I'm sorry Calazagne fans Joe swings like a girl

;D Once again there were a few moments where Joe looked like a teenage girl in a fight, throwing windmilling noodle arm punches. Should boxers adapts to this style to outscore their opponents like Joe does? I couldn't believe the crowd and the announcers reactions to the glancing flurries. After re-watching the fight a few times I keep getting a 114-113 score for B-Hop. Don't get me wrong JC can throw good punches, its just when he flurries they have nothing on them, and those go to the damn compubox numbers which make rounds look Joe won em. I saw him throw a punch like he was playing whack-a-mole....then the announcer say's he's trying to chop down his opponent...

So you saying Hopkins got beat by a girl... and i thought you liked Hopkins ;)

You know What? I realy dont like Calzaghe , i dont like how he makes combinations , have good stamina , but i think that he need something else , although i bet Roy Jones Jr. against him.......:cool:

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Originally Posted by Saddo

So you saying Hopkins got beat by a girl... and i thought you liked Hopkins ;)

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Yeah B-Hop didn't know if it was ok for him to hit a girl so he held back. B-Hop was right though he never lost to a whiteboy. ;)

He lost to a whiteGIRL with no skills.....oh dear!

I am not a fan of Calzaghe's, but I don't dislike him. I was happy when he beat Hokpins.

But he does swing like a girl at times...looks especially bad when he misses! I remember they showed a slow motion replay during the fight of Calzaghe missing with a bunch of goofy looking..."punches" even think he threw a backhanded slap in there which also missed lol.


But when you watch the lacy fight those same punches look phenomenal. I think calzaghe looked especially sloppy because hopkins is a cagey old bastard.

It's really hard deliver such power with amazing hand speed.

this is what makes me laugh when i hear people say calzaghes a very skillfull boxer, i kept hearing how b-hops never fought someone with joes skills.................he doesn't light a single lightbulb with skill, he doesn't really have such great skill, he's about high workrate and handspeed not much boxing skill, he slaps alot or cuffs.........fair enough he wins fights that way but.............. he aint no, james toney, roy jones, bernard hopkins, money mayweather when it comes down to skill

He had to change his style years ago to allow for his bad hands. He can't throw power punches anymore yet he's still beaten three world champions who were all fancied to beat him. The fact he did it being as limited offensively as he is now makes him even more great.

I've made it clear, even though I'm a fan of joe's, that I wasn't impressed with his performance on Saturday. However the slappy ineffective punches are a recent thing about last four years, before that he threw combinations at the same speed but could rock is opponents from side to side with them, it's combination of bad hands and age which has diminshed them, not poor technical ability. The danger with getting reputation at the tail end of your career is that you get remembered for the wrong things, Joe will get remembered for being a slapper, and Hop will be remembered for being a spoiler,. which wasn't necesarily the case in their primes.

As for comparing skills to the likes of the others, it's matter of different styles. Do you really think Mayweather or Hopkins himself would look any better coming forward against Hopkins??? Two primarily backfoot fighters. Then you compare Hopkins last weekend to how effective Joe was against come forward fighters??? Different styles suit different fights, and their are many fights out there where JC's style would be more effective than the styles of the fighters in your list, and vice versa. Hopkins style this late in his career is particularly effective against southpaws since the lead arms are on the same side making clinching inside a doddle, he also has an unconventional right lead which hits the southpaw fighter square, however poor Calzaghe's performance was, he was never going to look good anyway.

What i think from an unbiased view point is that YES, sometimes calzaghe swings in punches that are pitter patter, he did this a few times against nard on saturday.

At the same time he also gets in some decent punches though.

It is the speed of his punches, even if some are slaps that confuse the opponent. I think what it must make the opponent feel like is 'oh sh*t, im getting hit, im not hurt BUT I KNOW THAT THE JUDGES ARE GONNA SCORE THIS ROUND AGAINST ME'...So as a result it opens up a brawl because the person getting hit thinks he has to hit back.

Brawling is exactly what calzaghe wants, he wanted hopkins to start brawling esspecially in the later rounds because he knows hopkins stamina will have been gone by then...both fighters are very clever fighters, they know each others weaknesses...what calzaghe didnt seem to realise is nards power, nard wobbled tarver and put him on the floor. He is capable of powerful shots, calzaghe felt one in the first round, but it was later on where calzaghe won 75% of the brawls that the pair had, i think that hopkins might have felt that he had to do something in order to look better on the judges scorecard because he knew he wasnt gonna ko joe at this stage in the fight (round 6 onwards).

So whilst hopkins was prob ahead by 3 rounds come round 6 (due to the knock down in round one), it was then calzaghe who started using his quick but light hands, combined with some decent one two's and evasion of the hopkins right hand to win 5 out of the last 6 rounds and take the fight.

In a way if hopkins hadnt have clinched all the time and was able to stand and trade a bit with joe then he wouldve only needed to do this in 2 rounds and wouldve taken the fight from joe...but his stamina and probably his mindset (hes so used to clinching and being dirty) probably meant it came natural for him to do this and in a way thats why he lost the fight.

Lets be honest, if hopkins hadnt clinched as much and at least tried to trade and defend against joe, he might have come out on top with a round or two in which case wouldve won the fight...but because the guy kept going into clinches whilst joe was the one forcing the fight how can the judges give these rounds to hopkins?

In a way, it was hopkins own dirty tactics that gave joe the fight. It was a very close fight with joe's stamina and workrate being the key, if hopkins had tried to exchange (although at this stage his stamina was almost gone) the result might have swayed the judges the other way.

In my opinion its hopkins own fault.

The fact is though that when he needs to punch hard, calzaghe can punch hard, no one can deny this. The guy can hit hard when he has to. BUT he mixes it up with lots of quick and light punches.

I think against a roy jones there might be different tactics used, some harder punching and different movement.

But against pavlik, pavlik is tailor made for joe to start using light and fast hands against because they are going to disorientate kelly and then have trick him into brawling with joe where i think joe will end up putting kelly on the floor with a bigger shot that hes capable of, just my opinion.

I am a calzaghe fan because i truly believe he CAN BE the p4p number 1 (but hes not at the moment) he needs to beat 2 more great fighters first (and also it depends on who floyd and manny face aswell and the results they get)...currently the top 3 are: floyd, joe and manny. Id put floyd at the top and then its a t*ss up between manny and joe to be honest, but those are my top 3 p4p fighters at the moment.

In the end, i can see how someone can say 'I dislike joe calzaghe's style because i dont like the way he throws a huge volume of punches yet only a few hard and effective punches', but i CANT SEE HOW SOMEONE can say 'joe calzaghe is a load of crap, he a weak, slapping, non straight punching brawler' when the guy is 45,0,0 with 2 weight ring champion belts, undisputed and has beaten eubank, reid, lacy, kessler and hopkins aswell as having 32 ko's (THE SAME KO AMOUNT THAT HOPKINS HAS) on his record!

To say 'joe calzaghe is a load of crap' is ridiculous.

If joe is a load of crap then what does it make kessler? hopkins? lacy? eubank? reid? Or moreso if joe beats jones and pavlik then what does it make them?

You can dislike a boxer, dislike his style but at least have respect.

For myself, i dislike tyson, i dislike him as a person because i dont like the fact that he is a rapist (he might be innocent but he was convicted), i dont like his dirty tactics and trash talking either. As a boxer i feel he was incredible at what he did but was too one dimensional hence why lenox was able to pummel him the way he did, i think even a prime tyson wouldve been beaten 7/10 by a prime lenox lewis aswell. BUT i respect tyson as one of the best heavyweights of all time for his power, movement, defense and because he was so fun to watch!

Theres no way in hell id say 'tysons a load of crap' because his record and his performance speaks for itself, the same with joe calzaghe's...there are ways and means of saying things but after someone is 45,0,0 and beaten the likes of eubank, reid, lacy, kessler and hopkins, surely theyve proven that they have some class and are at least a 'pretty decent boxer'?

Respect is due where respect is due and i try never to allow personal judgement to distort my evaluation of an athlete.

great post...i wonder if a lot of the negativity is a uk/us divide.

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Originally Posted by I'm a tool

;D Once again there were a few moments where Joe looked like a teenage girl in a fight, throwing windmilling noodle arm punches. Should boxers adapts to this style to outscore their opponents like Joe does? I couldn't believe the crowd and the announcers reactions to the glancing flurries. After re-watching the fight a few times I keep getting a 114-113 score for B-Hop. Don't get me wrong JC can throw good punches, its just when he flurries they have nothing on them, and those go to the damn compubox numbers which make rounds look Joe won em. I saw him throw a punch like he was playing whack-a-mole....then the announcer say's he's trying to chop down his opponent...

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Well right now that girl has beaten 45 opponents and is perhaps the greatest middleweight champion of all time.....Not bad if you ask me:D

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Originally Posted by I'm a tool

;D Once again there were a few moments where Joe looked like a teenage girl in a fight, throwing windmilling noodle arm punches. Should boxers adapts to this style to outscore their opponents like Joe does? I couldn't believe the crowd and the announcers reactions to the glancing flurries. After re-watching the fight a few times I keep getting a 114-113 score for B-Hop. Don't get me wrong JC can throw good punches, its just when he flurries they have nothing on them, and those go to the damn compubox numbers which make rounds look Joe won em. I saw him throw a punch like he was playing whack-a-mole....then the announcer say's he's trying to chop down his opponent...

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Damn are you sure you watched the same fight I did?

What about the way Hopkins would drop his head and rush in with his eyes closed while swinging like a girl? You did not see this? You need me to make you a video where he does this over and over? He was using his head as a battering ram and he was swinging just as wildly as Joe was. Now sit the hell down tool boy ;D

Both doesn't look good swinging those punches... but B-Hop looks a bit better... Joe looks "girlish"...


http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/4c/fu...nard_hopki.jpg

I found out Joe secret training technique: Nintendo Wii
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f8w8Sggftk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDzbD...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAOae...eature=related

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I belive it was in the break in the later rounds when they should Joe C throwing on of his flurries. He looked like a kitten playing with a string. No wonder why he couldnt hurt Hopkins. They should put him in with Winky. Two slappers.

I agree with Bomp, I never saw Joe do that versus Eubank or Reid but he did do it a bit in the Mitchell fight although he was only mixing in the pitter pats. Now, it's all he throws when he falls and squares up. It's all he throws inside it's a joke really and that's why I can't score the fight for Calzaghe. Calzaghe had very few clean punches landed because all he does is fucking slap now.

He has a good jab though and the left hand when he comes in with it is good, but then after the left hand he falls in and begins slapping. I actually think Hopkins was doing him a favor sometimes in holding because I think Calzaghe is there for the taking inside because he is so square and his punches have such little power. Then versus Hopkins his punches inside started looking a bit wide and loopy.

I think he would be a much better fighter if he nixed some of that falling in and brawling on the inside. If he sticks to a jab Roy has no chance, if he falls in he'll be giving Roy what he wants hopefully he is a bit smarter about things.

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Originally Posted by southakron314

I belive it was in the break in the later rounds when they should Joe C throwing on of his flurries. He looked like a kitten playing with a string. No wonder why he couldnt hurt Hopkins. They should put him in with Winky. Two slappers.

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http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/4c/fu...nard_hopki.jpg

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Originally Posted by southakron314

I belive it was in the break in the later rounds when they should Joe C throwing on of his flurries. He looked like a kitten playing with a string. No wonder why he couldnt hurt Hopkins. They should put him in with Winky. Two slappers.

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No way Winky is not a slapper. Winky has a stiff jab and a good cross and he goes to the body nice on the inside. I don't get the notion that Winky is a slapper, he does slap occasionally but not near as much as it's made out to be. It's just he doesn't get KO's because that's not his style, he still can inflict damage though.

Ya know...?I never thought of it in that way.But at times The palms are up and its almost a side ways chop motion.To much reliance on the showy multi burst on that Pad with all the numbers in pre fight....Like his Overleft with power though.

You brit's know I'm just "taking the piss" (is that how you say it?) out of Joe. Just foolin around, and no I'm not bitter at all. :p

JoeCal reminds me of the karate punches of that tall East European guy (Mavrovic?) whom I thought beat Lennox Lewis.

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Originally Posted by southakron314

I belive it was in the break in the later rounds when they should Joe C throwing on of his flurries. He looked like a kitten playing with a string. No wonder why he couldnt hurt Hopkins. They should put him in with Winky. Two slappers.

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No way Winky is not a slapper. Winky has a stiff jab and a good cross and he goes to the body nice on the inside. I don't get the notion that Winky is a slapper, he does slap occasionally but not near as much as it's made out to be. It's just he doesn't get KO's because that's not his style, he still can inflict damage though.

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Winky has power but I am going off of his numbers. Granted his resume is much better than Calzaghe's.