Re: Analize Ricky Hatton.
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Dark Lord Al
I am very interested in your opinions on Ricky Hatton , i know people like VD really dont rate Hatton which is fine , i just wanna know everyones reasons for and againest.
1.Hatton has great stamina.
2. Hatton has pretty good punch power , especially to the body.
3. He has pretty good boxing skills.
4. Is a good pressure fighter.
5. Good strength at 140 lbs.
So from all these ingredients i can only come to the conclusion that since stepping up in class , he has grabbed and held more because maybe his chin is not his strongest part of his makeup.
Im not saying he has a glass jaw , im just saying pressure fighters like Chavez etc. if being outboxed a bit tended to really up the prssure and take a few to land a few.
Is Ricky scared of being cut or his chin failing him ?
He really looked brilliant at a slightly lower level , when he bullied and pushed his oponants back.
So come on guys and girls tell me your feelings on this.
Yeah he has really great ingredient as well as raw desire!Of couse he looks and plays the part brilliant at his natural 140lb weight.The fact he holds onto other fighters in the 147lb weight most proberly comes from the fact that he is up soo close to his opponant due to the fact that he fights on the inside on 9 out of 10 of his fights.What you mentioned about the fact that he could be afraid of getting clocked on the button(Chin)in relation on him holding on to his 147lb opponants is the a factor that the opponants he fought on the 147lb HBO 3fight Contract are all inside heavy handed fighters.I dont think it was the fact on being such a weight problem..just fail-safe tactics on a different weight division.Holding is not neccessarly a sign of weight problem....just tactics when there needed!
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Skill-wise he's a world class fighter. I think he's around 9-10 P4P.
Aside from his conditioning, or lack there of, between fights, his main weakness seems to be his mental make-up. He lost his composure during the PBF fight, and he's been making excuses for the outcome and moping about it since he picked himself up off the canvas. As long as he sticks to the 140lb division and doesn't rematch PBF, I can see him finishing his career with the loss to PBF the only black mark on his record as he's clearly (IMO) the best Jr. Welter around. I think Malignaggi gives him a hell of a fight though.
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Good post..
I was telling this to my brother earlier..
I feel bad to say it about ricky and i wonder if it is true or not.. but he never used to hold before tszyu or his latter fights..
But since then he has held alot more, and it seems like he is a little timid that he is going to get hit.. but at some points he smothers his own work..
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Tito BHB
Good post..
I was telling this to my brother earlier..
I feel bad to say it about ricky and i wonder if it is true or not.. but he never used to hold before tszyu or his latter fights..
But since then he has held alot more, and it seems like he is a little timid that he is going to get hit.. but at some points he smothers his own work..
I've never seen a fight where Hatton didn't hold and hit. Can you please post a video that has an entire round where he doesn't hold and hit?
Not calling you out bro, but I've never seen it.
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Tito BHB
Good post..
I was telling this to my brother earlier..
I feel bad to say it about ricky and i wonder if it is true or not.. but he never used to hold before tszyu or his latter fights..
But since then he has held alot more, and it seems like he is a little timid that he is going to get hit.. but at some points he smothers his own work..
I've never seen a fight where Hatton didn't hold and hit. Can you please post a video that has an entire round where he doesn't hold and hit?
Not calling you out bro, but I've never seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPDDWdCKzZg
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Kel
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killersheep
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Tito BHB
Good post..
I was telling this to my brother earlier..
I feel bad to say it about ricky and i wonder if it is true or not.. but he never used to hold before tszyu or his latter fights..
But since then he has held alot more, and it seems like he is a little timid that he is going to get hit.. but at some points he smothers his own work..
I've never seen a fight where Hatton didn't hold and hit. Can you please post a video that has an entire round where he doesn't hold and hit?
Not calling you out bro, but I've never seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPDDWdCKzZg
Fair enough, that guy fought a bit like that body bag thing Billy Graham wears. That was a very different Hatton than I have see admittedly I have only see his fights from Tszyu on, and before that only clips.
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I must admit that the thread title put the fear of god into me....
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ANALize ricky hatton :confused:
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ANALize ricky hatton :confused:
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Only a matter of time before Lefty comes running into this thread
Re: Analize Ricky Hatton.
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
I am very interested in your opinions on Ricky Hatton , i know people like VD really dont rate Hatton which is fine , i just wanna know everyones reasons for and againest.
1.Hatton has great stamina.
2. Hatton has pretty good punch power , especially to the body.
3. He has pretty good boxing skills.
4. Is a good pressure fighter.
5. Good strength at 140 lbs.
So from all these ingredients i can only come to the conclusion that since stepping up in class , he has grabbed and held more because maybe his chin is not his strongest part of his makeup.
Im not saying he has a glass jaw , im just saying pressure fighters like Chavez etc. if being outboxed a bit tended to really up the prssure and take a few to land a few.
Is Ricky scared of being cut or his chin failing him ?
He really looked brilliant at a slightly lower level , when he bullied and pushed his oponants back.
So come on guys and girls tell me your feelings on this.
1. I like Hatton, he's hard not to like.
2. Hatton is in shape come fight nite.
3. Good Power
4. Good Hand speed
5. Very good heart.
Boxing skills...well. He telegraphs some of his punches and doesn't move his head enough. His footwork is lacking some and he gives his opponent angles to hit him. He'll come in with his hands too low from time time. Overall decent skills, but not technically elite boxing skills.
This doesn't mean he isn't an elite fighter though. His toughness and physical tools make up for his technical deficiencies and make him an elite fighter IMO.
I do wish people would stop saying Hatton is a different fighter at 147 than at 140. He's probably nearly exactly the same fighter. Probably trains the same and comes into fight night within 1 or 2 lbs at either weight only he probably isn't as weight drained at the higher weight. The only difference is his opponent. Its the Same Ricky Hatton, just a bigger opponent. Hatton is a bigger 140 lber, but a smaller 147 lber. He can't bully the bigger men like he can smaller fighter's.
Hatton still has some good years left. If he stays at 140 he has some good potential opponents. I hope he rips Malignaggi's head off. I think several of the guys at 135 who might come to 140 will have a hard time dealing with Ricky's strength and bullying. I also think he'll beat Pacman if he comes all the way up to 140, I mean Pac started at 106 as a pro and spent most of his career at 126, 140 is a stretch for Manny. What would you think if Ricky talked about moving up to fight Kelly Pavlik at 160? That's essentially what Pacman would be doing coming up to 140. I think Torres could give him some trouble.
We will see Hatton-Floyd II. Floyd will KO him again, but that doesn't matter. This fight will be the biggest money fight out there in 2009 and both of these guys would be crazy to turn down that type of payday. Boxers never turn down $20M dollar paydays ever, its as simple as that. After that fight the next biggest one out there would be for the winner to fight Cotto. So I believe we'll see Floyd-Hatton II and then Floyd-Cotto in 2009.
From a boxing Purest's standpoint this fight doesn't make sense. Floyd outclassed Hatton by a country mile and the second fight would be Floyd toying with Hatton. But, the business men don't pay attention to what the purest's think.
God forbid Hatton somehow faces Cotto in the future. You might need a spatula to extricate Ricky from the canvas if he ever fights Cotto.
Re: Analize Ricky Hatton.
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Tito BHB
Good post..
I was telling this to my brother earlier..
I feel bad to say it about ricky and i wonder if it is true or not.. but he never used to hold before tszyu or his latter fights..
But since then he has held alot more, and it seems like he is a little timid that he is going to get hit.. but at some points he smothers his own work..
This is kinda the point im making , as Ricky was a windmill of a fighter with good defensive skills againest lesser oposition, now he hits and grabs alot , which i think has made alot of the guys hate Hatton especially those stateside.
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Ricky has great footwork. He is fast on his feet and great at cutting off the ring. His only issue is that he sometimes does not give himself enough room to get off clean shots.
I really cannot find any bad traits about him except on how he treats his body between fights.
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great pressure fighter, strong, fast, great footwork, great bodywork.
Only problem with him is he clinches too much and there's something about his chin, i feel thats to do with him going up in weight though.
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Hatton does clinch way too much. Im hoping we see a return to the sharp boxing we saw for the first 6 against Urango. That was lovely to watch.
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Positives:
1: Tremendous heart
2: Fast footwork
3: Good handspeed
4: Very strong at 140
5: Excellent body puncher
Negatives:
1: Lacks head-movement, especially in 2nd half of fights
2: Open to straight right hands
3: Struggles badly with quality southpaws (who doesn't?)
4: Cannot fight at 147
5: Smothers his own work sometimes
I could go on with the positives and negatives. He's a great fighter all in all. A very likeable guy.
I noticed a few posts saying he holds a lot at 147 because he has a questionable chin. That's not true. At 147 he doesn't have the natural core strength of the natural welters. If he doesn't hold, he will get pushed back. That's why Collazo and Mayweather were such struggles....amongst other things.
I have alos noticed he changed his style for the Kostya Tszyu fight and it worked perfectly. However he hasn't really gone back to his old style......other than the first half of the Urango fight. His old style was fantastic to watch and very effective.
By the way he doesn't hit and hold, What he actually does is he uses one arm to move his opponents arms out of the way.....to enable him to land a punch. It's stil wrong imo but apparently its legal.
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I think he has slipped. I used to love watching Hatton but now find him an ugly messy jarring fighter.
Maybe it's just the classier level of fighter that has slowed him.
But it must also be down to his lifestyle and the ridiculous amount of filthy lucre he demands these days.. which i guess is understandable.
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Kel
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killersheep
I've never seen a fight where Hatton didn't hold and hit. Can you please post a video that has an entire round where he doesn't hold and hit?
Not calling you out bro, but I've never seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPDDWdCKzZg
Fair enough, that guy fought a bit like that body bag thing Billy Graham wears. That was a very different Hatton than I have see admittedly I have only see his fights from Tszyu on, and before that only clips.
You asked for a round without holding, now your on about the guy he fought and then admit you never seen him prior to Tszyu. LOL
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Kel
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killersheep
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Kel
Fair enough, that guy fought a bit like that body bag thing Billy Graham wears. That was a very different Hatton than I have see admittedly I have only see his fights from Tszyu on, and before that only clips.
You asked for a round without holding, now your on about the guy he fought and then admit you never seen him prior to Tszyu. LOL
And..................I asked to see it, because I have never seen him do that before, you had to go back more than 10 years to dig up a clip that he doesn't hold and hit. I do appreciate you taking the time to dig it up.
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ono
Positives:
1: Tremendous heart
2: Fast footwork
3: Good handspeed
4: Very strong at 140
5: Excellent body puncher
Negatives:
1: Lacks head-movement, especially in 2nd half of fights
2: Open to straight right hands
3: Struggles badly with quality southpaws (who doesn't?)
4: Cannot fight at 147
5: Smothers his own work sometimes
I could go on with the positives and negatives. He's a great fighter all in all. A very likeable guy.
I noticed a few posts saying he holds a lot at 147 because he has a questionable chin. That's not true. At 147 he doesn't have the natural core strength of the natural welters. If he doesn't hold, he will get pushed back. That's why Collazo and Mayweather were such struggles....amongst other things.
I have alos noticed he changed his style for the Kostya Tszyu fight and it worked perfectly. However he hasn't really gone back to his old style......other than the first half of the Urango fight. His old style was fantastic to watch and very effective.
By the way he doesn't hit and hold, What he actually does is he uses one arm to move his opponents arms out of the way.....to enable him to land a punch. It's stil wrong imo but apparently its legal.
Spot on post. I also think his short arms hurt him at WW. He has lousy reach for even at LWW, but the weakness comes into play even more at 147. He gave up 7" to both Collazo and Mayweather. It's harder jab his way in and once he is gets in, he's not physically stronger.
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killersheep
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Kel
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killersheep
Fair enough, that guy fought a bit like that body bag thing Billy Graham wears. That was a very different Hatton than I have see admittedly I have only see his fights from Tszyu on, and before that only clips.
You asked for a round without holding, now your on about the guy he fought and then admit you never seen him prior to Tszyu. LOL
And..................I asked to see it, because I have never seen him do that before, you had to go back more than 10 years to dig up a clip that he doesn't hold and hit. I do appreciate you taking the time to dig it up.
Thats all I could find on youtube. If your in UK maybe I can send you my Hatton career set for a couple of weeks;)
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Kel
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killersheep
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Kel
You asked for a round without holding, now your on about the guy he fought and then admit you never seen him prior to Tszyu. LOL
And..................I asked to see it, because I have never seen him do that before, you had to go back more than 10 years to dig up a clip that he doesn't hold and hit. I do appreciate you taking the time to dig it up.
Thats all I could find on youtube. If your in UK maybe I can send you my Hatton career set for a couple of weeks;)
I'd take you up on it IF I was in the UK.
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he was an exciting fighter at one point, back when he used to fight on Showtime before the Tsyzu fight. The way he'd get a guy on the ropes and kind of slide to the left and the right throwing bodyshots. Guess that did all change with the Tsyzu fight.
