The heavyweight division needs excitement

Sometime within the next 5 years or so, someone needs to come along and bring the heavyweight division to the forefront of boxing again. Whether it's a dancing motor mouth like Ali, a monster like Foreman, or a furious pitbull like Tyson, something has to happen to revive the division.

Sure, hardcore boxing fans probably don't have too many problems with the way boxing is right now ( I know I don't ), but that market alone can't bring the sport to the level its capable of being on. I remember being a little kid, which wasn't too long ago, where ESPN was giving consistant coverage on everything going down in the world of boxing. There was personality and star power, and it attracted people.

Now? I can't even remember the last time I saw something boxing related on ESPN from the heavyweight division.

I don't know, maybe I'm asking too much or longing for something to happen in my lifetime that just isn't possible anymore.

Your thoughts?

DAVID HAYE!!!!!!!!

the way i see it he will rule the division withing the next 3-4 years he seems to be stupidly fast (fore a hw) and apart from wlad the only fighter that carries the weight off that well with out gassing out after 4 rounds ala peter , briggs etc

and i know that its all down to how he can take the punches back but the way i see it he can work his way round this, for example with a big puncher like peter if he can be careful and make peter miss which shouldnt be that hard he tire him out quite quickly and then launch off his own firepower ,

regardless of who he beats or doesnt he will add excitment

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DAVID HAYE!!!!!!!!

the way i see it he will rule the division withing the next 3-4 years he seems to be stupidly fast (fore a hw) and apart from wlad the only fighter that carries the weight off that well with out gassing out after 4 rounds ala peter , briggs etc

and i know that its all down to how he can take the punches back but the way i see it he can work his way round this, for example with a big puncher like peter if he can be careful and make peter miss which shouldnt be that hard he tire him out quite quickly and then launch off his own firepower ,

regardless of who he beats or doesnt he will add excitment

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I agree Haye will bring excitement coz when he fights the bout ain't going to the judges scorecards.

agreed haye is gonna bring that excitement to the hw division

wlad is the best hw out there today,

if jones had of stayed at hw he could have brought some excitement back.

we need another lewis or tyson to bring back the magic

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Originally Posted by fugaziuk

agreed haye is gonna bring that excitement to the hw division

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indeed he will


it will be incredibly exciting when he gets KTFO by klitschko ;)

David Haye doesn't excite me from a personality stand point. Maybe it's the accent or something, but he just doesn't strike me as a very attractive, let alone intimidating figure.

Plus, I don't think he has the spark. There's a certain spark that every era defining fighter must have, and I don't get it from him.

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Originally Posted by aburwell89

David Haye doesn't excite me from a personality stand point. Maybe it's the accent or something, but he just doesn't strike me as a very attractive, let alone intimidating figure.

Plus, I don't think he has the spark. There's a certain spark that every era defining fighter must have, and I don't get it from him.

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Era defining fighter, most likely not. He does bring an exciting game to the hw division though, and it is something people want to see, and why we are discussing it now. Hope to see him get a fight or two under his belt here, and if he does as most of us expect him to do...THEN and only then will I start to enjoy his chasing down WLAD on escalators etc.

He does have people talking.

David has the punch and the attitude to make a difference to the HW, however as soon as one of the big guys land a shot on that chin of his it will be good night, David is a great guy and great for the sport, but if he does get in the ring with Klitschko he better make sure he lands the big shot first.

The problem with Heavyweights these days is they are so big, back in the days of Lewis, Ali, etc those guys were more like cruiserweights, they had the punch power but also the movement to make a fight look good, these days you have big plodders like Valuev and then the smaller guys just have to try and work around those long arms. Unless someone with a chin and the power of Tyson comes along again the heavyweights will never be the same again.

The lower divisions will always set up better fights

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Originally Posted by aburwell89

David Haye doesn't excite me from a personality stand point. Maybe it's the accent or something, but he just doesn't strike me as a very attractive, let alone intimidating figure.

Plus, I don't think he has the spark. There's a certain spark that every era defining fighter must have, and I don't get it from him.

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Era defining fighter, most likely not. He does bring an exciting game to the hw division though, and it is something people want to see, and why we are discussing it now. Hope to see him get a fight or two under his belt here, and if he does as most of us expect him to do...THEN and only then will I start to enjoy his chasing down WLAD on escalators etc.

He does have people talking.

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Oh I'll never doubt him in the ring, he's a great fighter, I just don't know if he has the persona. Every time I see him in interviews, he seems like he really forces his attitude, it seems... Fake in a way, like he's trying to act the way he thinks people want him to.

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David Haye doesn't excite me from a personality stand point. Maybe it's the accent or something, but he just doesn't strike me as a very attractive, let alone intimidating figure.

Plus, I don't think he has the spark. There's a certain spark that every era defining fighter must have, and I don't get it from him.

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Era defining fighter, most likely not. He does bring an exciting game to the hw division though, and it is something people want to see, and why we are discussing it now. Hope to see him get a fight or two under his belt here, and if he does as most of us expect him to do...THEN and only then will I start to enjoy his chasing down WLAD on escalators etc.

He does have people talking.

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Oh I'll never doubt him in the ring, he's a great fighter, I just don't know if he has the persona. Every time I see him in interviews, he seems like he really forces his attitude, it seems... Fake in a way, like he's trying to act the way he thinks people want him to.

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Sportsmen always struggle with interviews, it is not their strength, you have to look at the attitude and how they conduct themselves in the ring, going into the Maccarinelli fight Haye was cool calm and collected and in the ring he got the job done, he is not a tv personality he is a boxer, apart from a few guys boxers aren't always the best guys when taking one to one outside the ring, and i am sure it is very similar in a lot of other sports.

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Originally Posted by jmbtandy

David has the punch and the attitude to make a difference to the HW, however as soon as one of the big guys land a shot on that chin of his it will be good night, David is a great guy and great for the sport, but if he does get in the ring with Klitschko he better make sure he lands the big shot first.

The problem with Heavyweights these days is they are so big, back in the days of Lewis, Ali, etc those guys were more like cruiserweights, they had the punch power but also the movement to make a fight look good, these days you have big plodders like Valuev and then the smaller guys just have to try and work around those long arms. Unless someone with a chin and the power of Tyson comes along again the heavyweights will never be the same again.

The lower divisions will always set up better fights

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You know, it's funny. Every time I watch these big plodding heavyweights with debatable punching power and foot work that would make baby Jesus cry, I think to myself: " One day, maybe soon, someone's going to come along and knock all of these big chumps flat on their ass ".

It's going to happen, it's just a matter of time.

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David has the punch and the attitude to make a difference to the HW, however as soon as one of the big guys land a shot on that chin of his it will be good night, David is a great guy and great for the sport, but if he does get in the ring with Klitschko he better make sure he lands the big shot first.

The problem with Heavyweights these days is they are so big, back in the days of Lewis, Ali, etc those guys were more like cruiserweights, they had the punch power but also the movement to make a fight look good, these days you have big plodders like Valuev and then the smaller guys just have to try and work around those long arms. Unless someone with a chin and the power of Tyson comes along again the heavyweights will never be the same again.

The lower divisions will always set up better fights

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You know, it's funny. Every time I watch these big plodding heavyweights with debatable punching power and foot work that would make baby Jesus cry, I think to myself: " One day, maybe soon, someone's going to come along and knock all of these big chumps flat on their ass ".

It's going to happen, it's just a matter of time.

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You are hoping like everyone else, know where you are coming from

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Era defining fighter, most likely not. He does bring an exciting game to the hw division though, and it is something people want to see, and why we are discussing it now. Hope to see him get a fight or two under his belt here, and if he does as most of us expect him to do...THEN and only then will I start to enjoy his chasing down WLAD on escalators etc.

He does have people talking.

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Oh I'll never doubt him in the ring, he's a great fighter, I just don't know if he has the persona. Every time I see him in interviews, he seems like he really forces his attitude, it seems... Fake in a way, like he's trying to act the way he thinks people want him to.

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Sportsmen always struggle with interviews, it is not their strength, you have to look at the attitude and how they conduct themselves in the ring, going into the Maccarinelli fight Haye was cool calm and collected and in the ring he got the job done, he is not a tv personality he is a boxer, apart from a few guys boxers aren't always the best guys when taking one to one outside the ring, and i am sure it is very similar in a lot of other sports.

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I think you're missing the point. People want superstars. Haye, despite all of his talents as a fighter, is not a superstar. What makes a superstar depends entirely on how they approach it. Ali built up hype by running his mouth and being funny while doing it, Tyson built up hype as his career progressed by acting invincible and crazy. Shit, even guys like Foreman who in my opinion had the personality of a rock in his early years had star power because of how he conducted himself.

Do you have to be a superstar to be a great fighter? No, but it's that " it " factor that packs arenas and gets people excited.

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Oh I'll never doubt him in the ring, he's a great fighter, I just don't know if he has the persona. Every time I see him in interviews, he seems like he really forces his attitude, it seems... Fake in a way, like he's trying to act the way he thinks people want him to.

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Sportsmen always struggle with interviews, it is not their strength, you have to look at the attitude and how they conduct themselves in the ring, going into the Maccarinelli fight Haye was cool calm and collected and in the ring he got the job done, he is not a tv personality he is a boxer, apart from a few guys boxers aren't always the best guys when taking one to one outside the ring, and i am sure it is very similar in a lot of other sports.

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I think you're missing the point. People want superstars. Haye, despite all of his talents as a fighter, is not a superstar. What makes a superstar depends entirely on how they approach it. Ali built up hype by running his mouth and being funny while doing it, Tyson built up hype as his career progressed by acting invincible and crazy. Shit, even guys like Foreman who in my opinion had the personality of a rock in his early years had star power because of how he conducted himself.

Do you have to be a superstar to be a great fighter? No, but it's that " it " factor that packs arenas and gets people excited.

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Funny but I am pretty sure the O2 was packed out, and an army went over to France to see him beat Mormeck, and the fight with Maccarinelli got lots and lots of Hype, what was it 3 or 4 pages in the ring magazine, not bad for an English fight, so hey he must be doing something right, and I can't believe you mentioned George Foreman, surely he is generating the same type of entertainment as Haye, punching power, didn't you just contradict yourself mentioning him???

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Sportsmen always struggle with interviews, it is not their strength, you have to look at the attitude and how they conduct themselves in the ring, going into the Maccarinelli fight Haye was cool calm and collected and in the ring he got the job done, he is not a tv personality he is a boxer, apart from a few guys boxers aren't always the best guys when taking one to one outside the ring, and i am sure it is very similar in a lot of other sports.

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I think you're missing the point. People want superstars. Haye, despite all of his talents as a fighter, is not a superstar. What makes a superstar depends entirely on how they approach it. Ali built up hype by running his mouth and being funny while doing it, Tyson built up hype as his career progressed by acting invincible and crazy. Shit, even guys like Foreman who in my opinion had the personality of a rock in his early years had star power because of how he conducted himself.

Do you have to be a superstar to be a great fighter? No, but it's that " it " factor that packs arenas and gets people excited.

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Funny but I am pretty sure the O2 was packed out, and an army went over to France to see him beat Mormeck, and the fight with Maccarinelli got lots and lots of Hype, what was it 3 or 4 pages in the ring magazine, not bad for an English fight, so hey he must be doing something right, and I can't believe you mentioned George Foreman, surely he is generating the same type of entertainment as Haye, punching power, didn't you just contradict yourself mentioning him???

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I was speaking from a personality stand point.

Also, I'll have you know that I could ask 100 people in my neighborhood if they know who David Haye is and I can pretty much bank on 95 of them not knowing, and the other five only having a faint idea.

That's not star power.

I know where you are coming from but the media has a lot to do with that, not necessarily the boxer in question. Most British people when asked to name current UK boxers will struggle to get past Joe Calzaghe and Ricky Hatton. Everyone who is a boxing fan knows who he is, all over the world. I am currently in camp over in the states and the Haye v Macc fight was on nearly everyones lips.

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I know where you are coming from but the media has a lot to do with that, not necessarily the boxer in question. Most British people when asked to name current UK boxers will struggle to get past Joe Calzaghe and Ricky Hatton. Everyone who is a boxing fan knows who he is, all over the world. I am currently in camp over in the states and the Haye v Macc fight was on nearly everyones lips.

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The goal is not just to attract fight fans. No matter how good or bad the scene is, they're going to show up or tune in regardless. The goal should be to take it a step further, to put the sport on an international stage and get as many people interested as possible. The days of everyone talkling about fighters down at the local bar or pub aren't too far gone you know, and regardless of how pessimistic some boxing fans are, there's still plenty of room for boxing to come back to the level it was once on.

In an odd way I like the Heavyweight division being in a somewhat rebuilding phase.It killls me when Im making small talk through the day and some one ask me "Yeah,I like Boxing........BTW, when is Tyson fighting again" or some broadbrush s!!! like that.They have absolutly no clue about the current sport & the great fighters they are missing.Part time suedo fans Lol.The exposure and huge lighter weight fights that we have seen the last number of years is great.......and a long time coming.Point blank....The days of The mostly American Heavyweight dominance are gone.

I do see Haye as lighting some fires and creating an Interest just on sheer volume of voice and showmanship,Not to mention a big right hand.He will need far more than that to duplicate the past accomplishmnets of top heavys like Tyson,Holyfield,Lewis,etc.No man does it alone ,They all helped put each other on the front page in different ways.

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I know where you are coming from but the media has a lot to do with that, not necessarily the boxer in question. Most British people when asked to name current UK boxers will struggle to get past Joe Calzaghe and Ricky Hatton. Everyone who is a boxing fan knows who he is, all over the world. I am currently in camp over in the states and the Haye v Macc fight was on nearly everyones lips.

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The goal is not just to attract fight fans. No matter how good or bad the scene is, they're going to show up or tune in regardless. The goal should be to take it a step further, to put the sport on an international stage and get as many people interested as possible. The days of everyone talkling about fighters down at the local bar or pub aren't too far gone you know, and regardless of how pessimistic some boxing fans are, there's still plenty of room for boxing to come back to the level it was once on.

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Of course, that's why I say the media needs to step up, still using Haye as an example, someone watching the fight with Macc or Mormeck would surely want to watch more. Sometimes it needs a big challenger to come in to make a fighter well known, Benn v Eubank or Bruno v Tyson, If Haye fights Klitschko win or lose he will get the attention because people know the potential excitement of that fight would bring.

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In an odd way I like the Heavyweight division being in a somewhat rebuilding phase.It killls me when Im making small talk through the day and some one ask me "Yeah,I like Boxing........BTW, when is Tyson fighting again" or some broadbrush s!!! like that.They have absolutly no clue about the current sport & the great fighters they are missing.Part time suedo fans Lol.The exposure and huge lighter weight fights that we have seen the last number of years is great.......and a long time coming.Point blank....The days of The mostly American Heavyweight dominance are gone.

I do see Haye as lighting some fires and creating an Interest just on sheer volume of voice and showmanship,Not to mention a big right hand.He will need far more than that to duplicate the past accomplishmnets of top heavys like Tyson,Holyfield,Lewis,etc.No man does it alone ,They all helped put each other on the front page in different ways.

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Damn right! Good post, and I agree 100%. The casual boxing fan can only talk about Tyson and stuff like, and has no clue as to the great boxing in the lower weight classes. And because the HW's are in such sad shape nowadays, it sort of forces the focus on the lower, more exciting weight divisions.

I think there is a quite a few exciting match ups to be made at Heavyweight the only problem is that the fights aren't happening. But with Haye moving up to hopefully fight Wladimir or Peter as soon as possible that should bring some excitement in Heavyweight.

Samuel Peter vs David Haye
David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
Andrew Golota vs Alexander Povetkin

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I think there is a quite a few exciting match ups to be made at Heavyweight the only problem is that the fights aren't happening. But with Haye moving up to hopefully fight Wladimir or Peter as soon as possible that should bring some excitement in Heavyweight.

Samuel Peter vs David Haye
David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
Andrew Golota vs Alexander Povetkin

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Sorry did you mention Golota v Povetkin as an exciting fight???

Really?

You people mention big heavyweights like we have ever had anything else.

Joe Louis ....not the biggest but certainly BIG for his day at 6'2 205
Sonny Liston 6'1 210-220
Muhamed Ali the biggest heavyweight of his era...even bigger than Foreman. 6'3-6'4 210-225 during his prime years
Larry Holmes 6'3-6'4 210-220 in his prime
Riddick Bowe 6'5 230
Lennox Lewis 6'5 250

It doesn't matter about the size. The division right now is in flux Valuev and Chagaev are off in their own little world fighting the chumps of the division when there is a guy who holds half the recognized world championship belts ready to give anything to get a shot at the other titles....only Vitali wants back in and HE wants a title too.

The problems with the division are:

#1 titles aren't being unified...we're going to have to wait almost another year for Wladimir to get a shot at anyone else with a title due to the mandatories and Vitali's comeback.

#2 The big fights aren't being made...there are interesting fights to be made but they aren't happening...Arreola-Witherspoon is a step in the right direction, let's see who Haye steps in with and what Sultan does in his return.

#3 The signature fighters of the division aren't consistent...Sam Peter for example....he's KO-ing Oleg Maskaev one day then he's fighting McCline and he's utter crap

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I think there is a quite a few exciting match ups to be made at Heavyweight the only problem is that the fights aren't happening. But with Haye moving up to hopefully fight Wladimir or Peter as soon as possible that should bring some excitement in Heavyweight.

Samuel Peter vs David Haye
David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
Andrew Golota vs Alexander Povetkin

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Sorry did you mention Golota v Povetkin as an exciting fight???

Really?

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Yes why not ??

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I think there is a quite a few exciting match ups to be made at Heavyweight the only problem is that the fights aren't happening. But with Haye moving up to hopefully fight Wladimir or Peter as soon as possible that should bring some excitement in Heavyweight.

Samuel Peter vs David Haye
David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
Andrew Golota vs Alexander Povetkin

etc.

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Sorry did you mention Golota v Povetkin as an exciting fight???

Really?

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Yes why not ??

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Erm because it won't be an exciting fight, Golota is old and past it and Povetkin is just a regular boxer, nothing special

There are plenty of name fighters out there who are good and can add depth to the division but seemingly no place where they can catch the eye of the public and no one willing to make the matchups.

top level: Wlad, Sam Peter, Vitali, Sultan, Chagaev, and to a faaaaar lesser extent Valuev

Old vets: Golota, Rahman, Briggs, Brewster, Ruiz, Lyakhovich, Virchis, Minto, Skelton, Sprott, Danny Williams, Krasniqi, Sinan Samil Sam, Fres Oquendo, Jameel McCline, Larry Donald, Ray Austin, Domonick Guinn

young/untested fighters: Dimitrenko, Solis, Chambers, Arreola, Witherspoon, Fields (you laugh but hell I'd like to see him fight someone worth a damn), Kevin Johnson, Oleg Platov, Albert Sosnowski, Roman Greenburg, Malik Scott, Denis Boytsov, Mike Marrone, Alonzo Butler, JD Chapman, and on and on.

Tell me you can't find some matches between those guys

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You people mention big heavyweights like we have ever had anything else.

Joe Louis ....not the biggest but certainly BIG for his day at 6'2 205
Sonny Liston 6'1 210-220
Muhamed Ali the biggest heavyweight of his era...even bigger than Foreman. 6'3-6'4 210-225 during his prime years
Larry Holmes 6'3-6'4 210-220 in his prime
Riddick Bowe 6'5 230
Lennox Lewis 6'5 250

It doesn't matter about the size. The division right now is in flux Valuev and Chagaev are off in their own little world fighting the chumps of the division when there is a guy who holds half the recognized world championship belts ready to give anything to get a shot at the other titles....only Vitali wants back in and HE wants a title too.

The problems with the division are:

#1 titles aren't being unified...we're going to have to wait almost another year for Wladimir to get a shot at anyone else with a title due to the mandatories and Vitali's comeback.

#2 The big fights aren't being made...there are interesting fights to be made but they aren't happening...Arreola-Witherspoon is a step in the right direction, let's see who Haye steps in with and what Sultan does in his return.

#3 The signature fighters of the division aren't consistent...Sam Peter for example....he's KO-ing Oleg Maskaev one day then he's fighting McCline and he's utter crap

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That's hardly like the giants of today, Lewis was boring to watch the only one you mention that is big and exciting for a period was Bowe and that was only really the trilogy with Holfield, 210lbs is almost a crusierweight and most of your list fought around that weight in their primes. Big for their time means absolutely nothing, they weren't 7ft and 300lbs

....only Valuev is 7 feet tall and 300 pounds....so your problem again is???



Most of the big guyss of today like to BOX because giving up their size advantage isn't worth their while. These guys fight smarter than the big guys of old and they should.


And this was boring to watch???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWCG1fYZGVg



There is a lot more to boxing than just the Mike Tyson's of the sport.

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....only Valuev is 7 feet tall and 300 pounds....so your problem again is???



Most of the big guyss of today like to BOX because giving up their size advantage isn't worth their while. These guys fight smarter than the big guys of old and they should.


And this was boring to watch???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWCG1fYZGVg


There is a lot more to boxing than just the Mike Tyson's of the sport.

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The average weight an height of a heavyweight in the top 10 is far more these days than when Ali, Louis, Marciano were around, well done on finding an interesting clip of Lennox, the knockout of Michael Grant was better but generally he was pretty dull to watch

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....only Valuev is 7 feet tall and 300 pounds....so your problem again is???



Most of the big guyss of today like to BOX because giving up their size advantage isn't worth their while. These guys fight smarter than the big guys of old and they should.


And this was boring to watch???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWCG1fYZGVg



There is a lot more to boxing than just the Mike Tyson's of the sport.

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Fighting smart may be good for their health, but it isn't good for the sport. No one wants to watch two oafs paw each other round after round before the judges decide who did the better pawing.

No shit. As I stated before, excitement comes in all sorts of packages, and this isn't about what you or I like or want, it's about what will get the public's interest, and if you think that doesnt matter, you're living in a dream world. More money floating around = Better for the sport any way you slice it.

and beating up an well past his prime mike Tyson, is not that exciting, are you going to put on the Danny Williams v Tyson clip next and say he was an exciting fighter?

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There are plenty of name fighters out there who are good and can add depth to the division but seemingly no place where they can catch the eye of the public and no one willing to make the matchups.

top level: Wlad, Sam Peter, Vitali, Sultan, Chagaev, and to a faaaaar lesser extent Valuev

Old vets: Golota, Rahman, Briggs, Brewster, Ruiz, Lyakhovich, Virchis, Minto, Skelton, Sprott, Danny Williams, Krasniqi, Sinan Samil Sam, Fres Oquendo, Jameel McCline, Larry Donald, Ray Austin, Domonick Guinn

young/untested fighters: Dimitrenko, Solis, Chambers, Arreola, Witherspoon, Fields (you laugh but hell I'd like to see him fight someone worth a damn), Kevin Johnson, Oleg Platov, Albert Sosnowski, Roman Greenburg, Malik Scott, Denis Boytsov, Mike Marrone, Alonzo Butler, JD Chapman, and on and on.

Tell me you can't find some matches between those guys

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Sorry... this list does nothing for me. Other than Wladimir and Sam Peter, none of the active HW's thrill me all that much. And Peter still needs a lot of polishing. Give me 160 and 147 any day of the week.

By the way... Wlad and Sultan. Didn't they just have a snoozefest of a "fight" not too long ago? Naw-w-w-w.... the big guy division is a bore right now.

Athletes simply get bigger look at your NFL players of days gone by...Dan Dierdorf was a great offensive tackle at 6'3 275 pounds....these days the best offensive tackle is Orlando Pace and he's 6'7 325.

Guys just get bigger....some are still smaller and do well but the average heavyweight is only going to get heavier

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There are plenty of name fighters out there who are good and can add depth to the division but seemingly no place where they can catch the eye of the public and no one willing to make the matchups.

top level: Wlad, Sam Peter, Vitali, Sultan, Chagaev, and to a faaaaar lesser extent Valuev

Old vets: Golota, Rahman, Briggs, Brewster, Ruiz, Lyakhovich, Virchis, Minto, Skelton, Sprott, Danny Williams, Krasniqi, Sinan Samil Sam, Fres Oquendo, Jameel McCline, Larry Donald, Ray Austin, Domonick Guinn

young/untested fighters: Dimitrenko, Solis, Chambers, Arreola, Witherspoon, Fields (you laugh but hell I'd like to see him fight someone worth a damn), Kevin Johnson, Oleg Platov, Albert Sosnowski, Roman Greenburg, Malik Scott, Denis Boytsov, Mike Marrone, Alonzo Butler, JD Chapman, and on and on.

Tell me you can't find some matches between those guys

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Sorry... this list does nothing for me. Other than Wladimir and Sam Peter, none of the active HW's thrill me all that much. And Peter still needs a lot of polishing. Give me 160 and 147 any day of the week.

By the way... Wlad and Sultan. Didn't they just have a snoozefest of a "fight" not too long ago? Naw-w-w-w.... the big guy division is a bore right now.

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the only one on that list that looks halfway decent is Denis Boytsov, he is the only one that moves, but stick him in with one of the giants and he will probably lose. Did you really mention JD Chapman, wow have you seen him fight, and Tye Fields that is crazy he fights like a drunken fat guy in a bar, Go back and do some more research

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Sorry did you mention Golota v Povetkin as an exciting fight???

Really?

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Yes why not ??

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Erm because it won't be an exciting fight, Golota is old and past it and Povetkin is just a regular boxer, nothing special

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Why wouldn't it be an exciting fight ?? Povetkin has an exciting style, and so does Golota, Golota was in an entertaining fight with Mollo in his last fight. Excitement wise it would be good action i guarantee it.

...listen sport...I put those guys on there because I think it would be "exciting" for someone who actually has some skill to KO them OR that the fans might get lucky and get to see a brawl.

As for talent, Odlanier Solis is very talented, Cris Arreola is talented, Povetkin, Dimitrenko....those guys are good fighters and if you don't care about good fighters then may I suggest you mozy on down to the "Tuff Man" competitions and leave boxing for those who understand the sport.

Not everyone is a great fighter and not every fight is an exciting matchup, if you can't understand that then maybe boxing isn't for you.

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Yes why not ??

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Erm because it won't be an exciting fight, Golota is old and past it and Povetkin is just a regular boxer, nothing special

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Why wouldn't it be an exciting fight ?? Povetkin has an exciting style, and so does Golota, Golota was in an entertaining fight with Mollo in his last fight. Excitement wise it would be good action i guarantee it.

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Ok we will see, Povetkin exciting style? are you sure, Mollo made Golota fight and then run out of steam, not sure it was that exciting fight, but hey each to their own. watch the Eddie Chambers v Povetkin, that was really exciting, (When I woke up after it had finished)

I'll just leave it at this: For all of you guys sitting there shaking your head at what I'm saying, just watch. Keep your eyes open in the future, because I promise you: Someone is going to come in the near future and take every single one of those unathletic oafs to school, because I'm telling you, the days of these big chumps running things in the heavyweight division are coming to an end.

And just to make this clear: I am not predicting the coming of some buffed up Mighty Mouse that's going to knock them all out, but sooner rather than later a REAL champion will emerge from the pack of chumps currently known as the heavyweight division, and he sure as hell won't be some 8 foot 400 pound ogre.

"Ok we will see, Povetkin exciting style? are you sure, Mollo made Golota fight and then run out of steam, not sure it was that exciting fight, but hey each to their own. watch the Eddie Chambers v Povetkin, that was really exciting, (When I woke up after it had finished)"

Gee I wish we had more sarcasm on here....that would be great