If all at there prime,not sure what weight 2 go 4 here,lets say SMW would have fought each other (and Toney was'nt weight drained either) outcomes? Who would u of liked 2 see fight most? Or in unification box off,who comes away the Champ?
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If all at there prime,not sure what weight 2 go 4 here,lets say SMW would have fought each other (and Toney was'nt weight drained either) outcomes? Who would u of liked 2 see fight most? Or in unification box off,who comes away the Champ?
Jones>Toney>Hopkins(close)>Calzaghe. Imo.
RJJ by a long way.
1.Jones
2. Hopkins
3.Toney
4.Calzaghe
What Calzaghe ever have lost to Drake Thadzi?
Roy
Calzaghe
Toney
Hokpins
Fact.
Jones, Hopkins, Toney, Calzaghe
RJJ
B-Hop
Calzaghe
Toney (No way the other 3 lose to Thadzi or Griffin) without DQ ;)
I think RJJ beats all of them at any weight tbh,I could see him UD all at SMW,possibly stoping Calzaghe.For me the intrigueing match up would b Hopkins V Toney,can u imagine the trash talk?! Then u got the fight,could'nt imagine it 2 b the most exciting of fights,but 2 put 2 of the best Boxing brains in there with each other of the last 15yrs would b intresting enough. 1.RJJ 2.Toney/Hopkins 2 tough 2 call 4.Calzaghe,I'd say Toney and Hopkins would pull of a SD on Joe.
i'm goner upset some people but
roy jones, hopkins and toney would all fight each other, but i doubt joe would fight any in there prime
i think hopkins would beat jones, toney would beat hopkins, roy jones beats toney, hopkins beats toney in re-match, roy jones beats hopkins in re-match, toney betters jones in re-match, hopkins and toney draw the rubber match and roy jones and hopkins fail to aggree terms for rubber match, toney no longer can make weight for rubber with jones.................................many years after those 3 are pasted there primes calzaghe suprises suprise wants to fight them, gets a lucky close points win over hopkins and lobbys to get fight with roy jones,
thats my funny take
RJJ best of all
Hopkins beat Toney at middle but looses at Supermiddle
Galzaghe beats Hopkins and Toney at Super
jones > hopkins > toney > * > calzagheQuote:
Originally Posted by njackets
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Its a shame these 4 all fought mostly in diffrent weights,there all more or less natualy the same size,Can u imagine them all in the same weight class about 6 or 7 years ago?!
RJJ - Toney - Hopkins Calzaghe
the reason they didnt fight a SM is simple all except Calzaghe move on to bigger thingsin the case of RJJ AND TONEY) , and used Sm as stepping stone earlier in their careers , and Calzaghe stayed there way to long .
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Originally Posted by BIG H
The thread implied that they were all in their prime on their best form. Do you think that any Calzaghe would have beat say the Toney that beat Barkley? I can't see what Calzaghe was capable of doing so.
Jones
Hopkins (around the time he fought Trinidad would have been great to see against a prime Jones IMO)
Toney (at his best would have defeated Calzaghe)
Calzaghe (at his best may have defeated Toney)
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Originally Posted by BIG H
Would Calzaghe have fought the best from middleweight to HEAVYWEIGHT and still had success?
IMO...
1. Jones
2. James Toney
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Calzaghe
I know it seems like Im being hard on Calzaghe, but IMO Jones, Toney and Hopkins are on a different level, these guys are some of the best our generation has produced.
Agree completely.. It's really not even all that close imo. Calzaghe is a great fighter but just not quite the athlete that Jones or Toney were, and not quite as skilled as Hopkins was.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Would Calzaghe have fought the best from middleweight to HEAVYWEIGHT and still had success?
IMO...
1. Jones
2. James Toney
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Calzaghe
I know it seems like Im being hard on Calzaghe, but IMO Jones, Toney and Hopkins are on a different level, these guys are some of the best our generation has produced.
yeh i agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Does that mean you don't rate Calzaghe's win over Hopkins then?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingAgree completely.. It's really not even all that close imo. Calzaghe is a great fighter but just not quite the athlete that Jones or Toney were, and not quite as skilled as Hopkins was.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Would Calzaghe have fought the best from middleweight to HEAVYWEIGHT and still had success?
IMO...
1. Jones
2. James Toney
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Calzaghe
I know it seems like Im being hard on Calzaghe, but IMO Jones, Toney and Hopkins are on a different level, these guys are some of the best our generation has produced.
id have it
Jones-Calzaghe-Hopkins-Toney
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Originally Posted by ono
We're talking about primes. 44 year old Hopkins is a great Hopkins, but not prime Hopkins. Considering how much trouble JC had with 44 year old Hopkins, its hard to imagine him beating prime Hopkins IMO
He's 43, and to be honest I can't remember too many Hopkins fights where he impressed me any more than he did against JC, he's always boring and innactive! As far as JC goes, that was probably the worst I have seen him! Prime for prime nobody really knows
U have a point! Im sure ppl will say the Trinidad fight was Hopkins at his Prime,but I think the Hopkins then,may have been fitter,but the Hopkins that beat Tarver was a cleverer,more experianced Boxer,which Hopkins was the most dangerous?!Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Hopkins always came in with a great game plan or two. He has always been a very clever fighter IMO & the win over Trinidad who was a big favorite coming in just exposed that to more people. When he fought Jones it was really his first time on the big stage & he was to tentative & gave Jones to much respect. I don't think he ever let that happen again!Quote:
Originally Posted by njacketsU have a point! Im sure ppl will say the Trinidad fight was Hopkins at his Prime,but I think the Hopkins then,may have been fitter,but the Hopkins that beat Tarver was a cleverer,more experianced Boxer,which Hopkins was the most dangerous?!Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I remember when there was Toney was at 190 & there was talk of a Hopkins/ Toney bout (It was on a Ring cover too) it would have been to technically brilliant old school fighters going at it. My opinion is Hopkins always had another gear to move into & a plan b or c if needed. It would have been a great battle to see