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Here's an article that should give eveyone a lot to talk about, so I thought that I would post it.
Let the debating begin. :fighting0040mf3:
Okay, I edited this to state, so that there is no misunderstanding, I do not agree with this article at all, I am just posting it for discussion purposes only.
BOXING BUDDY: The FRAUD That Is Oscar De La Hoya | Bleacher Report
No offense to you Diane although I don't think you'll take any.
What a garbage article written by somebody who clearly has no idea what the hell he's talking about. First off, I'm almost 99% sure that Julio Cesar Chavez wasn't called the Baby Faced Assassin. I might be wrong on that but in all the Chavez fights I've watched I've never heard him called that.
I wanted to stop reading after the first fight he mentioned. Anybody who criticizes De La Hoya's early competition is a fool. I don't care if Jeff Mayweather was a strawweight before he fought De La Hoya, very few fighters have ever had the type of competition De La Hoya did in his first 20 or so fights. I think the precedent for that is Pete Rademacher and that didn't turn out so well for him. The fact is the best boxers of all time beat up on dishwashers and cab drivers to start their career. De La Hoya was fighting world champions that is something you can not possible discredit. Any attempt to do so is, for lack of a better word, retarded. That's the only way I can describe it.
So the first 6 should never have been published end of. Even if it's a blog it's disappointing to read that someone (himself) actually believes these things he's saying.
On to number 7, what more needs to be said? He's slamming Oscar's stellar 21-0 record calling all his opponents, a good portion being world champions, while praising JCC's record which was notoriously padded with bums. Not discounting JCC at all but that's the truth. I've never seen his fight with Miguel Angel Gonzalez though I doubt this chump has either. Why he put the win over parentheses is beyond me but again that's the intellect we're dealing with here.
Number 9, oh boy. Well first off if this hater had seen the fight then surely he would have latched on to the fact that it was an older Whitaker who gave De La Hoya a close fight and he would have hammered that down. But obviously he didn't see the fight, only the scorecards and the tale of the tape so he chose to focus on that. What more is there to say? Anyone who thinks Whitaker didn't belong in the ring with De La Hoya doesn't need to be blogging about a Toughman contest much less this fight.
The last one, the Camacho fight is a footnote it's not a legacy defining fight. The only reason it dragged to decision was because Camacho was about as dirty as one could be, constantly holding and even picking Oscar up and slamming him on his head.
Enough of that, hopefully no one actually agrees with that dope. It's one thing to criticize De La Hoya, it's another thing to criticize him COMPLETELY WRONG. I mean really how off the mark could one guy be? I think my blood pressure just rose a little.
Poorly written and biass artice. This guy pick apart some of his fights from early in his career and fails to even mention the biggest fights of his career. top ten career inflating fights? ok pal. That was absolute garbage imo and im sure most would agree.
One of the worst articles I ever read.
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Originally Posted by amat
I didn't say that I agreed with it!!!!
I don't agree with it, and I think it's a bunch of crap!! I think this guy is smoking a little too much. :wackomz4:
I just posted it to get some discussion going, which seems to be happening.
These are all the best fighters ODLH fought.
Jorge Paez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Julio Cesar Chavez x2
Ike Quartey
Ricardo Mayorga
Bernard Hopkins
Shane Mosley x2
Pernell Whitaker
Felix Sturm
John John Molina
Rafael Ruelas
Gernaro Hernandez
Jesse James Leija
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Oba Carr
Felix Trinidad
Arturo Gatti
Fernando Vargas
Yori Boy Campas
Hector Camacho
Wilfredo Rivera
And all these fighters are mixture from 6 weight classes, how anyone can hate on ODLH's opposition is beyond me. He stepped up very quick in class, anybody who says different is just plain stupid or doesn't have a clue about ODLH. Also i would like to ask that same person who wrote that article who else could he have fought except for Winky Wright ?? a poorly written article and thats a plain and simple hater right there.
What discussion exactly, were you hoping that this article would lead to? Whether the nutjob who wrote it is kidding or not?
Strictly with focus on Jeff Schimmel..........I think the fraud is himself that proports to be a Boxing Historian :dunce:. I would venture and dare to bet that this clown has not sat through many of those fights he rants against..........And Highlights on U-Tube don't count.
I was never a Delahoya fan and his Ivory Tower mentality.....but as a fighter he was extremely solid and Save for Bredahl fight,I thought that was a softy but Bredahl actually gave Oscar alot of different looks and speed before Oscar caught up to him.... at the time all were more than credible.This guy put's Way to much focus on size as opposed to calibur and ability of those mentioned.
the only two nicknames i remember Chavez having "El Gran Campeon Mexicano" and "El Leon De Culiacan"
That article's a joke! This idiot seems to be basing Hoya's height as to why he won his fights. Wow! Maybe that's why LLewis won just about all of his fights.
I cant believe you agree with that article Diane. :rolleyes: I really lost all respect for you.....
...heh got you.;D Actually I agree 100% with this guy f de La Hoya(I didn't read the article,and I'm joking again suckers)
This article reeks of the type of shock jocky journalism that is so often precipitated by a writer's editor/publisher saying.."Your reader list is really starting to shrink and we need you to get people talking and reading!"
He lost me in the second paragraph with the SRL-Ashton Kucher analogy, I'm not a SRL fan but that is just foolish....I'm trying to read the whole article but the bias is soo thick you would think the guy walked in on de La Hoya boning his lady or something.....
1) What? His fifth fight dude cmon...really? Mayweather had 20 something pro fights already under his belt....horrible start...
2)Nitpicking under 15 fights this guy is busting nuts still. So what if that was a gimme, I guess by this guys standard guys got fight for the title by 10 fights...:rolleyes:
I'v read over most of the rest and I'm done....so what ODLH was a big SF/lightweight geez this guy must really hate Celestino Caballero.
It's just an absolutely pitiful premise that the article is based upon... DLH being "bigger" than many of his opponents. I mean for crying out loud, if they weren't big enough to fight him, why were they at that weight beforehand? He doesn't even really reference many opponents moving up in weight, simply discredits Oscar for being bigger.. The fact that they both cut down to make exactly the same weight I suppose counts for nothing:rolleyes: Fact is that if someone is fighting at a weight which is TO low for them to make comfortably, they will always suffer the consequences of being drained. Why not bring up how unfair it was for Chris Byrd to take on Shaun George last week, a guy who has fought 40 lbs below him for years. What a punk Chris Byrd is for taking on such a smaller, less experienced opponent. Oscar obviously had an excellent team behind him, and was a master of manipulating his bodyweight and rehydrating properly afterwards... That is a testament to his dedication, just as grueling training is, or just as fighting a hard 12 rounds is. The guy who wrote this article is a complete moron.
What an asshole, couldn't even get to the end was such bullshit, hated giving his post the extra click, wonder what this guy is doing these days, probably judging fights.
Agreed. I may not be a very big SRL fan either, but any man that can step in the ring with a guy like Tommy Hearns and walk out a winner is worthy of respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Rubbish. This guy is clueless.
And hey, don't mess with Dude Where's my Car. Its a work of art and will go down along with Casablanca, Citizen Kane and the Silence of the Lambs as alltime great Movies. LOL.
You can make some arguments against ODLH, but this certainly wasn't a argument made with 1 ounce of validity.
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Originally Posted by GRBOXINGFAN
Exactly.. I thought before I read the thing, "hmmm, De La Hoya a Fraud? That's going to be a pretty tough sell". But I was interested in what angle he might take, at first.. The fact that it's basically targeted at the one aspect of DLH's career you CAN'T discredit, is just bizzare.
I never even caught the SRL diss in there, had to go back to read it. This guy makes me want to puke this is just one of those things that you wish you didn't read. Kind of like watching that guy who hates Zelenoff on youtube, Claudio :-X
Wow someone posted a link to this thread in the comments of the article at the bottom of the page.
Hahah, in the event that the author might read, I hope. What a FUKING MORON he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Apparently he didn't find Saddo's to his liking: "Thanks for linking my story to your website. I laughed myself silly reading the angry comments from your totally uninformed readers. How they can dispute someone having a 6 inch height advantage and a 12 inch reach advantage, I don't know."Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingHahah, in the event that the author might read, I hope. What a FUKING MORON he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Make sure you steer them to the addendum I added, just for them.
I personally can't stand ODH, but there's no denying that he has fought a tremendously high level of competition throughout his career.
SRL not a great fighter? What a fucking clueless fucktard.
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Originally Posted by p4pkingHahah, in the event that the author might read, I hope. What a FUKING MORON he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Good. Maybe he will sign up and come here, and we can tell him he's fulla shit directly to his glowing monitor. Shock Jockeying Journalist Fraudster Hypocrite. But I mean that in a polite way.
Hey,Maybe Dios found a new gig. Sounds like a hired hand and carnival barker looking for reaction:biteit:Its his first Article...... steaming pile of crap'olla.Suprised he could even spell Jorge Paez
I think the De la Hoya Vs. Floyd hype is starting already.
ODLH just got swiftboated (and i'm a republican): using his strengths against him. More than any recent champion he faced all comers. The list of boxers he fought is among the best in history. The only argument against ODLH is that he lost his biggest fights, and even that's arguable, when you consider the controversial decisions against trinidad and Mosely (II).
Last I checked, boxing is divided by weight classes, not "size" reach or height classes. Yes, ODLH dominated as a lightweight, probably b/c of his height/reach advantage; but than do we take credit away from tommy hearns when he had similar advantages as a welter?
LOL this guy is such a prick, and it turns out it's nothing but a blog site certainly that could have never been run by any self respecting editor. Haha check out his profile. What an absolute twat and a liar to boot.
No comment. I was chanting Mosley's name when he fought De la Hoya.:cool:
Whoever wrote that should be shot. Twice.
He was also known as J.C.Superstar .Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Just the arrogance he displays right off the bat, saying SRL was not a great, is astounding. Uninformed readers, how ridiculous. I wonder if this guy has indeed watched many of Leonard or DLH's fights at all, or whether he just has some obsessive predisposition to try and discredit them. I love how he would have actually read the comments in this thread though;D I don't know how many pieces of garbage this guy has "written", but I wonder if he ever reads any comments that would suggest he ISN'T a moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHApparently he didn't find Saddo's to his liking: "Thanks for linking my story to your website. I laughed myself silly reading the angry comments from your totally uninformed readers. How they can dispute someone having a 6 inch height advantage and a 12 inch reach advantage, I don't know."Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingHahah, in the event that the author might read, I hope. What a FUKING MORON he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Make sure you steer them to the addendum I added, just for them.
I personally can't stand ODH, but there's no denying that he has fought a tremendously high level of competition throughout his career.
SRL not a great fighter? What a fucking clueless fucktard.
I can't agree with him critizing what DLH did for most of his career.. He was brilliant in and out of the ring, and became one of the most well known boxers to people outside the sport for a reason...
However I continue to lose respect for him as a person, and to a small extent as a fighter the longer he goes on in the boxing game...
That's just my personal opinion though...
And I wouldn't find it to harsh to transfer the word "fraud" over into describing a Mayweather vs ODLH II if it comes about..
I'm not a huge DLH fan but I think DLH must have BANGED this guys girlfriend or something because he's talking a load of crap. Is there anyone who DLH HAS NOT fought ?
Quartey, Trindad, Rafeal Ruelas, Mayweather, Mosley.
He fought them all in there prime and you could make any argument (bar Mosley 1) that he won them all.
Not to mention he fought Whittaker, Chavez, jesus christ, he fought B-Hop after B-Hop destroyed Trinidad. Cmon...Is this guy Bob Arum in disguise ? (lol) I barely made past the 1st sentence after he dissed SRL. How can you take this man seriously when he doesn't rate a fighter who has beaten Hagler, Hearns and Duran ?
I rest my case
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Not shit amat.... This shit is a fucken piece of garbage...Quote:
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While I'm sure many nicknames came about through his career, that I can recall on the career set I have I've only ever heared him announced by 2 distincted nicknames. The 1st one being "The Aztec Warrior" and the 2nd being "El Gran Campeon Mexicano"....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlHe was also known as J.C.Superstar .Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I've also read "El Leon De Culiacan", "J.C. Chavez", "El Hijo De Mexico" among others.
His resume is unquestionable, as for who he could have fought except for Winky? Tszyu comes to mind. Both were at 140 in 1996. Nothing should have stopped them fighting and as for the tired excuse that Tszyu lost to Phillips may i remind everyone DLH fought Whitaker at 147 in April 97' one month before the Tszyu V Phillips fight at 140 in May 97', they should have fought in 1996.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB