http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=O5VQtI6mjlU
another new video,wlad hits back in his own restrained classy way,after meeting haye the other day on an escalator
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=O5VQtI6mjlU
another new video,wlad hits back in his own restrained classy way,after meeting haye the other day on an escalator
Great post. Wlad and Haye will end up fighting. Give it a year.
Wlad showing a nice quiet confidence. I think Haye tried to intimidate him, but it failed.
Definately failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Wlad has his own agenda clearly, and right now it does not include being lured into a fight with Haye. Haye needs to prove himself at Wlad's weight class, and both of them will be better off for it if and when a fight happens.
I hate when fighters do the whole... "I never heard of him before" bullshit makes them sound stupid...
Who are you exactly? I don't seem to have noticed you on the boards up to now? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Exactly!!! You know how stupid you just sounded there:confused:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboWho are you exactly? I don't seem to have noticed you on the boards up to now? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
haha :bucktooth:Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockExactly!!! You know how stupid you just sounded there:confused:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboWho are you exactly? I don't seem to have noticed you on the boards up to now? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
I think I need to see how Haye's power/skills transfer to heavyweight before I'd give him much of a shot vs. Wlad. I'd love to watch Wlad beat Haye comatose though.
The more public this confrontation becomes, the more stupid Haye looks.
If Klitschko had more devil in him when he is in the ring ,he could be a huge star because he has a media friendly personality.
But, at the end of the day the general public want their heavyweight champions to obliterate their opponents,not to see a nice guy winning by jabbing and staying safe. I appreciate Walds style, but I can see why the average person isnt interested.
I see your on the Haye side for this fight if it comes off.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Save me a place on sig. or Rep. points bet.
I'm taking Wladdy. :cool:
Klitchko better start RANNIN!!!
Haye is just doing what boxers have done forever. They need to open their mouths if they wanna get a shot at something. Its like Carl Froch all these years saying he wants Calzaghe and no one thinks he deserves to shine Joe's boots let alone share a ring with him.
....and They are right, Carl Froch hasn't done anything and therefore hasn't gotten a shot and he hasn't deserved one.
Haye hasn't done anything at heavyweight AND he really hasn't even cleared out the cruiserweight division either. He beat Jean Marc Mormeck.....that's it and based on that fight along with the Maccarenelli fight he thinks he should get THE HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE FIGHT .....suddenly Ray Austin seems very deserving.
Tony Thompson and Alex Povetkin deserve their title shots.
I would like to see Haye vs Povetkin or Sultan Ibragimov
Yeah I aint sayin he deserves a title shot right away by any means, but he's an ambitious guys and has alot of self belief. I'm just saying he's making himself be heard and so boxers and the fans will keep an eye out for him to see what he can bring to the table in a potential fight later along the line.
I agree the others deserve their shot first as they have rightfully fought their way there, but if Haye delivers what he says then his shot will come.
I like Haye, I think he can bring some new life into a dire division, however I personally would like him to take on some highly ranked or seasoned guys before Klitchko.
Wasn't there some talk that the WBA would automatically rate him highly because he was their cruiserweight champion? I dunno if there's any truth in this but I would fancy him to do a number on Chagaev!
Anyway it seems he wants to fight the big names right away and fair play to him for doing so. Since he doesn't wanna fight past 30 years of age he doesn't have a lot of time to conquer his ambitions.
I initially thought if he wanted to cause a fuss in america he could fight the undefeated Chris Arreola. Highly rated, high KO%, undefeated american. I saw him on the Williams/Quintana undercard and I don't think he'd cause Haye too many problems. He doesn't have many good names on his record either, but it'd be a good start for Haye in the States for me.
Anyway we have a bit of a wait to see Haye in action at heavyweight!
Anyone can TALK, hell Charlie Zelenoff TALKS.... but he doesn't deserve a title shot just because he's an arrogant prick. Now obviously Haye has done good but he hasn't gained the experience needed to give Wladimir any trouble.
Funny vid with Tyson saying he has no idea who David Haye is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpLq0...eature=related
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Originally Posted by match
hahahahaha I think this clearly puts into perspective David Haye's current place in the boxing world ;D
He's a fucking nobody, he's made a couple appearances on Showtime but only fighting a barely known Frenchman and a completely unknown Welshman.
To put that into perspective Clinton Woods is probably 100 x better known than David Haye in the US after his fights with Roy Jones Jr and Antonio Tarver.
Haye is completely and totally unknown. I have no doubt that Wlad probably never had heard of him before he started calling his name out. I mean do you really think Wlad has ever spent any time in the last couple years thinking about the likes of Mormeck, O Neil Bell and Steve Cunningham?
They are just nobodies in the general consciousness of boxing and Haye is still a complete nobody in heavyweight terms.
He needs to learn some humility and not go down the Charlie Zelenoff route of thinking he's already a legend. Wlad would retire him if they met right now. Kind of makes me want to see it......
Just a few months back before the Enzo fight Bernard Hopkins didn't know who Haye was either.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by match
hahahahaha I think this clearly puts into perspective David Haye's current place in the boxing world ;D
He's a fucking nobody, he's made a couple appearances on Showtime but only fighting a barely known Frenchman and a completely unknown Welshman.
To put that into perspective Clinton Woods is probably 100 x better known than David Haye in the US after his fights with Roy Jones Jr and Antonio Tarver.
Haye is completely and totally unknown. I have no doubt that Wlad probably never had heard of him before he started calling his name out. I mean do you really think Wlad has ever spent any time in the last couple years thinking about the likes of Mormeck, O Neil Bell and Steve Cunningham?
They are just nobodies in the general consciousness of boxing and Haye is still a complete nobody in heavyweight terms.
He needs to learn some humility and not go down the Charlie Zelenoff route of thinking he's already a legend. Wlad would retire him if they met right now. Kind of makes me want to see it......
Yet Haye was ringside seated next to Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy Promotions for Calzaghe-Hopkins.
Clearly he is becoming known to the RIGHT people very fast.
So if you don't like the hype now wait till it really starts ;)
Bilbo your opinion is valid but you are being a little bit ignorant about the cruiserweights. They are all the top guys in the division and Haye has clearly showed us he is a different class to them all. He can only beat what the division has to offer and he has done just that, and in style!Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by match
hahahahaha I think this clearly puts into perspective David Haye's current place in the boxing world ;D
He's a fucking nobody, he's made a couple appearances on Showtime but only fighting a barely known Frenchman and a completely unknown Welshman.
To put that into perspective Clinton Woods is probably 100 x better known than David Haye in the US after his fights with Roy Jones Jr and Antonio Tarver.
Haye is completely and totally unknown. I have no doubt that Wlad probably never had heard of him before he started calling his name out. I mean do you really think Wlad has ever spent any time in the last couple years thinking about the likes of Mormeck, O Neil Bell and Steve Cunningham?
They are just nobodies in the general consciousness of boxing and Haye is still a complete nobody in heavyweight terms.
He needs to learn some humility and not go down the Charlie Zelenoff route of thinking he's already a legend. Wlad would retire him if they met right now. Kind of makes me want to see it......
Also Woods is more popular because he's been over to fight two of your top boxers, whereas Haye is still young and only just looking to go over there to fight. So that kind of figures.
Anyways you can retract your comments after Haye has ko'd a few of your boys and we'll have done with it ;)
Fair play to Klitchko. Think he's right in what he says. Haye is a good boxer, but there's a massive difference in getting hit by a heavyweight.
Well first off I'm British so Jones and Tarver are not my guys ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by totalboxing1Bilbo your opinion is valid but you are being a little bit ignorant about the cruiserweights. They are all the top guys in the division and Haye has clearly showed us he is a different class to them all. He can only beat what the division has to offer and he has done just that, and in style!Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by match
hahahahaha I think this clearly puts into perspective David Haye's current place in the boxing world ;D
He's a fucking nobody, he's made a couple appearances on Showtime but only fighting a barely known Frenchman and a completely unknown Welshman.
To put that into perspective Clinton Woods is probably 100 x better known than David Haye in the US after his fights with Roy Jones Jr and Antonio Tarver.
Haye is completely and totally unknown. I have no doubt that Wlad probably never had heard of him before he started calling his name out. I mean do you really think Wlad has ever spent any time in the last couple years thinking about the likes of Mormeck, O Neil Bell and Steve Cunningham?
They are just nobodies in the general consciousness of boxing and Haye is still a complete nobody in heavyweight terms.
He needs to learn some humility and not go down the Charlie Zelenoff route of thinking he's already a legend. Wlad would retire him if they met right now. Kind of makes me want to see it......
Also Woods is more popular because he's been over to fight two of your top boxers, whereas Haye is still young and only just looking to go over there to fight. So that kind of figures.
Anyways you can retract your comments after Haye has ko'd a few of your boys and we'll have done with it ;)
Secondly Haye hasn't shown he's different class at all. He got dropped by Mormeck and in a life and death fight his greater power was the telling difference.
Enzo is just a decent domestic level fighter nothing more. Lee Swaby Ko'd him in 3
Beating Jean Marc Mormec is just not that big a feat in world terms. It's an impressive victory especially going over to France to do it but Mormeck is at the end of his career and certainly wouldn't be able to cut it in the heavyweight divsion.
The cruiserweight division is looking pretty weak any way. Bell has showed he's got nothing left. Mormeck didn't have anything left when Haye fought him and there's very little to no talent in the divsion apart from Haye and Cunningham.
But at heavyweight, even though it's a weak division there are still several fighters, more than 10 that I'd fancy would either KO Haye or outbox him.
Wlad,
Peter,
Thompson
Valuev
Chagaev
Chambers
Povetkin
J C Gomez
Dimitrenko
I'd pick all of them to beat him.
I'd also even give old timers like Oliver McCall, Oleg Maskaev, Jameel McCline, John Ruiz and some of the new breed like Kevin Johnson, Chris Areola and myabe even domestic rivals Matt Skelton and Danny Williams to upset him.
He's far far far far from beatable. In fact any heavyweight who he can't get out of there inside 6 rounds would probably be favourite to take him out.
I don't see anything on his resume that suggests he's going to be a huge force at heavyweight.
I'm sure he'll get a shot. I belive Warren is managing him now and he'll doubtless guide him well. A win over a shot former champ like Hasim Rahman would be a great way to get him American recognition for instance.
But anyone who can stand up to his power will beat him imo.
Appollogies for the mistake of nationality ;)
I see your points and your opinions are justified. I could be overestimating him like many others but I think its more the excitement we have a british guy in there going after the heavyweights to try and ignite some spark into the scene. He may have beaten domestic and past their best fighters in Macca and Mormeck, but he's still created a buzz doing so, and therefore you see why the excitment is there.
Like I said I like Haye and I really hope he can do as he says at the heavyweight scene and not be another Bruno who everyone loved for his efforts rather than success.
Warren managing Haye? Thankfully not.
If Warren was guiding him he'd be fighting Pele Reid next followed by Martin Rogan then Fat John Mcdermott, Sprott, Williams, Skelton and Audley.. in amongst the rematches. Fact.
i do like david haye, and think he's goner give many heavyweights a run for there money but sometimes they way he speaks really lets himself down
The Tyson video made me laugh. ;D
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Originally Posted by match
No mention of a 3rd Holyfield fight then . I didnt think Tyson would know anything about Haye and he didnt . Holyfield asked who David Haye was when he was in England recently cuz he was invited to the fight with Mac.
Im sure Wvlad saw Haye vs Thompson and just feels all he has to do is stick his left hand in Hayes face until he gets tired.