Calzaghe best P4P ??

Just been looking at the recent poles and Joe Calzaghe is listed as the number 1 pound for pound fighter out there at the moment after his win over Hopkins, I would rate him in the top 5 but his performance against Hopkins was far from exciting, Mayweather is a 5 weight world champ surely he is still the deserved Number 1 P4P. Calzaghe is a great talent but most of his career has been spent fighting limited opponents, even if he beat RJJ does beating 2 has beens qualify him as the best, I don't think so.

if hopkins is a has been it doesnt say much for boxing because he is without doubt a top 5 P4P fighter..

So give calzaghe the credit he deserves...

And calzaghe is not p4p no.1 but he is definatly top 3

Unless it's a poll held exclusively in Wales, there's no way Calzaghe is being rated no.1 p4p. Do you have a link?? Or were you talking about polls on this forum or something:confused: I'd still put Pacquiao and Marquez above Calzaghe anyways... He is definetly top 5 though.

I'd have Mayweather at number 1 still, with Calzaghe in second .If he ko'ed Hopkins he may have had a case for been 1st but its second at the moment but if he fights Jones and then Pavlik and wins in good style depending on how PBF does it would be hard to chose between them to for top spot.

ur the first person who has ever said that calzaghe is P4P 1...

I think Mayweather shud loose alot of kudos for fighting Oscar again thou..

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Lb 4 Lb1 http://static.boxrec.com/UK.png Joe Calzaghelight heavyweight2 http://static.boxrec.com/US.png Floyd Mayweather Jrwelterweight3 http://static.boxrec.com/US.png Kelly Pavlikmiddleweight4 http://static.boxrec.com/US.png Bernard Hopkinslight heavyweight5 http://static.boxrec.com/MX.png Israel Vazquezsuper bantamweight
Don't get me wrong Calzaghe is undefeated and the credit is there, but Warren has ruined his career forcing him to fight a string of limited opponents, he could have done a lot more with the talent that he has.

And for the one who said Hopkins is in top 5 p4p your crazy, he barely had 6 rounds in him against Calzaghe, he looked stronger but all he wanted to do was hold and fake, Bernard has been one of the best fighters of this era but I am sorry my friend he is finished, unless he want to beat up Welterweight Felix Trinidad as well to prove he is still up there.

cant argue with that really.. can see Haye comming into the fold when he Knocks out Wlad and co

yeah would love to see Haye in the mix, his chin worries me but he has all the makings of a super star

I would have Mayweather #1 and its close for Calazaghe or Pac-Man for 2 and 3rd spot.

In my eyes, Calzaghe is #3 behind PBF and Pac. I DO NOT agree with rating Marquez above Calzaghe, expecially considering he is coming off A LOSS (no matter if it was controversial).

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Lb 4 Lb1 http://static.boxrec.com/UK.png Joe Calzaghelight heavyweight2 http://static.boxrec.com/US.png Floyd Mayweather Jrwelterweight3 http://static.boxrec.com/US.png Kelly Pavlikmiddleweight4 http://static.boxrec.com/US.png Bernard Hopkinslight heavyweight5 http://static.boxrec.com/MX.png Israel Vazquezsuper bantamweight
Don't get me wrong Calzaghe is undefeated and the credit is there, but Warren has ruined his career forcing him to fight a string of limited opponents, he could have done a lot more with the talent that he has.

And for the one who said Hopkins is in top 5 p4p your crazy, he barely had 6 rounds in him against Calzaghe, he looked stronger but all he wanted to do was hold and fake, Bernard has been one of the best fighters of this era but I am sorry my friend he is finished, unless he want to beat up Welterweight Felix Trinidad as well to prove he is still up there.

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That's from boxrec, their statistics calculation is no replacement for reality.
Stick with the ring. I still have Mayweather and PAC ahead of Calzaghe, but there isn't much of an argument of putting Calzaghe ahead of Cotto aside from longevity, if Cotto keeps beating the level of competition he's been demolishing (save Gomez) he will surely pass Calzaghe in 2009.

I think if Joe was to defeat Pavlik and Jones Jr he would have a good claim at the top spot, but not now.

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Originally Posted by JoeyUK

I think if Joe was to defeat Pavlik and Jones Jr he would have a good claim at the top spot, but not now.

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By the time he does that Mayweather vs. Cotto should happen emphasis on should and the winner of that fight is p4p number 1. IF PAC, Cotto and PBF lose, AND Calzaghe beats Jones and Pavlik he can make a definate argument for it.

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Originally Posted by JoeyUK

I think if Joe was to defeat Pavlik and Jones Jr he would have a good claim at the top spot, but not now.

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By the time he does that Mayweather vs. Cotto should happen emphasis on should and the winner of that fight is p4p number 1. IF PAC, Cotto and PBF lose, AND Calzaghe beats Jones and Pavlik he can make a definate argument for it.

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Same thoughts here

Yea I'm gonna go with Ring and the majority and place Joe 3rd... Mayweather and Pac are stellar and Calzaghe fits perfectly at 3rd mixing with good company

Mayweather is #1 PFP for now and the forseeable future. Pacquiao is #2 and deserves to be above Calzaghe, considering how much more impressive his resume is.

Calzaghe is either #3 or #4. I think someone could reasonably leave Marquez at #3, considering that Pac-Marquez II was basically an even fight.

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In my eyes, Calzaghe is #3 behind PBF and Pac. I DO NOT agree with rating Marquez above Calzaghe, expecially considering he is coming off A LOSS (no matter if it was controversial).

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Yes, but that is exactly the point. I have Marquez top 3, becuase IN MY EYES he beat Pacquiao. He could have easily gotten the decision, and had he done so, he would probably be most everyone's number 2. What does how the judges saw the fight have to do with where he really stands? Why should it change where I consider him to be among the best, because the judges saw the fight differently than I did?. It's all someone's opinion anyways, I just feel he's a slightly better fighter than Calzaghe. IMO, the worst part about questionable judging these days is not even that it takes place, but that so many people are still willing to accept the judges decision as gospel. I'm not saying Marquez Pac was a bad decision either, but it certainly wasn'ta fight that Pacquiao clearly won, so why is he clearly ahead of Marquez p4p? Why is it out of the question to have Marquez top 3 p4p simply because he lost on paper? Being a p4p fighter isn't like having a belt, because the judges can't take your ability away from you.

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Yea I'm gonna go with Ring and the majority and place Joe 3rd... Mayweather and Pac are stellar and Calzaghe fits perfectly at 3rd mixing with good company

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That's a baddass sig JT. I'm a Pantera fan too.

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Yea I'm gonna go with Ring and the majority and place Joe 3rd... Mayweather and Pac are stellar and Calzaghe fits perfectly at 3rd mixing with good company

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That's a baddass sig JT. I'm a Pantera fan too.

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Thanks man, Edison's an animal and I cant wait for him to finish Abraham... I especially like how Kessler got one upped seeing that no sweat off Miranda's back that they arent fighting... My man had better options

P for P, its got to be Winky playing on a level playing field. Look at his record, unless youre two weight divisions above nobodys interested ;D

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Originally Posted by jmbtandy

Just been looking at the recent poles and Joe Calzaghe is listed as the number 1 pound for pound fighter out there at the moment after his win over Hopkins, I would rate him in the top 5 but his performance against Hopkins was far from exciting, Mayweather is a 5 weight world champ surely he is still the deserved Number 1 P4P. Calzaghe is a great talent but most of his career has been spent fighting limited opponents, even if he beat RJJ does beating 2 has beens qualify him as the best, I don't think so.

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Good post. Welcome and have some rep. Can't disagree with anything you've said there. You feel about Calzaghe as I do. He is the real deal but he's left it too late to ever become number 1 p4p.
Also agree with the person who said the guys at number 1,2 and 3 will ALL need to have some seriously bad results in the near future for Calzaghe to surpass them.

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P for P, its got to be Winky playing on a level playing field. Look at his record, unless youre two weight divisions above nobodys interested ;D

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Winky's definitely in my top 10

For me 1-Pretty Boy and 2- Calzaghe,Peace.

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Originally Posted by JoeyUK

I think if Joe was to defeat Pavlik and Jones Jr he would have a good claim at the top spot, but not now.

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Why is that ?
Pavlik doesnt fight in his division and Jones is an old man ?
explain ?

I'd rate Calzaghe #3 but certainly no lower than 4th

i have him at three.

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Originally Posted by jmbtandy

Just been looking at the recent poles and Joe Calzaghe is listed as the number 1 pound for pound fighter out there at the moment after his win over Hopkins, I would rate him in the top 5 but his performance against Hopkins was far from exciting, Mayweather is a 5 weight world champ surely he is still the deserved Number 1 P4P. Calzaghe is a great talent but most of his career has been spent fighting limited opponents, even if he beat RJJ does beating 2 has beens qualify him as the best, I don't think so.

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Mayweather's best wins.

Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo x2
ODLH
Ricky Hatton
Zab Judah
Genaro Hernandez
Carlos Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Jesus Chavez
Arturo Gatti

Titles at Super Featherweight, Lightweight, Jr Welterweight, Welterweight, Jr Middleweight,

Joe Calzaghe's best wins.

Mikkel Kessler
Bernard Hopkins
Jeff Lacy
Chris Eubank
Robin Reid
Charles Brewer
Sakio Bika
Richie Woodhall
Charles Brewer

Titles at Super Middleweight, Light Heavyweight,

Mayweather is for certain higher than Calzaghe for a few simple reasons, 1 Mayweather is a better fighter P4P, 2 he has more quality wins, 3 he has more achievements.