Judah vs Clottey August 2nd?

I'm in Dan Rafael's chat, and he just made these two statements. Sounds like an good match-up to me.


Luis: (Philadelphia):: Happy Friday Dan! If not together will either Zab or Shane fight this year?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Dan Rafael : (12:04 PM ET ) There's a good chance Judah will wind up on HBO on Aug 2 facing Josh Clottey for the title Margarito will vacate in the coming days.


Greg(Los Angeles): How closeis that Clottey-Judah fight to being a done deal?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Dan Rafael : (12:09 PM ET ) Just begun discussions.

Another comment.


Joel (NY): Dan, would Clottey/Judah be PPV?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Dan Rafael : (12:43 PM ET ) No, an HBO fight.

Great News Diane , i hope that Judah dont f*** his other arm:D , i think is a great match up , i think Judah could dominate.............:cool:

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No way Judah dominates Clottey, Clottey is a solid fighter and underrated by a lot of people. He is a very good all rounder and he has solid chin and keeps the pressure on, i think he stops Judah in 10.

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Great News Diane , i hope that Judah dont f*** his other arm:D , i think is a great match up , i think Judah could dominate.............:cool:

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Doubt Judah is gonna dominate Clottey..

Do you know anything about Clottey?

What basis do you believe Judah can Dominate Clottey?

Would like to know what your thinking is :cool:

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No way Judah dominates Clottey, Clottey is a solid fighter and underrated by a lot of people. He is a very good all rounder and he has solid chin and keeps the pressure on, i think he stops Judah in 10.

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agreed! the only one getting dominated is Judah

Another comment just came in.


Steve (NYC): Juddah/ Clottey in Vegas?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Dan Rafael : (1:09 PM ET ) Unlikely. I think it wind up on the East Coast if it happens. Maybe in Conn.


And here is his comment on the fight itself.


Courtney (Atlanta, GA): Judah vs. Clottey is actually a good fight. I could see Clottey outhustling Judah in a unanimous decision. How would you see it?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Dan Rafael : (1:12 PM ET ) I can see it your way. But I also think Judah could do some damage and win on points.

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Steve (NYC): Juddah/ Clottey in Vegas?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Dan Rafael : (1:09 PM ET ) Unlikely. I think it wind up on the East Coast if it happens. Maybe in Conn.

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My ass will be there if it gets signed;)

One question to those people who think Judah will win, remind me how many good pressure fighters Judah has beat ??

Wow. Clottey at last gets his chance. I think he needs to beat Judah otherwise I can not see he getting another shot for years, He will become an avoided fighter again.

I can see Judah winning the early rounds and if he is focused doing enough to win on points. However I see this one being a quick start for Judah then Clottey dominating the second half of the fight to pull out a close UD.

Here's more info that was posted in his Notebook.

With Antonio Margarito poised to vacate his slice of the welterweight title in favor of a big-money July 26 fight against titleholder Miguel Cotto, Margarito's mandatory challenger, Joshua Clottey, will fight for the vacant belt. HBO plans to televise the Aug. 2 bout on a Top Rank-promoted "Boxing After Dark" card. Top Rank's Bob Arum told ESPN.com that former titleholders Zab Judah and Luis Collazo top the list of Clottey's potential opponents. They are both among the IBF's leading available contenders. Judah is recovering from an arm injury that forced cancellation of his May 31 fight with Shane Mosley, but he'll be fine by August. His representatives have already been in touch with Top Rank and are interested in the fight. Collazo adviser/trainer Nirmal Lorick told ESPN.com they're also interested. "If the money is right, we're in," Lorick said. "Put Clottey and Luis together, you get a great fight. They're the spoilers that nobody wants to fight."

....is mosley just forgotten in all this, i missed something.

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One question to those people who think Judah will win, remind me how many good pressure fighters Judah has beat ??

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Spinks? Just kidding ;D

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Great News Diane , i hope that Judah dont f*** his other arm:D , i think is a great match up , i think Judah could dominate.............:cool:

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Doubt Judah is gonna dominate Clottey..

Do you know anything about Clottey?

What basis do you believe Judah can Dominate Clottey?

Would like to know what your thinking is :cool:

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Wow JT you SEEM to be so Excite my friend ;D , well in my opinion Judah have all tools for dominate , he is more faster , technicals combinations , hit more hard etc.......dont misunderstand me bro....im not take off credit to Clotey i know that he made a good and competitive fight to Margaro and is a strongest boxer too , but if Judah improve his bad STAMINA i know that he could dominate Clotey , Judah since Tzeu fight , he had bad luck , i hopes that fight comes!!!!!!

And who knows , when Cotto win the fight with Margaro , probably Clotey will be the next in December...............;D

This is a GAME JT.......LOLOL;D

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Great News Diane , i hope that Judah dont f*** his other arm:D , i think is a great match up , i think Judah could dominate.............:cool:

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Doubt Judah is gonna dominate Clottey..

Do you know anything about Clottey?

What basis do you believe Judah can Dominate Clottey?

Would like to know what your thinking is :cool:

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Wow JT you look to be so Excite my friend ;D , well in my opinion Judah have all tools for dominate , he is more faster , technicals combinations , hit more hard etc.......dont misunderstand me bro....im not take off credit to Clotey i know that he made a good and competitive fight to Margaro and is a strongest boxer too , but if Judah improve his bad STAMINA i know that he could dominate Clotey , Judah since Tzeu fight , he had bad luck , i hopes that fight comes!!!!!!

And who knows , when Cotto win the fight with Margaro , probably Clotey will be the next in December...............;D

This is a GAME JT.......LOLOL;D

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Thats alright man, we can agree to disagree;)

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Doubt Judah is gonna dominate Clottey..

Do you know anything about Clottey?

What basis do you believe Judah can Dominate Clottey?

Would like to know what your thinking is :cool:

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Wow JT you look to be so Excite my friend ;D , well in my opinion Judah have all tools for dominate , he is more faster , technicals combinations , hit more hard etc.......dont misunderstand me bro....im not take off credit to Clotey i know that he made a good and competitive fight to Margaro and is a strongest boxer too , but if Judah improve his bad STAMINA i know that he could dominate Clotey , Judah since Tzeu fight , he had bad luck , i hopes that fight comes!!!!!!

And who knows , when Cotto win the fight with Margaro , probably Clotey will be the next in December...............;D

This is a GAME JT.......LOLOL;D

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Thats alright man, we can agree to disagree;)

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Hey JT , that what makes America so Great , people with different thinking , but agree in when they have to .................lolololol;D

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Wow JT you look to be so Excite my friend ;D , well in my opinion Judah have all tools for dominate , he is more faster , technicals combinations , hit more hard etc.......dont misunderstand me bro....im not take off credit to Clotey i know that he made a good and competitive fight to Margaro and is a strongest boxer too , but if Judah improve his bad STAMINA i know that he could dominate Clotey , Judah since Tzeu fight , he had bad luck , i hopes that fight comes!!!!!!

And who knows , when Cotto win the fight with Margaro , probably Clotey will be the next in December...............;D

This is a GAME JT.......LOLOL;D

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Thats alright man, we can agree to disagree;)

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Hey JT , that what makes America so Great , people with different thinking , but agree in when they have to .................lolololol;D

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I don't think he'll dominate. But I think Judah can beat Clottey

I big fan of judah's.....but knowing him and pressure fighters

i have a feeling its going to be a tough fight, esp after his injuries

w.e im still going to be cheering for judah so it dont matter

This fight makes sense, shoud be action packed and very entertaining.

This sound's like it could be a good fight. I would not know who to pick. Joshua Clottey is a solid fighter and had a good chin. Judah is slick but suspect.

The winner of this fight saves his career the loser is off to the farm.

Clottey by UD.

I actually think it wont be an exciting fight. For some reason I see Zab holding/hugging often and Clottey letting him.

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Clottey by UD.

I actually think it wont be an exciting fight. For some reason I see Zab holding/hugging often and Clottey letting him.

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i think that reason is...u hate zab judah

i've never seen one positve post by you when it comes to judah...haha

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Clottey by UD.

I actually think it wont be an exciting fight. For some reason I see Zab holding/hugging often and Clottey letting him.

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i think that reason is...u hate zab judah

i've never seen one positve post by you when it comes to judah...haha

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Not many people do like Judah.

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Clottey by UD.

I actually think it wont be an exciting fight. For some reason I see Zab holding/hugging often and Clottey letting him.

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i think that reason is...u hate zab judah

i've never seen one positve post by you when it comes to judah...haha

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Zab and his fans made me this way.

He was a good fighter at one point but not elite or ATG.
Sadly he has fans who believe he is both.
He also has fans who believe he's never legitamitely lost a fight.
He also has fans who say things like:
"He was beating Tszyu up until the KO"
"He beat PBF for the 1st 3 rounds"
"He lost to Baldomir because of DK"
"He rocked Cotto several times and could have stopped him if he would have pressed the action more"

:rolleyes: Imagine reading this shit over and over and over for the past 4 yrs. :-\

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Clottey by UD.

I actually think it wont be an exciting fight. For some reason I see Zab holding/hugging often and Clottey letting him.

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i think that reason is...u hate zab judah

i've never seen one positve post by you when it comes to judah...haha

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Zab and his fans made me this way.

He was a good fighter at one point but not elite or ATG.
Sadly he has fans who believe he is both.
He also has fans who believe he's never legitamitely lost a fight.
He also has fans who say things like:
"He was beating Tszyu up until the KO"
"He beat PBF for the 1st 3 rounds"
"He lost to Baldomir because of DK"
"He rocked Cotto several times and could have stopped him if he would have pressed the action more"

:rolleyes: Imagine reading this shit over and over and over for the past 4 yrs. :-\

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LOL....yeah those are the things i hear over and over again....and yet again since i am a fan i do agree.ROFL

but i also learned a loss is a loss a win is a win, and there is no excuses

oo and u forgot one thing mick he could have won teh fight if it wasnt for the low blows...ROFL

the cotto fight (i forgot to plug that in but i think its implied)

FAR harder fight then mosley


this shit is fucked up


judah went from being set to fight quintana to margarito to mosely to now clottey which is the hardest of them all



judah can still win it tho


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I actually think this is the easiest out of those Sal and probably the only one I would pick Judah to win.

Clottey is fairly limited, he has no outside game and while he is a pressure fighter ICB, he probably has more stamina questions then Judah. I've never once seen Clottey look good in the second half of a fight. I think Judah will be able to outmove Clottey from the outside and it's not like Clottey is a real quick puncher out of that pillars defense like Winky is.

This is a great fight for both guys but I think Judah would win and I think he would do it fairly convincingly imo.

So Judah injures himself stretching his pride in the shower ....falling on a bar of soap and delays the Mosley fight.....and NOW he's the headliner vs. Clottey ....with Mosley in a WTF moment :-X..........I smell politics :dunce:

This would be a good match-up. Cheers for the info Diane.

I think it could be very interesting, at this point I'd have to go with Clottey. But Judah would have his moments!

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Clottey by UD.

I actually think it wont be an exciting fight. For some reason I see Zab holding/hugging often and Clottey letting him.

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I actually give Zab a reasonable chance here. Especially if he just stays focused ;D I've always wanted to say that sorry.

But I agree it could definitely be a bit of a snoozer.

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One question to those people who think Judah will win, remind me how many good pressure fighters Judah has beat ??

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Does Ward count as a good pressure fighter? Or does he just get props for the good fights with Gatti and otherwise a glorified journeyman?

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One question to those people who think Judah will win, remind me how many good pressure fighters Judah has beat ??

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Does Ward count as a good pressure fighter? Or does he just get props for the good fights with Gatti and otherwise a glorified journeyman?

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I knew someone would mention that i consider Ward to be a very exciting fighter and a decent pressure fighter but certainly nowhere elite.

Not to mention that was practically an eternity ago. He hadn't even moved to working with Yoel by then right?

i think judah is past it. Clottey should beat him.

Zab Judah didn't take long to line up another fight two weeks after severely cutting his right arm, an injury that forced the cancellation of his May 31 fight with Shane Mosley.


Judah came to terms Friday to face Joshua Clottey on Aug. 2 for a vacant welterweight title, Top Rank president Todd duBoef told ESPN.com.

Clottey-Judah will headline a "Boxing After Dark" card on HBO. The date gives Judah plenty of time for his cuts, which required 50 stitches, to heal.


"We agreed to terms and we are drawing up contracts for Aug. 2 and sending them out," duBoef said. "I think it's a make or break fight for both guys."


ESPN - Judah to face Clottey in August for welterweight title - Boxing

It's a very good fight. Clottey kind of has an underbelly of interest and Zab needs a win. Zab's excuses for all his losses are that they are against the very top guys with the exception of Baldomir which was probably his worst loss ever. Clottey isn't a top guy this is truly a "must win", he can't get by making all these top fights anymore if he loses. For Clottey it's a good fight a chance to try to reassert himself into the picture with the top guys.

I think Judah wins, Clottey's stamina is just as bad as Zab's.

I'm going with Judah in this one. He can't afford another loss. And he knows it

how much do u think judah's going to earn forhis fight?

hes was suppose to earn $800,000 for the mosley fight

i doubt he'll be earning that much for this fight
sucks doesnt it