Its a fight that could happen in the next few years.
Its a hard one to pick because we have never seen Froch really tested yet.
What do you think?
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Its a fight that could happen in the next few years.
Its a hard one to pick because we have never seen Froch really tested yet.
What do you think?
At this time Kessler for me. Froch is great coming forward and has neraly all the tools, but his defence is awful and he will get tagged at some point soonQuote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Kessler.
Mikkel has a nice textbook style and he's blessed with a touch of power.
Gotta with Mikkel. IMO Kessler will just pick him apart with single clean powerful shots, KO in 8 or less
I'd say Kessler UD but Froch has the power to KO him so it's a tough one to call.
Kessler at a canter ;D
Kessler by ko/tko at the moment, Frochs to easy to hit
Kessler by brutal KO. This is another fight Froch will duck.
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Originally Posted by ono
Just because one man has power, does not always make a fight tough to call. Froch would have a punchers chance if that's what you meant, but anyone with a pair of eyes who has seen both of these guys should heavily favour Kessler to take him apart.. I mean Froch couldn't slip or parry a shot to save his life, he stands tall with his hands at his waist. I doubt he'll do much of anything with his career personally, he's WAY to easy to hit and Kessler has good power himself, he could easily KO Froch early with that stance.
mikkel kessler
Where is Tam Seddon?
Mikkel Kessler
If Froch doesnt start having big fights soon he is gonna miss teh boat . I think you cant teach an old dogs new tricks and Froch is now stuck with his poor defence. At the level hes been fighting at he hasnt needed it but he would vs Kess .
Mikkel is a better boxer IMO and would outbox him . Froch is decent can hit fairly hard but I dont see him beating Kess .
Im here, im here. Well I think Kessler has the better fighters under his belt and he cant half go for it like he showed against JC. But Froch has that ability to delieve that one lethal shot that really does bring you into a scrap, its hard for a fighter to go in there and exploit his 'weak' defence from his ring composure. I believe that Kessler wouldnt simply be able to outbox and at some stage in the fight he could do that, but he cant run all night, its not even in his nature to do that. Power for Power both men I feel can deliver a major punch and thats why I think this one will be intresting.
Froch would have done a lot better fight Inkin this weekend to see where he stands with the upperclass fighters. Im not saying this weekend will be a walk over for him, but I think Carl has the tools to stop him.
From what we have seen so far, rightfully so most people will back Kessler, but I'll tell you this, if Froch caught Kessler with a wincing body shot, he would finish him, hes amazing at knockouts finishes and would end it for sure.
I think this will be a very competative and enjoyable fight, but I think my man would stop him.
Froch is to easy to hit,Kessler by tko.
Going on the current standard of the 2 id probably go for kessler to force a 10/11 round stoppage.
As said countless times on this already frochs stance makes him very easy to tag and he would never of been hit as hard or often as what someone like kessler would be able to do.
I suspect froch would dominate early on and mikkel would find it hard going toe to toe 3minutes every round. By the middle rounds though kessler would find his accuracy and begin to catch froch on the counter on frochs way out.
By 10/11 i expect frochs heart to get the better of his head and the ref to eventually pull him out either through severe cuts or a barrage of punches.
thats what you think mate, but its not that simple to hit him, trust me. its decieving on the eyes.
Why would Kessler have to run for 12 rounds, when he couldn't miss a 1-2 off Froch's skull if he tried? Froch would need an amazing jaw to make it far enough into the fight where things could get interesting, but even still, I'm really not sure anyone can be very succesful against world class fighters with Froch's stance, you just can't be that open for everything all the time. I really just can't think of a single fighter who's ever been succesful with dropping their hands that low, without having incredible reflexes, slickness, and defensive instincts. Of which Froch is 0 for 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Kessler would hammer Froch. Froch hasn't fought anyone who is anywhere near Kessler in terms of skill and experience, Froch is easy to hit and I think Kessler would be able to handle his power. I'd be amazed if Froch made it to the final bell.
Im not saying he would run away for 12 rounds, i said he most likely wouldnt, I dont think he would to be honest, he would want to get involved with the action. But Froch has proven a chin and has never hit the mat before, I think defence will have to improve on the higher levels of fighting, but if you see in the Reid fight, he simply just couldnt get inside or work anything, his only chance of landing a shot was a wild overhand right, which didnt really do too much against carl. Carls reflexes are pretty good and footwork, he can get out of trouble easy, and put people into trouble easy. Its a hard one to call, but Kessler would have to also demenstrate a good chin too because he wouldnt have faced anybody as powerful as froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingWhy would Kessler have to run for 12 rounds, when he couldn't miss a 1-2 off Froch's skull if he tried? Froch would need an amazing jaw to make it far enough into the fight where things could get interesting, but even still, I'm really not sure anyone can be very succesful against world class fighters with Froch's stance, you just can't be that open for everything all the time. I really just can't think of a single fighter who's ever been succesful with dropping their hands that low, without having incredible reflexes, slickness, and defensive instincts. Of which Froch is 0 for 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Kessler, wouldn't think twice.
No doubt Froch has a punchers chance but i wory about his defence at the very top i reckon acccurate punchers will pick him apart.
Froch's chin is in no way proven against high-level competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonIm not saying he would run away for 12 rounds, i said he most likely wouldnt, I dont think he would to be honest, he would want to get involved with the action. But Froch has proven a chin and has never hit the mat before, I think defence will have to improve on the higher levels of fighting, but if you see in the Reid fight, he simply just couldnt get inside or work anything, his only chance of landing a shot was a wild overhand right, which didnt really do too much against carl. Carls reflexes are pretty good and footwork, he can get out of trouble easy, and put people into trouble easy. Its a hard one to call, but Kessler would have to also demenstrate a good chin too because he wouldnt have faced anybody as powerful as froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingWhy would Kessler have to run for 12 rounds, when he couldn't miss a 1-2 off Froch's skull if he tried? Froch would need an amazing jaw to make it far enough into the fight where things could get interesting, but even still, I'm really not sure anyone can be very succesful against world class fighters with Froch's stance, you just can't be that open for everything all the time. I really just can't think of a single fighter who's ever been succesful with dropping their hands that low, without having incredible reflexes, slickness, and defensive instincts. Of which Froch is 0 for 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
well we would have seen him against Inkin this sat, but we cant now, so we will have to wait...Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHFroch's chin is in no way proven against high-level competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonIm not saying he would run away for 12 rounds, i said he most likely wouldnt, I dont think he would to be honest, he would want to get involved with the action. But Froch has proven a chin and has never hit the mat before, I think defence will have to improve on the higher levels of fighting, but if you see in the Reid fight, he simply just couldnt get inside or work anything, his only chance of landing a shot was a wild overhand right, which didnt really do too much against carl. Carls reflexes are pretty good and footwork, he can get out of trouble easy, and put people into trouble easy. Its a hard one to call, but Kessler would have to also demenstrate a good chin too because he wouldnt have faced anybody as powerful as froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Well you can all still have a pick at Froch for little things, but to be honest with you, by the end of the year you will see. It would have helped carl a lot if he had faught Inkin on sat, but HE pulled out for 'illness' twice, so carl cant do too much about that really. We will have to see whos up next for him if he wins on sat night. But its a waiting game and we will all have to wait and see. So far hes doing well 22-0 (18 kos) lets hope he can build
Inkin is a step-up from the mediocre competition Froch has been fighting, it would've been interesting to see how Froch dealth with him. Though from the limited amount I've seen of him Inkin has not impressed me very much either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddonwell we would have seen him against Inkin this sat, but we cant now, so we will have to wait...Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHFroch's chin is in no way proven against high-level competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Well it doesnt sound like a lot impresses you mate ;) but these two are really pushing to get that number 1 spot in the weight class and really have a good chance of doing it. Kessler is good, im not taking that away from him, but this was carls year for stepping up and its gone a bit tits up so far. We will just have to hope he gets a decent next fight and hopefully we can see more of him so he can impress you more ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHInkin is a step-up from the mediocre competition Froch has been fighting, it would've been interesting to see how Froch dealth with him. Though from the limited amount I've seen of him Inkin has not impressed me very much either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddonwell we would have seen him against Inkin this sat, but we cant now, so we will have to wait...Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
You could also say the same for Kessler. Besides Joe, Kessler's resume is not exactly stellar either. There is a lot of retreads under Mikkel's name to make him look good against. I personally am not sold on him yet. He seems to have skills, but no intangibles.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHInkin is a step-up from the mediocre competition Froch has been fighting, it would've been interesting to see how Froch dealth with him. Though from the limited amount I've seen of him Inkin has not impressed me very much either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddonwell we would have seen him against Inkin this sat, but we cant now, so we will have to wait...Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Mundine, Calzaghe, Andrade, and Beyer (maybe) are better than anyone on Froch's resume. Kessler also looked very good in losing to Calzaghe, a fighter in the top 5 P4P on almost anyone's list. Froch could turn out to be a world-class fighter, all I'm saying is that he hasn't proved much yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwYou could also say the same for Kessler. Besides Joe, Kessler's resume is not exactly stellar either. There is a lot of retreads under Mikkel's name to make him look good against. I personally am not sold on him yet. He seems to have skills, but no intangibles.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHInkin is a step-up from the mediocre competition Froch has been fighting, it would've been interesting to see how Froch dealth with him. Though from the limited amount I've seen of him Inkin has not impressed me very much either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Like I said, my exposure to Inkin has been limited, but he seemed quite slow in most of the footage I've seen of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonWell it doesnt sound like a lot impresses you mate ;) but these two are really pushing to get that number 1 spot in the weight class and really have a good chance of doing it. Kessler is good, im not taking that away from him, but this was carls year for stepping up and its gone a bit tits up so far. We will just have to hope he gets a decent next fight and hopefully we can see more of him so he can impress you more ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHInkin is a step-up from the mediocre competition Froch has been fighting, it would've been interesting to see how Froch dealth with him. Though from the limited amount I've seen of him Inkin has not impressed me very much either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Froch, to me, appears much more impressive than Inkin, but he's yet to take a real step-up in competition to prove how good he is. His mouth is a lot bigger than his accomplishments. He's only had 22 fights, so it's not like he needs to step-up right away, but at 30 years old time is not on his side. He has good power and has showed a decent chin in some of his fights, but I'm interested to see what he can do against better opposition.
I'm not saying he won't be able to succeed when he steps up, just that he hasn't stepped up yet. I agree that Inkin would've been a good start, I think Froch would've won, and it's too bad that he didn't get a chance to demonstate his abilities.
I should also say that it's not that Froch hasn't shown impressive power and ability, because in many of his fights he has. It's just that I'm not sold on him as a fighter who will become a dominant force in the division. As a prospect, I would rate him quite highly, especially if he can work on his defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonWell it doesnt sound like a lot impresses you mate ;) but these two are really pushing to get that number 1 spot in the weight class and really have a good chance of doing it. Kessler is good, im not taking that away from him, but this was carls year for stepping up and its gone a bit tits up so far. We will just have to hope he gets a decent next fight and hopefully we can see more of him so he can impress you more ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHInkin is a step-up from the mediocre competition Froch has been fighting, it would've been interesting to see how Froch dealth with him. Though from the limited amount I've seen of him Inkin has not impressed me very much either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Kessler would stop Fraud
I'm not sold on Froch yet, he has impressed me but I have not seen him fully tested yet.
I think Kessler would win a UD at this stage of their careers!
fair enough for thinking this, but all I can say is just keep watching and he will keep impressing, hes getting better every fight and I feel that 2008 is going to be a very good year for Carl.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI should also say that it's not that Froch hasn't shown impressive power and ability, because in many of his fights he has. It's just that I'm not sold on him as a fighter who will become a dominant force in the division. As a prospect, I would rate him quite highly, especially if he can work on his defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonWell it doesnt sound like a lot impresses you mate ;) but these two are really pushing to get that number 1 spot in the weight class and really have a good chance of doing it. Kessler is good, im not taking that away from him, but this was carls year for stepping up and its gone a bit tits up so far. We will just have to hope he gets a decent next fight and hopefully we can see more of him so he can impress you more ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Think Froch will bust up Kessler but probably get mauled to defeat himself in about 10
Kessler defintely. Probably by late stoppage. Froch is way to easy to hit, a world level operator who can handle his power outpoints him easily. He's quite interesting to watch, and may prove people wrong one day, but I just don't see it personally.
I have to go with Mikkel with out even debating it....More of a complete fighter...It would be good early on but by midway point the skill difference would beging to show
But Froch cant half bang. Did you see the Maggee KO, that was lethal, if ANYBODY got caught with a right uppercut from him they will take a backwards step. Thats why I think the fight will open up because its not Kessler nature to step down. I think it would be very intresting...
Many average fighters have at least one highlight reel KO, doesn't make them world level, and so far he's landed that punch with devastating effect against 1 out of 22 fighters. It was also a funny angle punch that a southpaw was particularly open to, don't see him catching Kessler with anything like that, after all many (idiot) fans thought Hatton would land the Castillo body blow on Mayweather and it would be all over.
I do feel sorry for Froch though, he hasn't had the chance yet to prove people wrong, and he's getting older and his knees are creaking.
I'd go along with the majority and say it'd be a Kessler win. Need i be another person to mention Carls non existant defence and the fact an operator like Kessler would land some big bombs to stop him.
I'm not sayin Froch isn't world class, I think he is. His power is evident and his defence just lets him down. At 30 he's been boxing way too long to adapt a new style or develop a defence since he hasn't had one from the start.
Froch could well do the business against Kessler with his ko power, but it is just a punchers chance. He would fare better against the other top super middleweights but for me Kessler is the man to pick up where Calzaghe left off.
I hope!!!! can not stand braggers who are not proven;DQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG HAt this time Kessler for me. Froch is great coming forward and has neraly all the tools, but his defence is awful and he will get tagged at some point soonQuote:
Originally Posted by porkypara