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I think Haye can give Wlad some problems. It would be a competitive match-up.
it would be interesting for sure , but Haye's punch resistance is doubtful i feel at heavy . but he has a punchers chance i guess
Klitschko's making excuses already. On the BBC they are talking about fighting this year. Now Wladimir wants Haye to have a couple of fights 1st.
Haye would destroy old china chin Klitschko.
David Haye is just to light in the ass to be talking so much shit.I understand he has weighed up to 217 lbs but it was against unknown's.If this fight were took take place I would see it as a slaughter.With Haye trying to bomb Klitschko,missing,then getting counterpunched to death and ultimately stopping it around 4.
Can anyone but anyone actually claim someone else is taking libertys in that division??
Klitschko is hardly unbeatable and if he fought the kind of fight he did with ibraghimov it wouldnt take a genius to work out haye would just need one of his bombs to have Wlad being carried out on a stretcher.
If i was haye i wouldnt even contemplate klitschko until 2-3 fights at the way - just avoid peter, rahman and a few others who would potentially expose a somewhat softish chin and it is not impossible that he could indeed have the division cleaned up within 3-4 years!!
To take what he did against ibraghimov and forget about the rest of the people he destroyed before then is probably what haye is doing as well. Klitschko didn't fight against ibraghimov cause he didn't have to...i blame a poorly prepared ibraghimov as much as i would klitschko for that boring fight. But haye jumping right into this division and taking on the top guy right off the bat imo is crazy, sure haye has a punch and could get lucky, but is that how he wants to go into probably the biggest fight of career. And i actually like haye a little bit, but as it stands right now haye would get ko'ed.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
HAYE: "YOU'RE ALL BUMS AND YOU'LL GET KNOCKED THE F#&K OUT" ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em5XLJKO-i4
It's going to be enjoyable to watch haye laid on his ass.
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Originally Posted by MarTo take what he did against ibraghimov and forget about the rest of the people he destroyed before then is probably what haye is doing as well. Klitschko didn't fight against ibraghimov cause he didn't have to...i blame a poorly prepared ibraghimov as much as i would klitschko for that boring fight. But haye jumping right into this division and taking on the top guy right off the bat imo is crazy, sure haye has a punch and could get lucky, but is that how he wants to go into probably the biggest fight of career. And i actually like haye a little bit, but as it stands right now haye would get ko'ed.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
sultan has evolved and now has good defense, but klitschko was being cautious because sultans left hook is the perfect punch for dropping klitschko, if klitschko would have missed a astraight right and he was countered with sultans left hook he would have been down off balance
klitschko would KTFO haye with little effort
So Haye doesn't need fights at heavyweight before taking on the main champion? (I don't know what to call him now he's not a title holder, he's not the unified champ, I guess partially unified champ but that's way too long to type out everytime).Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Wlad might be tenative vs power punchers but look how freaking dominant he can be vs the very same power punchers.
David Haye may be the best guy out there but I can see other fighters giving him hell and I see Wlad right now beating the ever-living crap out of him.
Wlad by brutal KO... NOT A FUCKING DOUBT IN MY MIND!
Haye is a real boxer Cowardly klitscho will get hammered.
I doubt he us making excuses already...If you read the whole article then you would understand that your statement sounds like a fanboy...Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Why does Haye deserve just to move up to HW and get a shot at the HW title right off the go?....Name one reason?..and the fact he is CW champion does not float as a legit reason
If Klitschko fights smart - which he's been doing - I don't think Haye has much of a chance, unless he gets lucky. Big Wladdy is hardly invincible, though...but he can win fights with the jab alone. I think it would be a better fight than Klitschko's last!
Haye will take some fights before fighting the real big boys in the division. He has to adjust to the weight and it builds his profile. No way is he going straight for Klitscko's. When he is ready, in a couple of years, I feel he will become champion.
There was also the article on the bbc website about this apparent "dinner date" with Wladimir and David Haye. Haye doesn't strike me immediately as one of the fighters who could be terribly irritating and arrogant when he's away from the public eye, but the Klitschko brothers are the ultimate ambassadors for the sport, so I'd take Wlad's word in this case.
If Haye was acting like a prick in what should have been a cordial meeting between the two, then if I was Wlad I'd tell him to come back in a few years when he's grown up. This is boxing, not kids fighting in the playground, and they should act like men, not children.
BBC SPORT | Boxing | Klitschko rules out Haye showdown
I give it 3 fights and if Haye dazzles he will get Klitschko...
Haye barring a catosrophic dissapointment or just fails at that weight, has the potential to beat Klitschko with his abilities..
Haye is strong and quick and has showed grit, not to mention he is very confident, I see Klit being to Tentative, he would need to get Haye out early, cause there is no way he will keep David at bay with just pawing the jab all nite, Haye is to fast and will move into range and when he connects it will be tough for Klitschko to keep his composure
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
I have had correspondence with Haye away from the ring...He is arrogant and annoying...very high on himself
I'm a big Haye fan but I don't like arrogant fighters and since the Enzo win Haye has started mouthing like Malignaggi, calling them all bums is one thing and then saying they're all getting KNFO is another. I'm actually starting to hope that Wlad hit's Haye big on the chin and shuts him up as he's annoying me now with all this name-calling.
I agree with everything other than "Wlad being 'too tenative' ".Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
This fight DESERVES to be built up, if Haye is what you Brits think he is and not just another Audley Harrison then fine, let Haye earn it and let the fight live up to expectations.
Wlad's jab is far from "pawing" it's damn near a power punch in itself and everyone will tell you that from Ray Mercer to Lamon Brewster to Sultan Ibragimov.
Sure the heavyweight division is at a lack of consistant stars but this cruiserweight division is hardly a breeding ground of all-time greats either....
So you Haye fans just better hope David's promotional team doesn't pair him with a tough fighter liek Tony Thompson, Sultan Ibragimov, or Alexandre Dimitrenko......there are very tough fights out there for both Wlad and Haye but if the cards are played correctly this fight will happen and we're going to get our money's worth.
Right now I see Wlad flattening Haye easily because David Haye hasn't taken a true heavyweight punch yet but I leave my opinion open to be influenced by future events
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Originally Posted by LyleI agree with everything other than "Wlad being 'too tenative' ".Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
This fight DESERVES to be built up, if Haye is what you Brits think he is and not just another Audley Harrison then fine, let Haye earn it and let the fight live up to expectations.
Wlad's jab is far from "pawing" it's damn near a power punch in itself and everyone will tell you that from Ray Mercer to Lamon Brewster to Sultan Ibragimov.
Sure the heavyweight division is at a lack of consistant stars but this cruiserweight division is hardly a breeding ground of all-time greats either....
So you Haye fans just better hope David's promotional team doesn't pair him with a tough fighter liek Tony Thompson, Sultan Ibragimov, or Alexandre Dimitrenko......there are very tough fights out there for both Wlad and Haye but if the cards are played correctly this fight will happen and we're going to get our money's worth.
Right now I see Wlad flattening Haye easily because David Haye hasn't taken a true heavyweight punch yet but I leave my opinion open to be influenced by future events
Worrying thing from a british perspective is that haye is worryingly a lot like fraudley harrison.
Although in ring he is technically much sounder and packs a far more devastating artillery, he also seems to enjoy the lifestyle of being a boxer rather than actually getting down to work every once in a while.
Haye claims he only wants 2-3 more years of boxing yet is taking 6months off to put on solid muscle for an assault on the heavyweight division. At the very same time he claims he`ll have the division cleaned up and will retire as undisputed heavyweight champ.
Wishful thinking even for someone like him, Haye needs 3 fights a year bare minimum for this even to become a distinct possibility and i just dont see him prepared to go all out to do so.
I suspect like fraudley he is very much talking up a much bigger fight than he is actually worth
ahahaha great vid Rob. :D I gotta say even though he's a Brit I can't wait to see him get knocked the fuck out by Wladimir.Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
I want him to put an absolute beatdown on his ass. You can tell he's been hanging out with Audley Harrison, he has an ego the size of Jupiter.
In my book that's a much better reason than some of the other heavyweight challengers have.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI doubt he us making excuses already...If you read the whole article then you would understand that your statement sounds like a fanboy...Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Why does Haye deserve just to move up to HW and get a shot at the HW title right off the go?....Name one reason?..and the fact he is CW champion does not float as a legit reason
I definately think Haye has the power to take Wlad out. Not a doubt in my mind. Haye also has the speed and skill to land.
Having said that, Wlad also has the power to KO Haye.
I think it would be an amazing fight.
This is boxing whats wrong with haye being confident?
Klitschko would win because he is bigger, and his jab would totally control Haye. I mean Haye definitely has boxing skills, but so does Klitschko, and Haye has as suspect of a chin as Klitschko does. I know that Klitschko can take one or two punches from a big heavywieght hitter, Peters, Brewster, Sanders, but if you hit him too many times he will fall. However how will Haye feel like after he gets hit by a legitimate puncher at heavyweight weight? We don't know, it probably won't be all that bad, but regardless Klitschko will control this fight with his jab, and drop Haye with a right hand or a left hook.
If Haye establishes himself at heavyweight then a matchup with Wlad will be the biggest fight that could be made. Of course in the mean time Wlad can defend his titles and try and unify the other titles.
Haye better not get caught up in his own hype...Audley Harrison did that and look where it got him
Haye is a bit arrogant in his attitude which i dont usually like. But he's also pretty smooth..in a real way like it his nature to be smooth. Not some manufactured fake persona that a lot of people put on.
I havent watched a whole lot of him yet, but am already becoming a fan. He's an athletic fighter, I like his style. I like his confidence,he will make good fights and always be entertaining.
I think he could give Wlad some problems, even now. I wouldnt bet against Wlad, but if Haye came out strong he has got speed, power, and athleticism he could catch Wlad and possibly put him away. Though if the fight went the distance then Wlad would probably end up destroying Haye, mentally and physically.
I would really like to see this fight. Risky as hell for Haye to want this fight without testing the waters first, but that confidence may be what gets him to the top.
Wlad's defense has improved, his punching has always been big and he is a very athletic fighter as well.
David Haye has a lot of things going for him but Wlad can negate what Haye brings to the table.
Size - at 6'3 Haye is a decently sized cruiserweight but at 6'6 Wlad will easily be the biggest guy Haye has ever fought
Power - Haye can crack but Wlad has the exact same KO percentage as Mike Tyson, he's more deliberate in his approach but he gets it done.
Handspeed - Haye has quick hands but Wlad can pull the trigger mighty quick for a guy that big
Experience - Wlad has been hurt and come back to win, he's been down and come back to win, he has been the Champion AND the Challenger multiple times....Haye has SOME experience just not as much.
If worse comes to worse Wlad can gut out a win and be dominant with the jab enough to get by on points as well.
I'm not saying Haye doesn't have a chance.......but then again ;D
Here's one of Haye's coronaters. The guy isn't even proven at heavyweight and you want him in with the top guy. It's reasonable for Wlad to say he needs to show he belongs in the division before he fights the linear champ. There's a dozen guys we don't know that Haye could beat before coming to Klitschko. And before you call Klitschko's chin 'china' realize his problem is the same as Haye's: if he pushes too hard he gets tired and susceptible to being kayoed.Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Klitschko destroyed Ray Austin, a legit HW who was the #1 contender and ppl complained. Why would we turn around and treat Haye as if he belongs in the ring with Wlad at this point. After David got smoked we'd be complaining that he just beat up a Cruiserweight.
A short, light punching, old Fragomeni gave Haye almost more than he could handle, out jabbing him out fighting him, till Hayes power got to him late.
Haye wouldnt be as quick to tryt he attacks against someone the size and strength of Wlad.
By no means do I think Wlad is any good but Haye doesnt take a shot and cant fight at a pace.
Thompson knocked Haye out when he was 40, Wlad hasnt been stopped by a cruiser;D
Haye's corner threw in the towel since he was fatigued... Klit got stopped by a tomato can journey man Ross Purrity and a Pro golfer Corrie Sanders..Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
JT, C'mon...
I don't even know why people are even giving this "fight" so much thought and wasting valuable life typing about it...
The long and short of it... Like it or not Wlad is THE BEST IN THE HW DIV.
Wlad can KO 99.99% of the HWs in the div using only his jab... Sad but true;)
David Haye is a fun flashy Cruiser with some pop... Great... He also has a suspect chin and never fought at HW...
Wlad lands ONE... I REPEAT ONE right hand and it's fucking nite nite...
I have no idea why people are putting so much stock in Haye... Yes, I wish he could breath new life into the HW div too but let's be serious here...
Does Wlad also have a suspect chin? Yes... What type of guys have knocked Wlad down... FUCKING HEAVEYweights!
I do not like Wlad... Let's get that straight! But David Haye has dillusions of grandure and he must be a good salesman cuz he sold alot of your gullible asses;D
How does Haye have "delusions of grandeur?"
He was an excellent amateur. He turned pro intending to be a heavyweight. First goal was to become undisputed criuserweight champ.. not just win a belt - be the MAN.
He did exactly what he said.
Now he's taking on the heavyweight challenge. Instead of playing it safe, raking in the cash KOing crap-plodders he heads straight for the top man - Wlad.
What's the problem? :-\
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Granted this is the case... Thus far.
Be careful what you wish for, David, you just might get it.
I'll bump this thread once Haye get's nearly decapitated by Wlad inside 4.;)
So what if Wlad sparks him.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Granted this is the case... Thus far.
Be careful what you wish for, David, you just might get it.
I'll bump this thread once Haye get's nearly decapitated by Wlad inside 4.;)
At least the guy ain't a fucking FAKE cunt telling the world he's the best without TRUELY seeking the challenge.
Haye puts his money where his mouth is :cool:
I'm not arguing that fact... not at all... and sparked he will get;DQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterSo what if Wlad sparks him.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Granted this is the case... Thus far.
Be careful what you wish for, David, you just might get it.
I'll bump this thread once Haye get's nearly decapitated by Wlad inside 4.;)
At least the guy ain't a fucking FAKE cunt telling the world he's the best without TRUELY seeking the challenge.
Haye puts his money where his mouth is :cool:
And being the guy he is, he'll dust himself down and KO a few guys to get himself straight back in the mix :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONI'm not arguing that fact... not at all... and sparked he will get;DQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterSo what if Wlad sparks him.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
At least the guy ain't a fucking FAKE cunt telling the world he's the best without TRUELY seeking the challenge.
Haye puts his money where his mouth is :cool:
Haye thinks he can be the best man at heavyweight,he could just fight average fighters on the verge of been top 7 in the world and call himself the best no one would believe him but many fighters have done that,but he wants the top fighter in the division so if he wins he can call himself the man.