How does Calzaghe's win over Hopkins rate in the all time wins for the UK against USA ??
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How does Calzaghe's win over Hopkins rate in the all time wins for the UK against USA ??
On paper quite higjly, yet it wasn't as unexpected as Honyghan's victory.
Nor Robinson/Turpin
IMO it automatically outranks Benn-McClellan, as I'll go to my grave feeling only the ref carried Nigel Benn through that first round. Maybe not on par with Lennox beating Evander though.
To be honest I thought BHop came out of this fight better than Calzaghe.
Joe was expected to win, BHop was 43 years old. In the end it was a razor thin win for Calzaghe in a fight in which it really could have gone the other way given a different set of judges.
I thought Calzgaghe would win a relatively comfortable decision but the Nard almost pulled it out.
Totally agree Bilbo have some rep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
The ref carried Hopkins through the fight or he would have been stopped. With a fair ref Calzaghe would have won much more clearly than he did.
hit the nail on the head there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I see that some people said that this fight was robbery , but in my opinion i saw that fight Calzaghe winning , he won clearly , in the first round that was BH did good , after that he looked tire and been holding all the time .I think that we have to admire BH because at his age of 43 years he keep an try making a competitive fights and i like that , but now he have to think that in this Div. he will going face with other more young and going find more problem , i don't know if have to retire , but i see that his prime is going down now.........:cool:
joe didn't look good at all.
i would not rate it high as he was meant to overwhelm hopkins and win easy but it ended as a really close fight.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
bEST POST ABOUT THE FIGHT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Whoa! Hopkins getting stopped? Didnt see that. I did see Hopkins cheaply try to get a breather, but getting stopped? lol.
As far as "How big was the win for the UK?" It was big for Joe, regardless of what the fight looked like. As for it being big for the UK, well, it's nowhere near anything Lennox did, but it's still a win over a legend, in his country.
If Lacy would have beat Joe, where would that rate for a U.S fighter? HMM............... Joe deserves credit, good for him.
The ref was protecting Nard as if he was his son. Without that protection Nard wouldve got KTFOd, and you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
Well you have to rate this as Calzaghe's biggest victory because, well he went to the states to do it. I'd say it goes like this. Not as legendary as Honneyghan but certainly it ranks up there as one of the greatest on paper even though I agree with those in the thread that think Joe didn't look all to spectacular.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Bhop showed why he is a great fighter, any guy who can score a very close loss to joe calzaghe at age 43 and has the talent to almost nullify joe right up until the last rounds shows his worth in boxing. Bhop beat winky and tarver aswell.
I cant see how it is better than lenox vs tyson or lenox holyfield though.
I think that lenox made the better wins in the us.
Honneyghan aswell.
But in the end it is what it is, hopefully joe calzaghe will fight pavlik in madison sq and it will be a real cracker of a fight and if joe wins that one then it might be ranked as the best uk win.
WHO CARES ABOUT UK VS US ANYWAY?
Theres never been a uk vs us rivalry, we are allies in war, we are long term allies and trade together, we have simmilar societies and mutual respect. Boxing isnt a battle of nations, it is a battle of 2 athletes against each other, its not the olympics where they represent each nation.
Aha...infact...the best gb victory over usa was when lenox lewis fought riddick boe in the olympics and won...because this was when two countries were being represented and going head to head;)
Calzaghe? get stopped by Calzaghe? Are you freaking serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Well, calzaghe does throw some wide hooks that swing in, but they are ussually accurate and on target...i guess theres a tiny possibility that hopkins would clinch and turn him as hes firing a wide hook and hits himself in the chin and ko's himself?;);)Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyCalzaghe? get stopped by Calzaghe? Are you freaking serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Just messin mate from your typo hehe, dont mean offense, just jokin around:)
People keep saying this like Calzaghe is 21 or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Joe is just as battle worn as B-Hop.
B-Hop's style means that being a 43 year old isn't as much as a factor as a Ricky Hatton still fighting at 43. He's just such an awkward fight for anybody.
If you look at his recent opponents
Taylor twice (very close fights....boring as hell)
Winky (close fight but B-Hop won)
Tarver (B-Hop embarrassed him)
Going by how well he did against these 3 fighters, age doesn't seem to be that much of a factor. His stye is the biggest factor. He's so cagey, dirty, intelligent, wiley etc...and i was very surprised at the speed of his straight right.
The fight pretty much panned out how i expected it to. Quite a cagey affair. I thought Calzaghe won 115-112 but i'm going to re-watch it and score the fight soberly.
I think both guys come out of this with great credit.
There is a difference though ONO, Calzaghe looked like he was in his absolute prime against Kessler, where as except the Tarver fight, Hopkins hadn't looked good in quite some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoPeople keep saying this like Calzaghe is 21 or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Joe is just as battle worn as B-Hop.
B-Hop's style means that being a 43 year old isn't as much as a factor as a Ricky Hatton still fighting at 43. He's just such an awkward fight for anybody.
If you look at his recent opponents
Taylor twice (very close fights....boring as hell)
Winky (close fight but B-Hop won)
Tarver (B-Hop embarrassed him)
Going by how well he did against these 3 fighters, age doesn't seem to be that much of a factor. His stye is the biggest factor. He's so cagey, dirty, intelligent, wiley etc...and i was very surprised at the speed of his straight right.
The fight pretty much panned out how i expected it to. Quite a cagey affair. I thought Calzaghe won 115-112 but i'm going to re-watch it and score the fight soberly.
I think both guys come out of this with great credit.
Being a fan of both fighters (Hopkins first) I have to say...a win is a win is a win as long as it is legit.
Calzaghe won that fight...period. Close or not...he still won.
The fact of the matter is this : both men, IWHO, were exceptional fighters & between them both men were known for being awkward, technical, old school, fundamentally sound, cagey, unbeatable, throwbacks, & so on & so on...& in the end I saw both men take one another out of their respective zones & games.
The fight may have been ugly to some...but to those of you who watched it as fans...you should have gotten what you wanted.
Me...I was just glad to see the two finally meet.
Calzaghe's win over Hopkins was more impressive to me than Roy Jones's win over Hopkins because it came at a time when Hopkins was in the better of his game.
Jones fought a greener Hopkins & Calzaghe fought a late prime Hopkins still able to take men to task.
View it how you want...but it was an accomplishment for Joe.
One thing that always bothered me about Hopkins as a fan was the age factor & how he used it accordingly win, lose, or draw.
Calzaghe didn't win the fight, and compubox was out to lunch for the fight so I don't rate it as win for him. I think it was impressive what he was able to do against Hopkins despite that fact, but Hopkins landed way more clean punches and made Calzaghe look foolish quite a few times in that fight. I thought it was really close fight, but I think Hopkins distinctly beat Calzaghe.