this should be interesting, my current 10.........
1.Mayweather (usa)
2.Calzaghe (GB)
3.Cotto (PR)
4.Pavlik (usa)
5.Pacquiao (phi)
6.Vazquez (mex)
7.JM Marquez (mex)
8.Hatton (GB)
9.Hopkins (usa)
10.Linares (ven)
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this should be interesting, my current 10.........
1.Mayweather (usa)
2.Calzaghe (GB)
3.Cotto (PR)
4.Pavlik (usa)
5.Pacquiao (phi)
6.Vazquez (mex)
7.JM Marquez (mex)
8.Hatton (GB)
9.Hopkins (usa)
10.Linares (ven)
1. Mayweather
2. Cotto
3. Pacquiao
4. Calzaghe
5. Pavlik
6. Hatton
7. Vazquez
8. JM Marquez
9. Margirito
10. De La Hoya
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Cotto and Mayweather is a must.
My Top 10 are;
1- Mayweather
2- Pacquiao
3- Cotto
4- Pavlik
5- Calzaghe
6- Israel Vazquez
7- JM Marquez
8- Winky Wright
9- Ivan Calderon
10- Hatton
How did people have Calzaghe ahead of Pacquaio? In his fight with Hopkins it was much less obvious who won even though both fights were close. And why would anyone have Pavlik so high after his second fight against Taylor is beyond me
Mayweather
Pacquaio
Calzaghe
Cotto
Marquez
Hopkins
Pavlik
Wright
Mosley, if he gets by Zab with an easy time he deserves to be higher.
De La Hoya hey I think he still beats most guys.
1.calzaghe
2.mayweather
3.manny p
4.cotto
5.vasquez
6.marquez
7.pavlik
8.hatton
9.delahoya
10.haye
its a personal choice,each to there own,why should we follow your lead!Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I like your's best so far I think. It is becoming a very close pick for second spot though. I didn't think Calzaghe or Pavlik deserve to be above Pacquiao but there is an arguement for Cotto imo, not so much based on achievements even as much as how Cotto has looked in his last 3 fights, and the fact that Pac didn't look great in the Marquez rematch. Definetly don't think Calzaghe could overtake either of those two though, based on achievements or ability. Pavlik as well, is just too limited to be called a better fighter than Pac Cotto or Joe imo, though if he keeps KOing top fighters it's hard to use that arguement. I personally wouldn't have Hatton or Winky WRight on the list at all either, unless either can redeem themselves BIG time. Guess I may as well just try and put together my own 10....So,Quote:
Originally Posted by Macho
1.Mayweather
2.Pacquiao
3.Cotto
4.JM Marquez
5. Calzaghe
6. I want to put Joan Guzman fairly high, since Id give him every chance at beating Pacquiao or Marquez, as well as most anyone else from 126-135 the more I see of him.
-From about number 3 on the order could go just about anyway, but especially from here imo, my 6-10 spots. It's too subjective but oh well.
7. Israel Vasquez
8.Rafael Marquez
9.Ivan Calderon
10. Hopkins
Honourable Mentions: Jorge Linares, Winky Wright(though I suspect he is not capable of performing like he did a couple years back, at any weight therefore maybe not deserving of a top 15 spot.) Oh Christian Mijares, I really like him, but don't know nearly enough of the lower weights to rate him properly, maybe he could've made a top 10 spot.. I'm sure there are a ton of lower weight fighters that are in contention at the least so I won't even try.
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Originally Posted by Macho
I'm with you Macho!
:thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:
Very realistic and unbiased choice.
Mayweather
JMM (beat pac twice ;))
Pac
Cotto
Calzaghe
1. Zelenoff
2. Butterbean
3. Power Punching Specialist
4. Ill Mitch
5. John Ruiz
ok maybe not
1. Mayweather
2. PAC
3. Cotto
4. Calzaghe
5. Vazquez
6. JMM
7. Rafa Marquez
8. Pavlik
9. Calderon
10. Guzman
He asked how people had Calzaghe ahead of Pacquiao, didn't tell anyone what to think. Seeing as you have Joe at number one though, there isn't much point in this methinks. Since it's a personal choice though, I guess I'll put Emanuel Augustus as my number 2. I like watching him, he must be damn good.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1g5a22its a personal choice,each to there own,why should we follow your lead!Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
He beat Pac twice with what?.. with weak ass counterpunching? Sorry but imo, fighters who are more aggreesive and inflect bigger damages gets my vote for the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Pac sent JMM 4 times to the canvas. :lolhaha:
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u do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingHe asked how people had Calzaghe ahead of Pacquiao, didn't tell anyone what to think. Seeing as you have Joe at number one though, there isn't much point in this methinks. Since it's a personal choice though, I guess I'll put Emanuel Augustus as my number 2. I like watching him, he must be damn good.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1g5a22its a personal choice,each to there own,why should we follow your lead!Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
[quote=Pacstraightleft;511732]He beat Pac twice with what?.. with weak ass counterpunching? Sorry but imo, fighters who are more aggreesive and inflect bigger damages gets my vote for the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Pac sent JMM 4 times to the canvas. :lolhaha:
to be fair though in the first fight JMM recovered from a devastating 3 knock down opening round to dominate the rest of the fight and in my eyes take at least 7 of the remaining 11 rounds!!
By the end of the 2nd fight i had it 114-114 dead level even though pac got a ridiculous 115-112 from one of the judges.
JMM can count himself VERY unlucky not to of scored one win over pac in the 2 contests they fought.
PS:As for the guy who has pavlik over calzaghe.......are you serious?? :o:o:o
What a surprise you piped up ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftHe beat Pac twice with what?.. with weak ass counterpunching? Sorry but imo, fighters who are more aggreesive and inflect bigger damages gets my vote for the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Pac sent JMM 4 times to the canvas. :lolhaha:
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Originally Posted by killersheep
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7D8EUz_b9Y
;D
Power punching specialist is my ATG#1Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONPower punching specialist is my ATG#1Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Damn straight.
This list is bullshyt! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepQuote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONPower punching specialist is my ATG#1Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Damn straight.
how do you not have jerry hackney on the top 5! :mad: for crist sake he got hackney, his so good we named a k.o after him :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_A77xlV4U4
1.Floyd 2.Pacman 3.Calzaghe 4.JMM 5.Hopkins 6.Winky 7.Margarito 8.Cotto 9.Pavlik 10.Mosley Dont watch enough of the lighter weights 2 include them,im sure Vazquez or Marquez prob deserve 2 b in there though!
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Originally Posted by Julius RainThis list is bullshyt! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepQuote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
Damn straight.
how do you not have jerry hackney on the top 5! :mad: for crist sake he got hackney, his so good we named a k.o after him :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_A77xlV4U4
HAHAHAHAHAA I have Hackney at # 6
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Originally Posted by njackets
Vasquez, Marquez, and several other deserve to be there FAR before Margarito. He's not top 10 in any way, there are probably 10 flyweights who are better p4p fighters than Margarito.
1-Floyd
2-Pac
3-Calzaghe
4-Cotto
5-JMM
6-Vasquez
7-Pavlik
8-Hatton
9-R. Marquez
10- BHOP
The top 7 IMO, are clear, 8-9-10 could be juggled but this is the way I see it right now.
Nearly missing the list, but are 1 decent win away from making it are-Vlad, N.Donaire, Margarito, etc.
you call this weak. LOL !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftHe beat Pac twice with what?.. with weak ass counterpunching? Sorry but imo, fighters who are more aggreesive and inflect bigger damages gets my vote for the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Pac sent JMM 4 times to the canvas. :lolhaha:
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as for my top 10
1.Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Manny Pacquaio
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Miguel Cotto
7. Izrael Vasquez
8. Kelly Pavlik
9. Wladimir Klitschko
10. Ricky Hatton
1. Mayweather
2. PAC
3. Cotto
4. Calzaghe
5. Vazquez
6. JMM
7. Rafa Marquez
8. Pavlik
9. Calderon
10. Wright
I just modified Killersheeps list a little. I think third on down are all validly debatable. Admittedly I don't watch man fighters below around 130. there are alot of really good fighters around now, who you can criticize in this way or that way. but every one of them I think, "gosh Calzaghe beat Hopkins, Kessler, reigned over the division for 10 years". Or Vazquez "is coming off winning the greatest trilogy ever." Or Cotto has dismantled everyone he has faced including Mosely and made Paulie take a huge one sided beating (and Paulie has since become a star in his own right.) JMM has a great resume behind him and fought Pac and always showing of himself.
Pavlik has been very dominant as a limited fighter.
The weakest name I have on my list is Winky at tenth. Coming off a loss to a man who just lost, and lengthy inactivity he is hard to put on any list. However, he has been a super tough opponent with one of the greatest career resumes as anyone in the game. Also he made a good showing of himself in the deep waters of a much heavier division against Hopkins in a fight I thought was poorly refereed. To overcome all of this he should have made the fight with Kessler or someone very soon afterwards.
All good lists and i like the discussion.
Compare that to the 4 knockdowns that JMM took from Pac?.. Hell yeah that's weak. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91you call this weak. LOL !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftHe beat Pac twice with what?.. with weak ass counterpunching? Sorry but imo, fighters who are more aggreesive and inflect bigger damages gets my vote for the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Pac sent JMM 4 times to the canvas. :lolhaha:
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as for my top 10
1.Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Manny Pacquaio
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Miguel Cotto
7. Izrael Vasquez
8. Kelly Pavlik
9. Wladimir Klitschko
10. Ricky Hatton
Correction! 5 knock downs...
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:p;D
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Originally Posted by ds91you call this weak. LOL !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftHe beat Pac twice with what?.. with weak ass counterpunching? Sorry but imo, fighters who are more aggreesive and inflect bigger damages gets my vote for the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Pac sent JMM 4 times to the canvas. :lolhaha:
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as for my top 10
1.Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Manny Pacquaio
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Miguel Cotto
7. Izrael Vasquez
8. Kelly Pavlik
9. Wladimir Klitschko
10. Ricky Hatton
yea that wasn't that hard pac was out of balance even jmm knew it thats why he didn't have any intensity to follow up.
You would of had a better point if you showed the body shot jmm caught pac with in round 8, now that would of sent other fighters in a crawl position. For example: oscar dela hoya would of been on the floor trying to gasp for air like a fish wearing fishnets ;D
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Originally Posted by Julius RainThis list is bullshyt! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepQuote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
Damn straight.
how do you not have jerry hackney on the top 5! :mad: for crist sake he got hackney, his so good we named a k.o after him :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_A77xlV4U4
Where the fuck is Brian Sutherlnd a.k.a. mullet boxer