I'd like the Calzaghe victory to be the final chapter.

Last Saturday I think Joe finally silenced all the doubters. He acquited himself well despite presenting a sub-par "boxing perform,ance.
He showed grit, determination and resiliance in overcoming the old master Hopkins and I felt that his career had been at last legitimised and he had proved all he needed to. It was an incredibly close fight, with Joe just edging it, considering the knockdown. I feel the judges were not very enthused by the tactics Hopkins employed. It was a victory for boxing as the more active and aggresive fighter was favoured over the fighter who employed foul tactics to supplement his ring generalship.


However, I'm not excited at the thought of another Calzaghe fight. I think he has taken tough fights in recent times, overcame the obstacles he's been presented with and no longer needs to fight for his legacy.
However, coming offf fights such as Lacy, Bika, Manfredo, Kessler and Hopkins I acknowledge that it will be difficult to leave at a time that is proving more fruitful finacncially than any other time in his career.
Should Joe leave now, he cannot come back in a few years because of his advanced age. This fact suggests that he may indeed fight on for a couple of more fights.

Joe has proved that he is a great fighter. No longer a good fighter, a great fighter. At times when the referee seemed to be aganst him, his corner was in disarray and panic and the crowd were near silenced, he soldieried on.
In rounds he seemed to lose early in the fight, he still rallied to the final bell, knowing he did not score the round, but choosing to fight regardless.Rising from the knockdown Joe illustrated his quality, not only in the manner that he arose, but also by learning from his mistake and preventing a reoccurence later in the fight.

Great fight Joe, but you have done enough, there is no need to continue, you've proved enough.

good post as usual Donny, I think he'll fight Jones in one last fight then retire. Any fights he has now are all about the money and he deserves his few big paydays before calling it quits

Yep that's why he went to the US.

I realise that he's now got a huge opportunity for making money as he's finally got the exposure he deserves in the US.

Some may argue that he should strike while the iron is hot and make some money, but I for one feel that he should not allow this win to change his plans and he should retire soon.

Silence the haters?

Check the threads.. They all scored it for Hopkins ;D


On a serious note, Calzaghe should do what he says - have one more fight with a fossil then go... unless Carl Froch makes himself MASSIVE, then Calzaghe can come out of retirement for an ALL Brit classic match-up...

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I realise that he's now got a huge opportunity for making money as he's finally got the exposure he deserves in the US.

Some may argue that he should strike while the iron is hot and make some money, but I for one feel that he should not allow this win to change his plans and he should retire soon.

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Yeah some might argue though that he's never been a "great" and now is his chance to prove that on the biggest stage. He may have left the move a little late in his career but pulling the pin now would just draw huge criticism and worst of all give Bernard the opportunity to say he retired Joe, he would say it don't doubt it. He has the chance to prove something to the whole world, and don't forget Bernard makes everyone look like they are not at their best. I think he needs to keep his momentum going.

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Silence the haters?

Check the threads.. They all scored it for Hopkins ;D


On a serious note, Calzaghe should do what he says - have one more fight with a fossil then go... unless Carl Froch makes himself MASSIVE, then Calzaghe can come out of retirement for an ALL Brit classic match-up...

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I think Cal acquited himself well.

We've got three or four few fellows on here who usually swear by Compubox, yet are completely disreagrding it now:rolleyes:

It is a pity Clinton lost, that would have served as a nice encore for him.

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I realise that he's now got a huge opportunity for making money as he's finally got the exposure he deserves in the US.

Some may argue that he should strike while the iron is hot and make some money, but I for one feel that he should not allow this win to change his plans and he should retire soon.

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Yeah some might argue though that he's never been a "great" and now is his chance to prove that on the biggest stage. He may have left the move a little late in his career but pulling the pin now would just draw huge criticism and worst of all give Bernard the opportunity to say he retired Joe, he would say it don't doubt it. He has the chance to prove something to the whole world, and don't forget Bernard makes everyone look like they are not at their best. I think he needs to keep his momentum going.

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It is true that retiring Hopkins would allow Hopkins a lot of talk.

One more will be OK, but beyond that I worry

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Silence the haters?

Check the threads.. They all scored it for Hopkins ;D


On a serious note, Calzaghe should do what he says - have one more fight with a fossil then go... unless Carl Froch makes himself MASSIVE, then Calzaghe can come out of retirement for an ALL Brit classic match-up...

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I think Cal acquited himself well.

We've got three or four few fellows on here who usually swear by Compubox, yet are completely disreagrding it now:rolleyes:

It is a pity Clinton lost, that would have served as a nice encore for him.

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Boxing fans use compubox like politicians use stats, they bring them up only when they suit their argument and dis them when they dont and say "well stats can be misleading".

I know where you are coming from Donny but Joe will want one last wedge in the retirement fund and there's some saying a last hurrah against such a legend as Jones can bring in enough to double the ring earnings of his entire career !

No way does he turn that down.

Pavlik and Taylor are the only real other viable opponents and though a Pavlik win would probably bring more credibility he doesn't bring the ££££ that Jones does to the table. Jones has also clawed back a bit of credibility since the two devastating KOs a couple of years back so although Cal is a firm favourite its by no means a foregone conclusion.
This fight could possibly be the last ring appearance of two modern day legends and I would love to see them get it on in MSG New York.

If the fight does happen abroad than I reckon Joe would have one last farewell fight at the Millenium Stadium - regardless even if Jones beat him.

Am kind of glad Joe isn't on 47-0 rather than 45. The temptation, I feel, would have been too great to go for Marciano's record and i don't think he would have made it. Would have been a shame if he lost the '0' that way.

Coincidentally i reckon Joe will comfortably UD Roy ;)

...there's also the danger that when a champ retires undefeated the big money offers will keep coming in to lure him back when someone new arrives on the scene and people start saying 'could he have beaten Calzaghe'.....

You know I reckon the money is less of an issue for him than the legacy. He would have enough to lead a comfortable lifestyle no doubt now. The more I see these old fighters coming out to fight well past their time Ala Jeff Fenech makes me think they need to have that perfect legacy in their own mind before retiring. Joe still has a lot of clouds hovering and probably wants to clear them before retiring. Lewis is the only one I can think of who doesn't seem to need to go back. He did all he needed to to retire without feeling the need to go back. If Joe retires now there will always be talk that his last fight was against a 43 year old.

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well that's easily countered by pointing out that the 43 year old was ranked #4 in the Pound-for-Pound ratings (and also higher than Joe;))

Touche.

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Last Saturday I think Joe finally silenced all the doubters. He acquited himself well despite presenting a sub-par "boxing perform,ance.
He showed grit, determination and resiliance in overcoming the old master Hopkins and I felt that his career had been at last legitimised and he had proved all he needed to. It was an incredibly close fight, with Joe just edging it, considering the knockdown. I feel the judges were not very enthused by the tactics Hopkins employed. It was a victory for boxing as the more active and aggresive fighter was favoured over the fighter who employed foul tactics to supplement his ring generalship.


However, I'm not excited at the thought of another Calzaghe fight. I think he has taken tough fights in recent times, overcame the obstacles he's been presented with and no longer needs to fight for his legacy.
However, coming offf fights such as Lacy, Bika, Manfredo, Kessler and Hopkins I acknowledge that it will be difficult to leave at a time that is proving more fruitful finacncially than any other time in his career.
Should Joe leave now, he cannot come back in a few years because of his advanced age. This fact suggests that he may indeed fight on for a couple of more fights.

Joe has proved that he is a great fighter. No longer a good fighter, a great fighter. At times when the referee seemed to be aganst him, his corner was in disarray and panic and the crowd were near silenced, he soldieried on.
In rounds he seemed to lose early in the fight, he still rallied to the final bell, knowing he did not score the round, but choosing to fight regardless.Rising from the knockdown Joe illustrated his quality, not only in the manner that he arose, but also by learning from his mistake and preventing a reoccurence later in the fight.

Great fight Joe, but you have done enough, there is no need to continue, you've proved enough.

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I don't see why he shouldn't keep on fighting if he thinks he can still do it, going out with a controversial win over 43 year old Bernard Hopkins isn't a good way to go out. Although saying that Calzaghe is starting to look little worn out IMO, like i said in the other thread his combo's aren't as fast or good as they used to be, and his jab seems to be lacking the snap it used to have as well. And Fenster just because some people scored it for Hopkins doesn't mean there haters, they obviously liked the cleaner more effective punches from Hopkins like i did.

So far Ive ONLY seen Calzaghe haters score it for Hopkins.

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Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

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I don't see why he shouldn't keep on fighting if he thinks he can still do it, going out with a controversial win over 43 year old Bernard Hopkins isn't a good way to go out. Although saying that Calzaghe is starting to look little worn out IMO, like i said in the other thread his combo's aren't as fast or good as they used to be, and his jab seems to be lacking the snap it used to have as well. And Fenster just because some people scored it for Hopkins doesn't mean there haters, they obviously liked the cleaner more effective punches from Hopkins like i did.

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Calzaghe has said for the past 3 years or so that this is the time at which he should retire.

Cleaner more effective punching scores well when done in adequate volume. It cannot compensate for a gap as bl;atantly obvious as there was between Calzaghe and Hopkins.
Coupled with the tactics employed by Hopkins the judges scores are completely understandable and justifiable.

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Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

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So Calzaghe's punches weren't effective, but Hopkins just edged it in your book?
That doesn't really compute.

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I don't see why he shouldn't keep on fighting if he thinks he can still do it, going out with a controversial win over 43 year old Bernard Hopkins isn't a good way to go out. Although saying that Calzaghe is starting to look little worn out IMO, like i said in the other thread his combo's aren't as fast or good as they used to be, and his jab seems to be lacking the snap it used to have as well. And Fenster just because some people scored it for Hopkins doesn't mean there haters, they obviously liked the cleaner more effective punches from Hopkins like i did.

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Calzaghe has said for the past 3 years or so that this is the time at which he should retire.

Cleaner more effective punching scores well when done in adequate volume. It cannot compensate for a gap as bl;atantly obvious as there was between Calzaghe and Hopkins.
Coupled with the tactics employed by Hopkins the judges scores are completely understandable and justifiable.

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What gap ?? Calzaghe was throwing more but a lot of his punches were landing on the arms and gloves, where as Hopkins punches were much more effective and cleaner, Calzaghe never really landed a solid shot on Hopkins except some straight lefts later in the fight.

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Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

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Exactly! I wanted you to make that comment ;)

All the haters scored it for Hopkins. All the Calzaghe fans obviously scored it for Calzaghe.

So who are the neutrals - CutMeMick scored it for Calzaghe. Oumafan scored it for Calzaghe. Greig scored it for Calzaghe.. find some neutrals that scored it for Hopkins? ;)

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Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

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So Calzaghe's punches weren't effective, but Hopkins just edged it in your book?
That doesn't really compute.

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How does that not compute ?? its pretty obvious what i said Calzaghe was mostly throwing pitter patter shots, where as Hopkins was landing solid right hands throughout most of the fight, go back and watch in slow motion how many of Calzaghe's flurries actually missed, and look back how ineffective they were. Calzaghe made it close by out working Hopkins badly in some rounds where you had no choice to give Calzaghe the round just based on sheer work rate when Hopkins got lazy and tired and his out put dropped in the later rounds.

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I don't see why he shouldn't keep on fighting if he thinks he can still do it, going out with a controversial win over 43 year old Bernard Hopkins isn't a good way to go out. Although saying that Calzaghe is starting to look little worn out IMO, like i said in the other thread his combo's aren't as fast or good as they used to be, and his jab seems to be lacking the snap it used to have as well. And Fenster just because some people scored it for Hopkins doesn't mean there haters, they obviously liked the cleaner more effective punches from Hopkins like i did.

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Calzaghe has said for the past 3 years or so that this is the time at which he should retire.

Cleaner more effective punching scores well when done in adequate volume. It cannot compensate for a gap as bl;atantly obvious as there was between Calzaghe and Hopkins.
Coupled with the tactics employed by Hopkins the judges scores are completely understandable and justifiable.

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What gap ?? Calzaghe was throwing more but a lot of his punches were landing on the arms and gloves, where as Hopkins punches were much more effective and cleaner, Calzaghe never really landed a solid shot on Hopkins except some straight lefts later in the fight.

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That gap!

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I don't see why he shouldn't keep on fighting if he thinks he can still do it, going out with a controversial win over 43 year old Bernard Hopkins isn't a good way to go out. Although saying that Calzaghe is starting to look little worn out IMO, like i said in the other thread his combo's aren't as fast or good as they used to be, and his jab seems to be lacking the snap it used to have as well. And Fenster just because some people scored it for Hopkins doesn't mean there haters, they obviously liked the cleaner more effective punches from Hopkins like i did.

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Calzaghe has said for the past 3 years or so that this is the time at which he should retire.

Cleaner more effective punching scores well when done in adequate volume. It cannot compensate for a gap as bl;atantly obvious as there was between Calzaghe and Hopkins.
Coupled with the tactics employed by Hopkins the judges scores are completely understandable and justifiable.

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What gap ?? Calzaghe was throwing more but a lot of his punches were landing on the arms and gloves, where as Hopkins punches were much more effective and cleaner, Calzaghe never really landed a solid shot on Hopkins except some straight lefts later in the fight.

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Doesn't matter how solid the punch is, if it lands it scores. Sure Hopkins landed a few hard shots but that doesn't win the fight if he doesn't get the KO. Hopkins punch output was not what it needed to be to win the fight.

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Calzaghe has said for the past 3 years or so that this is the time at which he should retire.

Cleaner more effective punching scores well when done in adequate volume. It cannot compensate for a gap as bl;atantly obvious as there was between Calzaghe and Hopkins.
Coupled with the tactics employed by Hopkins the judges scores are completely understandable and justifiable.

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What gap ?? Calzaghe was throwing more but a lot of his punches were landing on the arms and gloves, where as Hopkins punches were much more effective and cleaner, Calzaghe never really landed a solid shot on Hopkins except some straight lefts later in the fight.

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Donny that was poorly copy and pasted i can't make that out bro, and secondly why are you using punch stats which by the looks of it you are. Why don't you just go with your own opinion and actually look back and watch how many of Calzaghe's punches missed, Calzaghe never really landed a solid hurtful shot on Hopkins until the later rounds, punch stats are very mis leading in some cases.

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Calzaghe has said for the past 3 years or so that this is the time at which he should retire.

Cleaner more effective punching scores well when done in adequate volume. It cannot compensate for a gap as bl;atantly obvious as there was between Calzaghe and Hopkins.
Coupled with the tactics employed by Hopkins the judges scores are completely understandable and justifiable.

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What gap ?? Calzaghe was throwing more but a lot of his punches were landing on the arms and gloves, where as Hopkins punches were much more effective and cleaner, Calzaghe never really landed a solid shot on Hopkins except some straight lefts later in the fight.

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Doesn't matter how solid the punch is, if it lands it scores. Sure Hopkins landed a few hard shots but that doesn't win the fight if he doesn't get the KO. Hopkins punch output was not what it needed to be to win the fight.

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Well im more of the kind of guy that scores 10 solid shots rather than 25 pitter patter shots.

The rules of the sport are clear. 1 clean punch scores 1 point. 1 hard punch doesn't score more.

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Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

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You are coming across like a hater. You also picked Hopkins to win, did you not? And dont talk the rubbish about going back and forth on who would win, ultimately you picked Hopkins. When it came to the actual fight you were watching it and hoping your pick would come off. You got it wrong and yet its your arrogance that doesnt allow you to accept your pick was simply wrong. Get over it!! Seriously. :rolleyes:;D

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What gap ?? Calzaghe was throwing more but a lot of his punches were landing on the arms and gloves, where as Hopkins punches were much more effective and cleaner, Calzaghe never really landed a solid shot on Hopkins except some straight lefts later in the fight.

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Donny that was poorly copy and pasted i can't make that out bro, and secondly why are you using punch stats which by the looks of it you are. Why don't you just go with your own opinion and actually look back and watch how many of Calzaghe's punches missed, Calzaghe never really landed a solid hurtful shot on Hopkins until the later rounds, punch stats are very mis leading in some cases.

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I repaired the punch stats.

And I am going by my own opinion.
A solid powershot may be worth mnore than a certain amount of lightly landing punches, but they cannot compensate for a complete lack of activity and volume.

That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

Calzaghe missed with nearly as many punches as Hopkins threw.
He landed more than Hopkins did.

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Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

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You are coming across like a hater. You also picked Hopkins to win, did you not? And dont talk the rubbish about going back and forth on who would win, ultimately you picked Hopkins. When it came to the actual fight you were watching it and hoping your pick would come off. You got it wrong and yet its your arrogance that doesnt allow you to accept your pick was simply wrong. Get over it!! Seriously. :rolleyes:;D

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I said Hopkins by controversial decision meaning i didn't think Calzaghe would get the nod in a close fight. I was shocked Calzaghe got the nod against Hopkins to be honest in such a close fight as well. And Miles you were also badly wrong was you not ?? you picked Calzaghe to dominate Hopkins and i told you no one dominates Hopkins and it would comeback to haunt you. But everything i said before the fight was correct regarding the tactics of the fight.

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Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

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You are coming across like a hater. You also picked Hopkins to win, did you not? And dont talk the rubbish about going back and forth on who would win, ultimately you picked Hopkins. When it came to the actual fight you were watching it and hoping your pick would come off. You got it wrong and yet its your arrogance that doesnt allow you to accept your pick was simply wrong. Get over it!! Seriously. :rolleyes:;D

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I said Hopkins by controversial decision meaning i didn't think Calzaghe would get the nod in a close fight. I was shocked Calzaghe got the nod against Hopkins to be honest in such a close fight as well. And Miles you were also badly wrong was you not ?? you picked Calzaghe to dominate Hopkins and i told you no one dominates Hopkins and it would comeback to haunt you. But everything i said before the fight was correct regarding the tactics of the fight.

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With a different referee the fight would have been a lot more clear cut in favour of Calzaghe.

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Donny that was poorly copy and pasted i can't make that out bro, and secondly why are you using punch stats which by the looks of it you are. Why don't you just go with your own opinion and actually look back and watch how many of Calzaghe's punches missed, Calzaghe never really landed a solid hurtful shot on Hopkins until the later rounds, punch stats are very mis leading in some cases.

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I repaired the punch stats.

And I am going by my own opinion.
A solid powershot may be worth a large amount of lightly landing punches, but they cannot compensate for a complete lack of activity and volume.

That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

Calzaghe missed with nearly as many punches as Hopkins threw.
He landed more than Hopkins did.

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When Hopkins threw most of the time he was landing, i couldn't care less what the punch stats say i looked back at the exchanges in slow motion and Hopkins punches were much more effective. Mayweather in the ODLH fight was only throwing 35 punches a round yet he still won clear cut, by making his punches count then he threw and thats what its all about, its no good throwing 90 punches a round if hardly any of them are effective IMO anyway.

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Donny that was poorly copy and pasted i can't make that out bro, and secondly why are you using punch stats which by the looks of it you are. Why don't you just go with your own opinion and actually look back and watch how many of Calzaghe's punches missed, Calzaghe never really landed a solid hurtful shot on Hopkins until the later rounds, punch stats are very mis leading in some cases.

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I repaired the punch stats.

And I am going by my own opinion.
A solid powershot may be worth mnore than a certain amount of lightly landing punches, but they cannot compensate for a complete lack of activity and volume.

That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

Calzaghe missed with nearly as many punches as Hopkins threw.
He landed more than Hopkins did.

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Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

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Exactly! I wanted you to make that comment ;)

All the haters scored it for Hopkins. All the Calzaghe fans obviously scored it for Calzaghe.

So who are the neutrals - CutMeMick scored it for Calzaghe. Oumafan scored it for Calzaghe. Greig scored it for Calzaghe.. find some neutrals that scored it for Hopkins? ;)

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Ok Fenster, Amat scored it for Hopkins he is neutral, Taeth scored it for Hopkins he is neutral, i scored it for Hopkins i am neutral i don't like Hopkins.

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Donny that was poorly copy and pasted i can't make that out bro, and secondly why are you using punch stats which by the looks of it you are. Why don't you just go with your own opinion and actually look back and watch how many of Calzaghe's punches missed, Calzaghe never really landed a solid hurtful shot on Hopkins until the later rounds, punch stats are very mis leading in some cases.

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I repaired the punch stats.

And I am going by my own opinion.
A solid powershot may be worth a large amount of lightly landing punches, but they cannot compensate for a complete lack of activity and volume.

That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

Calzaghe missed with nearly as many punches as Hopkins threw.
He landed more than Hopkins did.

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When Hopkins threw most of the time he was landing, i couldn't care less what the punch stats say i looked back at the exchanges in slow motion and Hopkins punches were much more effective. Mayweather in the ODLH fight was only throwing 35 punches a round yet he still won clear cut, by making his punches count then he threw and thats what its all about, its no good throwing 90 punches a round if hardly any of them are effective IMO anyway.

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Ice, you've all too often quoted compubox and advocated it's use.
Yet you turn around and come out wityh that?

Mayweather's performances cannot be compared to Hopkins.
Bernard was looking for a singhle shot and it would have been impressive had he stopped Calzaghe in that fashion.
Mayweather makes the opponent resepect his power by throwing in combination. Those are two things Bernard failed to do.
Ypu cannot say that Calzaghe respected Bernards power or was afraid of getting stopped when he was the aggresive fighter all night.

If landing less-telling punches meant that fighters would not be scored rounds, then fighters like Malignaggi, Williams and even the great Pernell Whittaker wouldn't be succesful at all.

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Originally Posted by ICB

Donny that was poorly copy and pasted i can't make that out bro, and secondly why are you using punch stats which by the looks of it you are. Why don't you just go with your own opinion and actually look back and watch how many of Calzaghe's punches missed, Calzaghe never really landed a solid hurtful shot on Hopkins until the later rounds, punch stats are very mis leading in some cases.

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I repaired the punch stats.

And I am going by my own opinion.
A solid powershot may be worth mnore than a certain amount of lightly landing punches, but they cannot compensate for a complete lack of activity and volume.

That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

Calzaghe missed with nearly as many punches as Hopkins threw.
He landed more than Hopkins did.

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Exactly. Calzaghe was always the busier man and landing more. And his punches were becoming more significant as the fight wore on. Hopkins wasnt doing much towards the end.

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True.
Bernard was tired at the end and used the last low blow to grab a break.

Amat has said plenty of times he don't like Calzaghe. He don't count.

Taeth i'll give you. I think he was a Calzaghe hater that turned into a liker so don't really count but still...

You don't count, Ice. You're a Calzaghe hater even though you pretend not to be.. admit it. ;D

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Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

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You are coming across like a hater. You also picked Hopkins to win, did you not? And dont talk the rubbish about going back and forth on who would win, ultimately you picked Hopkins. When it came to the actual fight you were watching it and hoping your pick would come off. You got it wrong and yet its your arrogance that doesnt allow you to accept your pick was simply wrong. Get over it!! Seriously. :rolleyes:;D

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I said Hopkins by controversial decision meaning i didn't think Calzaghe would get the nod in a close fight. I was shocked Calzaghe got the nod against Hopkins to be honest in such a close fight as well. And Miles you were also badly wrong was you not ?? you picked Calzaghe to dominate Hopkins and i told you no one dominates Hopkins and it would comeback to haunt you. But everything i said before the fight was correct regarding the tactics of the fight.

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Yes, I said Calzaghe would beat up Hopkins. Ive no qualms with that. Hopkins was sharper and also dirtier than I was prepared for. But ultimately JC outlanded Hopkins and in most of the rounds. In the championship rounds Calzaghe was increasing the pressure and landing harder blows. Hopkins NEEDED those timeouts just to get through it. Calzaghe wasnt there to spoil, he brought the fight to Hopkins and he threw and landed a lot more.

I dont see what you are arguing really.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

I repaired the punch stats.

And I am going by my own opinion.
A solid powershot may be worth a large amount of lightly landing punches, but they cannot compensate for a complete lack of activity and volume.

That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

Calzaghe missed with nearly as many punches as Hopkins threw.
He landed more than Hopkins did.

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When Hopkins threw most of the time he was landing, i couldn't care less what the punch stats say i looked back at the exchanges in slow motion and Hopkins punches were much more effective. Mayweather in the ODLH fight was only throwing 35 punches a round yet he still won clear cut, by making his punches count then he threw and thats what its all about, its no good throwing 90 punches a round if hardly any of them are effective IMO anyway.

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Ice, you've all too often quoted compubox and advocated it's use.
Yet you turn around and come out wityh that?

Mayweather's performances cannot be compared to Hopkins.
Bernard was looking for a singhle shot and it would have been impressive had he stopped Calzaghe in that fashion.
Mayweather makes the opponent resepect his power by throwing in combination. Those are two things Bernard failed to do.
Ypu cannot say that Calzaghe respected Bernards power or was afraid of getting stopped when he was the aggresive fighter all night.

If landing less-telling punches meant that fighters would not be scored rounds, then fighters like Malignaggi, Williams and even the great Pernell Whittaker wouldn't be succesful at all.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

I repaired the punch stats.

And I am going by my own opinion.
A solid powershot may be worth mnore than a certain amount of lightly landing punches, but they cannot compensate for a complete lack of activity and volume.

That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

Calzaghe missed with nearly as many punches as Hopkins threw.
He landed more than Hopkins did.

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Exactly. Calzaghe was always the busier man and landing more. And his punches were becoming more significant as the fight wore on. Hopkins wasnt doing much towards the end.

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True.
Bernard was tired at the end and used the last low blow to grab a break.

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The only time i've ever used punchstats is for the ODLH vs Mayweather fight, and even those stats aren't completely accurate either. Im not turning anything around the fact is Hopkins landed the cleaner more effective blows, in some of those rounds according to punchstats Calzaghe out landed Hopkins by 9 or 10 punches, for example in the 10th round according to the stats Hopkins landed 13 punches, where as Calzaghe landed 23 punches, now out of those 13 punches they were all clean effective punches, where as Calzaghe's 23 punches were mostly pitter patter, im actually glad now you gave me the punch stats because you have actually helped my argument, i scored the 10th round for Hopkins, the 8th round for Hopkins, Hopkins landed 15 punches in the 8th round, where as Calzaghe landed 22, now again 15 of Hopkins punches were effective where as Calzaghe's 22 punches were mostly pitter patter, I also scored all the first 4 rounds for Hopkins based on his punches being more effective. The punchstats in those rounds aren't one sided at all when you take into account how many of Hopkins punches were solid effective punches, where as Calzaghe was mostly landing pitter patter. Again Donny your missing the point i never compared Mayweather to Hopkins in that way, what i meant is that Hopkins out put was low like Mayweather's but when he threw he made his punches count.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Amat has said plenty of times he don't like Calzaghe. He don't count.

Taeth i'll give you. I think he was a Calzaghe hater that turned into a liker so don't really count but still...

You don't count, Ice. You're a Calzaghe hater even though you pretend not to be.. admit it. ;D

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Amat is neutral he never lets any biased in his scoring Fenster, and yes im so much of a Calzaghe hater i bought his career set ;)

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The rules of the sport are clear. 1 clean punch scores 1 point. 1 hard punch doesn't score more.

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That is true with Amateur Scoring but not with professional scoring. Professional scoring is more open to interpretation. One good punch can equal an X amount punches of less quality.


That being said, I thought Joe did enough to win Saturday.