Joe by decision, if he turns up as overconfident and sluggish as last nigh he gets KTFO. And I'm as big a fan of Joe as there is on this board.
I'm always pleasantly amazed when a boxing fan can put his logic ahead of his heart, in discussing a potential matchup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
But it's a totally different fight, look at Lacy and Kessler when they came to Joe, Joe was more on his game and better able to do what he wanted to do. Hopkins made Joe chase him and it was harder for him to win in a convincing manner.
Kelly knows only one way to fight and honestly he's going to be beaten sooner rather than later the only reason he's a champion is because JT didn't box him good enough and didn't have the stamina to keep him off....I don't forsee Calzaghe having those issues. Sure Kelly has tons of power and is a beast but IMO he's also unpolished in his approach and Joe would take advantage of that.
Kelly will also not have a huge size advantage as well, sure he's taller but Joe will be just as heavy
Your thinking is exactly the same as mine. I would never have given Pavlik a chance before. Joe just seemed to have lost much as his speed and oomph last night. I can see Bernard negating his punch output, but not his speed and reflexes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
Pavlik is 10 years his Junior and although still green, has the same tenacity that Joe has always shown, but with more pop to his punches.
Joe is a southpaw though and I am still wondering how Pavlik will deal with them. We do know that straight right will be launching regardless.
People need to realize that Joe is approaching the age where his reflexes will slow down. I would not give Pavlik a chance in hell against Joe under normal circumstances. To me though, he is starting to show his age.
That would have been exactly my prediction before last night. I know stylistically they're very different, but Calzaghe needs to go back and concentrate on speed only, if he tries to plant his fight without going straight back out again he will be in trouble against Pavlik, and Kelly will keep coming for the full twelve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Jc needs to be at his ABSOLUTE best, with full concentration, to beat pavlik IMO, I just get the feeling he believes his own hype too much since Kessler, he wasn't sharp at all last night.
They both looked old and slow. I thought Calzaghe was supposed to have lightning hands. I saw that slow motion of a flurry that he threw and none of them landed. I thought he looked like a kitten pawing at a toy. Hopkins hurt Joe a few times even though Joe has too much pride and does not admit it. I wonder what a guy with a iron chin. World class boxing skills and one the hardest hitting guys pound for pound would do to him. I just do not seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Calzaghe hurting Pavlik at all. I do however see Pavlik hurting Calzaghe. The best man Joe has faced is a middle aged man. Come on. Now he wants Jones Jr. Soon he will be cruising the retirement homes looking for former champs. I hope Kelly Pavlik destroys Lockett in a Cotto Gomez type fashion . And hopefully that would light a fire under Joe's and Enzo's ass.
Good point, his combinations aren't as fast and venomous as they used to be. When he was at his physical peak, it was this aspect that gave him such and advantage when in the trenches. He couldn't match Kessler when trading, and a 43 year old Hopkins was up to the job last night as well. He CAN beat Pavlik, but only by boxing from the outside going in and out like he did in the middle rounds against Kessler.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314They both looked old and slow. I thought Calzaghe was supposed to have lightning hands. I saw that slow motion of a flurry that he threw and none of them landed. I thought he looked like a kitten pawing at a toy. Hopkins hurt Joe a few times even though Joe has too much pride and does not admit it. I wonder what a guy with a iron chin. World class boxing skills and one the hardest hitting guys pound for pound would do to him. I just do not seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Calzaghe hurting Pavlik at all. I do however see Pavlik hurting Calzaghe. The best man Joe has faced is a middle aged man. Come on. Now he wants Jones Jr. Soon he will be cruising the retirement homes looking for former champs. I hope Kelly Pavlik destroys Lockett in a Cotto Gomez type fashion . And hopefully that would light a fire under Joe's and Enzo's ass.
Pavliks jab and his range would play a factor. Pavlik would do the oppisite of Hopkins. He will move forward into punches(we all saw that in the Miranda fight) and he will use his range in the middle of the ring. Kelly Pavlik will be by far the best fighter I believe Calzaghe will face.Hopkins and Jones of the 90's would have been a different story. They both are aged and slower. I would say that the Roy Jones I saw in the 1990's was the best boxer I have ever scene. It would be a huge test for both of them and a great fight for the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by BompGood point, his combinations aren't as fast and venomous as they used to be. When he was at his physical peak, it was this aspect that gave him such and advantage when in the trenches. He couldn't match Kessler when trading, and a 43 year old Hopkins was up to the job last night as well. He CAN beat Pavlik, but only by boxing from the outside going in and out like he did in the middle rounds against Kessler.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314They both looked old and slow. I thought Calzaghe was supposed to have lightning hands. I saw that slow motion of a flurry that he threw and none of them landed. I thought he looked like a kitten pawing at a toy. Hopkins hurt Joe a few times even though Joe has too much pride and does not admit it. I wonder what a guy with a iron chin. World class boxing skills and one the hardest hitting guys pound for pound would do to him. I just do not seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Calzaghe hurting Pavlik at all. I do however see Pavlik hurting Calzaghe. The best man Joe has faced is a middle aged man. Come on. Now he wants Jones Jr. Soon he will be cruising the retirement homes looking for former champs. I hope Kelly Pavlik destroys Lockett in a Cotto Gomez type fashion . And hopefully that would light a fire under Joe's and Enzo's ass.
The poll at the minute is 14 to 10 in Pavlik's favour seems after saturday night some people are losing faith in Calzaghe.
It's not lost faith, it's honest realisation that his best days are behind him, physically anyway.
I totally agree http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4KsWV2gtIQuote:
Originally Posted by southakron314Pavliks jab and his range would play a factor. Pavlik would do the oppisite of Hopkins. He will move forward into punches(we all saw that in the Miranda fight) and he will use his range in the middle of the ring. Kelly Pavlik will be by far the best fighter I believe Calzaghe will face.Hopkins and Jones of the 90's would have been a different story. They both are aged and slower. I would say that the Roy Jones I saw in the 1990's was the best boxer I have ever scene. It would be a huge test for both of them and a great fight for the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by BompGood point, his combinations aren't as fast and venomous as they used to be. When he was at his physical peak, it was this aspect that gave him such and advantage when in the trenches. He couldn't match Kessler when trading, and a 43 year old Hopkins was up to the job last night as well. He CAN beat Pavlik, but only by boxing from the outside going in and out like he did in the middle rounds against Kessler.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
I just thought some of you would like these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twidZp1ePUk
This one Lockett says Calzaghe would wipe the floor with him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZuHo...eature=related
Power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HchCpnORAqk
His life story. This one is great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=126nKl36Ihs
This fight would be great forget Jones get fighting Pavlik Calzaghe
Kelly KOs the slapping joe c. That was an old man fight we seen over the weekend. Pavlik would put him in retirement.
Come on what style is more effective.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTmfFLCKErY
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HchCpnORAqk
@ 1:50-1:58 & 2:27-2:35 Calzaghe probably would have been on the ground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFr_u...eature=related
I'd go with Calzaghe on points. He is always able to find that extra gear & make the adjustments needed
Mullet boxer ALWAYS makes me smile. Like the Waterboy would say, 'it's the rays of sunshine that come down when you're feeling blue.
Jones' pre-fight quick takes...
click to view video
Sure i heard this would happen against Lacy tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
That's just B-Hop does to you. It's not so much the speed and reflexes that went, it's more a case of B-Hop making you think twice about throwing a combination. The breaking up of your rhythm, which in turn makes you force your own punches. The speed was still there in the single shots, but it's speedy combinations which are Joe's speciality. Obviously Hopkins experience and style make it very hard to land combinations.....regardless of how good or fast you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwYour thinking is exactly the same as mine. I would never have given Pavlik a chance before. Joe just seemed to have lost much as his speed and oomph last night. I can see Bernard negating his punch output, but not his speed and reflexes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
Pavlik is 10 years his Junior and although still green, has the same tenacity that Joe has always shown, but with more pop to his punches.
Joe is a southpaw though and I am still wondering how Pavlik will deal with them. We do know that straight right will be launching regardless.
People need to realize that Joe is approaching the age where his reflexes will slow down. I would not give Pavlik a chance in hell against Joe under normal circumstances. To me though, he is starting to show his age.
i thought kessler clocked joe with some big punches and he didn't even blink. everyone probabley writes kes off now - but i think he was (and still is) a great fighter. as for that video someone posted of pav v miranda - surely you aren't comparing calzaghe with miranda?? if so that is one of the dumbest things i ever heard
I'm surprised the voting is so even. Unless Calzaghe gets old overnight, I think he wins a clear decision over Pavlik.
Pavlik may punch harder than Hopkins, but he's nowhere near as crafty defensively. I think Calzaghe would be able to land early and often and would win a UD.
Pavlik is a nice fighter, but he's not a Top 5 PFP fighter like Calzaghe.
Hmmm...
Well, this is interesting for me. My first inclination is to pic Pavlik based on raw power... He can also box pretty well. Not as fast as I'd like but good fighter non the less...
But I always forget the ever constant that is Joe Calzaghe. I have picked agaist him for as long as I can remember.
Can Pavlik's stalking style breakdown the welshman?
I'd back pavlik but I don't make predictios with my heart...
Joe by decision.:-\