Carlos Zarate 52 wins 51 KO's vs Wilfredo Gomez 21 wins 21 KO's = Overall record Carlos Zarate 66 wins 63 KO's, Wilfredo Gomez 44 wins 42 KO's.
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Carlos Zarate 52 wins 51 KO's vs Wilfredo Gomez 21 wins 21 KO's = Overall record Carlos Zarate 66 wins 63 KO's, Wilfredo Gomez 44 wins 42 KO's.
Wow! Can't find much higher KO percentages that those.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
:o
Yea pretty amazing Gomez is one of my favorite fighters at the lower weights, and i expect you to be a very big fan as well, considering he is fellow Puerto Rican. But that is amazing stat i was just watching Gomez vs Zarate again and i was curious to see the stats and when i see them my mouth was wide open, i've never seen such high KO percentage in a Championship fight of that caliber.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanWow! Can't find much higher KO percentages that those.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
:o
You may well laugh at this one but VITALI KLITSCHKO v HERBIE HIDE
Vitali had 24 Ko's from 24 fights
Hide had 29Ko's from 31 fights with one loss (BOWE)
Oh yeah.... huge fan of Gomez also. But I didn't realize Zarate ended his career with such a high KO ratio himself. Speaks volumes of the achievement it was for Gomez to KO Zarate. Zarate had a key victory on the way up against a great, fellow Mexican fighter... Alfonso Zamora. That was also a battle of unbeatens.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBYea pretty amazing Gomez is one of my favorite fighters at the lower weights, and i expect you to be a very big fan as well, considering he is fellow Puerto Rican. But that is amazing stat i was just watching Gomez vs Zarate again and i was curious to see the stats and when i see them my mouth was wide open, i've never seen such high KO percentage in a Championship fight of that caliber.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanWow! Can't find much higher KO percentages that those.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
:o
His fight with Zamora was awesome a Thomas Hearns vs Marvin Hagler type of war if its the right fight im thinking of, is that the fight where some guy in the crowd comes into the ring with only his underpants on or something like that ??Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanOh yeah.... huge fan of Gomez also. But I didn't realize Zarate ended his career with such a high KO ratio himself. Speaks volumes of the achievement it was for Gomez to KO Zarate. Zarate had a key victory on the way up against a great, fellow Mexican fighter... Alfonso Zamora. That was also a battle of unbeatens.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBYea pretty amazing Gomez is one of my favorite fighters at the lower weights, and i expect you to be a very big fan as well, considering he is fellow Puerto Rican. But that is amazing stat i was just watching Gomez vs Zarate again and i was curious to see the stats and when i see them my mouth was wide open, i've never seen such high KO percentage in a Championship fight of that caliber.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I have to admit I've never been able to see that fight. But I'm told the buildup to the fight was huge, considering it matched two great, unbeaten Mexican fighters against one another. They should show it on ESPN Classic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHis fight with Zamora was awesome a Thomas Hearns vs Marvin Hagler type of war if its the right fight im thinking of, is that the fight where some guy in the crowd comes into the ring with only his underpants on or something like that ??Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanOh yeah.... huge fan of Gomez also. But I didn't realize Zarate ended his career with such a high KO ratio himself. Speaks volumes of the achievement it was for Gomez to KO Zarate. Zarate had a key victory on the way up against a great, fellow Mexican fighter... Alfonso Zamora. That was also a battle of unbeatens.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHMxwu1MeZwQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanI have to admit I've never been able to see that fight. But I'm told the buildup to the fight was huge, considering it matched two great, unbeaten Mexican fighters against one another. They should show it on ESPN Classic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHis fight with Zamora was awesome a Thomas Hearns vs Marvin Hagler type of war if its the right fight im thinking of, is that the fight where some guy in the crowd comes into the ring with only his underpants on or something like that ??Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Man, that was awesome! Zarate took some tremendous shots from Zamora, but Zamora just looked too small for Zarate. And yeah... (LOL)... I see what you mean about the guy in the underpants crashing the party. He's lucky the cops just threw him out of the ring. I would've let either Zarate or Zamora beat the crap out of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHMxwu1MeZwQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanI have to admit I've never been able to see that fight. But I'm told the buildup to the fight was huge, considering it matched two great, unbeaten Mexican fighters against one another. They should show it on ESPN Classic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Lewis-Vitali
Wlad-Sam Peter
RJJ-Toney
McClellan-Jackson
Hearns-Hagler
Shavers-Lyle
Tito Trinidad vs Yory Boy Campas.............;D
http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/12...600x600Q85.jpg
Your last three are the best on your list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Oh yeah! Yori Boy was 56-0 with 50 KO's coming into the fight. Good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macho
You got it, this has to be highest KO % of any two fighters who have met, although Zarate's record at the time suggests he was knocking out busboys!
Gomez certainly did a number on him though!
You'd think so. And I'm sure there were a few busboys scattered in that record. But watch the Zarate-Zamora fight, and you'll see classic boxing at its best. Zarate was for real.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Well sure it LOOKS out of place since they were both more boxers than sluggers but RJJ was 26(23 KO's)-0-0 and James Toney was 44(29 KO's)-0-2...but James Toney had some big power when he used it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanYour last three are the best on your list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Some other high % tussles Randall Baily 17-0 17 KO's.......Bolillo Gonzalez 48-3-1 43 KO's
Mike Tyson 37-1 (33) Ko's.........Alex Stewart 25-1 (25) Ko's
Jaime Garza Vs. Juan Meza had good KO %.....don't recall off top
Ohh and anything with Tye Fields,great KO percentage and most of his opponents fight like there 0-0- 0 KO's. 100% Lol :fight:
Roy Jones Jr. 17-0 (17).....vs. Jorge Castro 71-3-2 (51)
In all seriousness,The Z boys battle should have been a title fight.....Politics be damned
Michael Moorer 24-0(24) vs. Alex Stewart 27-2(27) is up there
Cintron (25-1, with 23 KO's) vs Matthysse (27-1, with 26 KO's) should be on the list as well.
(I may be slightly off on the numbers).
Valero vs anyone
for recent fights..
Pavlik/Miranda comes to mind.
I agree, great fight and Zarate certainly proved himself a worthy champ, Zarate is a top 10 ATG Mexican champ no doubt.Retired to early IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanYou'd think so. And I'm sure there were a few busboys scattered in that record. But watch the Zarate-Zamora fight, and you'll see classic boxing at its best. Zarate was for real.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
In my opinion the hardest hitters ever to face each other are :
G-man V THE HARDEST 1 SHOT HITTER Julian The Hawk Jackson.
Shannon Briggs 44 wins 38 Ko's
Luciano Zolyone 22 Wins 21 Ko's
Pavlik-Miranda
Joe Frazier vs George Foreman!!
Jackson vs McClennan
Zelenoff-Hartley ;D
Tyson and Bruno must be two of the hardest. Frazier and Foreman for me though.
Lewis v Tyson
Haye-Maccarinelli
If I'm not mistaken Zarate vs. Zamora is the highest at world class level.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Zarate had 45 wins 44 kos while Zamora had 29 wins 29 kos.
When I say world class level I mean 2 of the highest rate fighters in their div. and for titles. Now if you go check your records and or BoxRec you'll find that the fight itself was NOT for any titles. But please don't be fooled by that. Zarate was the reigning WBC champ and Zamora was the reigning WBA champ it just so happens that the STUPID belt org. decided not to acknowledge the fight. But in reality once Zarate beat Zamora, Zarate became the Undisputed Bantam champ. It was a great battle fought valiently by both.
Good call here mi pana 2 hard hitters for sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by Macho
At 1st glance that can be true but Zarate fought world rated fighters like Martinez, Ferrair and Davila.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Good call here, and what a great 1 rounder they gave us. Meza pulled off the upset special on that night and gave it his all. Garza was suppose to be the next big thing and BAM! Meza put that to rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I also would like to speak on something about Gomez. I respect the guy for the skills he had and because of the pride he had. He always fought to the end like a true warrior BUT I gotta admit and say something.
Gomez was a fighter who used to let his emotions get the best of him. Sometimes he was uncontrolable, he didnt like people telling him what to do not even his own people who managed his career. Not sure how many people know this but Gomez actually flew out WITHOUT his management and without his team when he signed on to fight vs. "Chava" Sanchez. In other words he did it behind their back.
One of the things that bothers me most about Gomez is how he got away with hitting opponents while they were down. You can see this in several fights and I can tell you this because I've studied the fights.
He hits the following fighters while they were down: Sakad, Zarate, Pintor and there's one more who's name I can't think of now but I will post it as soon as I find it cause I have it written down somewhere and this last one that I can't think of even after the fight had already been stopped Gomez had to be restrained by the ref. and his corner cause he wanted to continue hitting the guy while he was down.
Cintron-Margarito
Cintron-Matthysse
i know exactly what you mean Mick, i've studied Gomez's fights and believe it or not i was actually thinking the same thing. i guess someone had to say it. it might as well be you. (cus it won't be me). all joking aside that does make me mad when i see that in a fighter. especially someone that will be remembered like Gomez will. kinda sad.
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Originally Posted by leftylee
That fight was always going to be about who hit hardest first.
Biggest mistake of enzos career was not taking a standing 8 when he got smashed with that big overhand right!!
I never knew Zamora had that high of KO ratio i do know when he fought Zarate it was a big showdown because they were both undefeated at that time and it was really hyped i didn't know if it was for title or not, i have seen the fight but the commentary isn't in English. But it was a great battle it was like Hagler vs Hearns for 4 rounds, and that guy from the crowd running in the ring with his underpants then he got thrown out of the ring like he was in the Royal Rumble was hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickIf I'm not mistaken Zarate vs. Zamora is the highest at world class level.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Zarate had 45 wins 44 kos while Zamora had 29 wins 29 kos.
When I say world class level I mean 2 of the highest rate fighters in their div. and for titles. Now if you go check your records and or BoxRec you'll find that the fight itself was NOT for any titles. But please don't be fooled by that. Zarate was the reigning WBC champ and Zamora was the reigning WBA champ it just so happens that the STUPID belt org. decided not to acknowledge the fight. But in reality once Zarate beat Zamora, Zarate became the Undisputed Bantam champ. It was a great battle fought valiently by both.
Good call here mi pana 2 hard hitters for sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by Macho
At 1st glance that can be true but Zarate fought world rated fighters like Martinez, Ferrair and Davila.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Good call here, and what a great 1 rounder they gave us. Meza pulled off the upset special on that night and gave it his all. Garza was suppose to be the next big thing and BAM! Meza put that to rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I also would like to speak on something about Gomez. I respect the guy for the skills he had and because of the pride he had. He always fought to the end like a true warrior BUT I gotta admit and say something.
Gomez was a fighter who used to let his emotions get the best of him. Sometimes he was uncontrolable, he didnt like people telling him what to do not even his own people who managed his career. Not sure how many people know this but Gomez actually flew out WITHOUT his management and without his team when he signed on to fight vs. "Chava" Sanchez. In other words he did it behind their back.
One of the things that bothers me most about Gomez is how he got away with hitting opponents while they were down. You can see this in several fights and I can tell you this because I've studied the fights.
He hits the following fighters while they were down: Sakad, Zarate, Pintor and there's one more who's name I can't think of now but I will post it as soon as I find it cause I have it written down somewhere and this last one that I can't think of even after the fight had already been stopped Gomez had to be restrained by the ref. and his corner cause he wanted to continue hitting the guy while he was down.
As for Wilfredo Gomez i totally know what you mean about his emotions getting best of him, i recently see Zarate vs Gomez he hit Zarate after the bell and hit him few times while he was down on the canvas, he was lucky not to get DQ. It actually looked like he wanted to kill Zarate he was so fired up.
Dempsey v Firpo ;D
As we saw, Hide was a typical puncher who really couldn't take it when he stepped up in class of opposition though.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmbtandy
Damn bro your not wrong..Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
You dont even see that in the cases of more renound fights like
Julian jackson - Terry norris
or tito - yuri boy
Marciano-Louis.....granted Joe wasn't near his prime but historically speaking they are two of the best power punchers in the history of the heavyweight division