PBFs Biggest Weakness..

Hes a slow starter. Floyd Mayweather is an incredibly talented fighter. Nobody could argue that. But like any fighter there are things that can work against him in a fight. Once he figures as fighter out hes nearly impossibe to beat beacause of his ring smarts and ability to execute a gameplan. But he can be beaten if hes in with a strong fighter with a strong mind who much like himself cant be broken easily. Zab was fighting well till Floyd figured him out and broke him. Same think with Hatton though less sucessful. Castillo got to him in the first fight but by the second PBF had figured him out and fought his fight. Whether or not he figured Oscar out is yet to be seen. I dont think he broke Oscars will in that fight like he has most of the other fighters he has faced. Either way Oscar is probably not the guy that will beat him. Cotto? He may be the guy cause hes mentally and physically tough. Margarito? He would be a huge underdog but he is the bigger man and a bigger puncher than Floyd. If he starts slow its Floyds fight, but if he starts at a ggod pace Id probably favor him.... I want Oscar to beat Floyd ..but if Floyd wins and fights the winner of Cotto-Margarito, I think he would be in for a tough fight with either guy.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Hes a slow starter. Floyd Mayweather is an incredibly talented fighter. Nobody could argue that. But like any fighter there are things that can work against him in a fight. Once he figures as fighter out hes nearly impossibe to beat beacause of his ring smarts and ability to execute a gameplan. But he can be beaten if hes in with a strong fighter with a strong mind who much like himself cant be broken easily. Zab was fighting well till Floyd figured him out and broke him. Same think with Hatton though less sucessful. Castillo got to him in the first fight but by the second PBF had figured him out and fought his fight. Whether or not he figured Oscar out is yet to be seen. I dont think he broke Oscars will in that fight like he has most of the other fighters he has faced. Either way Oscar is probably not the guy that will beat him. Cotto? He may be the guy cause hes mentally and physically tough. Margarito? He would be a huge underdog but he is the bigger man and a bigger puncher than Floyd. If he starts slow its Floyds fight, but if he starts at a ggod pace Id probably favor him.... I want Oscar to beat Floyd ..but if Floyd wins and fights the winner of Cotto-Margarito, I think he would be in for a tough fight with either guy.

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Being a slow starter is not a weakness IMO as far as Mayweather goes, he has probably the best defense in the game right now and has a great chin to match. He starts slow, because he knows that everyone thinks that pressure is the way to beat him and while his opponents go in there trying to take his head off from the opening bell, he is relaxing and letting them wear themselves out. I would put it up as more of a strength.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Hes a slow starter. Floyd Mayweather is an incredibly talented fighter. Nobody could argue that. But like any fighter there are things that can work against him in a fight. Once he figures as fighter out hes nearly impossibe to beat beacause of his ring smarts and ability to execute a gameplan. But he can be beaten if hes in with a strong fighter with a strong mind who much like himself cant be broken easily. Zab was fighting well till Floyd figured him out and broke him. Same think with Hatton though less sucessful. Castillo got to him in the first fight but by the second PBF had figured him out and fought his fight. Whether or not he figured Oscar out is yet to be seen. I dont think he broke Oscars will in that fight like he has most of the other fighters he has faced. Either way Oscar is probably not the guy that will beat him. Cotto? He may be the guy cause hes mentally and physically tough. Margarito? He would be a huge underdog but he is the bigger man and a bigger puncher than Floyd. If he starts slow its Floyds fight, but if he starts at a ggod pace Id probably favor him.... I want Oscar to beat Floyd ..but if Floyd wins and fights the winner of Cotto-Margarito, I think he would be in for a tough fight with either guy.

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The only real weakness i see is that he lays on the ropes far too much sometimes IMO.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Hes a slow starter. Floyd Mayweather is an incredibly talented fighter. Nobody could argue that. But like any fighter there are things that can work against him in a fight. Once he figures as fighter out hes nearly impossibe to beat beacause of his ring smarts and ability to execute a gameplan. But he can be beaten if hes in with a strong fighter with a strong mind who much like himself cant be broken easily. Zab was fighting well till Floyd figured him out and broke him. Same think with Hatton though less sucessful. Castillo got to him in the first fight but by the second PBF had figured him out and fought his fight. Whether or not he figured Oscar out is yet to be seen. I dont think he broke Oscars will in that fight like he has most of the other fighters he has faced. Either way Oscar is probably not the guy that will beat him. Cotto? He may be the guy cause hes mentally and physically tough. Margarito? He would be a huge underdog but he is the bigger man and a bigger puncher than Floyd. If he starts slow its Floyds fight, but if he starts at a ggod pace Id probably favor him.... I want Oscar to beat Floyd ..but if Floyd wins and fights the winner of Cotto-Margarito, I think he would be in for a tough fight with either guy.

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Being a slow starter is not a weakness IMO as far as Mayweather goes, he has probably the best defense in the game right now and has a great chin to match. He starts slow, because he knows that everyone thinks that pressure is the way to beat him and while his opponents go in there trying to take his head off from the opening bell, he is relaxing and letting them wear themselves out. I would put it up as more of a strength.

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interesting point that you see it as a stegnth, and I think it can be a stregnth down the strech if he can ware down his opponent, but it can be a weakness if he doesnt cause the other guy put rounds in the bank like Oscar and Judah did of course they didnt mainatain it. Pressure is a way to beat him if it can be maintained for 12 rounds. The other way to beat him is to hurt him early and take him out of the fight. I also think a tall rangy fighter with a good jab could beat him if its the right tall, rangy fighter. it can be done and I think him being a slow starter will be a part of the reason.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

interesting point that you see it as a stegnth, and I think it can be a stregnth down the strech if he can ware down his opponent, but it can be a weakness if he doesnt cause the other guy put rounds in the bank like Oscar and Judah did of course they didnt mainatain it. Pressure is a way to beat him if it can be maintained for 12 rounds. The other way to beat him is to hurt him early and take him out of the fight. I also think a tall rangy fighter with a good jab could beat him if its the right tall, rangy fighter. it can be done and I think him being a slow starter will be a part of the reason.

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Tall rangy fighter with a good jab..

see: Diego Corrales

see: TKO 10.. Knocked down 5 times

The only way a tall rangy fighter would beat floyd is if he catches him with a REAL lucky punch, assuming that this tall rangy fighter is lightning fast..

and also, i don't see a jab being the thing that beats Floyd.. it's not like Floyd comes at you until, the 7th-8th round, and sometimes even later.. Unless you want this tall rangy fighter to jab at air and get countered by Floyd's left hook..

The best style that would have a change beating Floyd is controlled aggression.. You have to overwhelm him when he's on the ropes and hopefully catch him with a big shot to stun him.. otherwise, he has been near flawless in avoiding shots anywhere else in the ring.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Hes a slow starter. Floyd Mayweather is an incredibly talented fighter. Nobody could argue that. But like any fighter there are things that can work against him in a fight. Once he figures as fighter out hes nearly impossibe to beat beacause of his ring smarts and ability to execute a gameplan. But he can be beaten if hes in with a strong fighter with a strong mind who much like himself cant be broken easily. Zab was fighting well till Floyd figured him out and broke him. Same think with Hatton though less sucessful. Castillo got to him in the first fight but by the second PBF had figured him out and fought his fight. Whether or not he figured Oscar out is yet to be seen. I dont think he broke Oscars will in that fight like he has most of the other fighters he has faced. Either way Oscar is probably not the guy that will beat him. Cotto? He may be the guy cause hes mentally and physically tough. Margarito? He would be a huge underdog but he is the bigger man and a bigger puncher than Floyd. If he starts slow its Floyds fight, but if he starts at a ggod pace Id probably favor him.... I want Oscar to beat Floyd ..but if Floyd wins and fights the winner of Cotto-Margarito, I think he would be in for a tough fight with either guy.

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Being a slow starter is not a weakness IMO as far as Mayweather goes, he has probably the best defense in the game right now and has a great chin to match. He starts slow, because he knows that everyone thinks that pressure is the way to beat him and while his opponents go in there trying to take his head off from the opening bell, he is relaxing and letting them wear themselves out. I would put it up as more of a strength.

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interesting point that you see it as a stegnth, and I think it can be a stregnth down the strech if he can ware down his opponent, but it can be a weakness if he doesnt cause the other guy put rounds in the bank like Oscar and Judah did of course they didnt mainatain it. Pressure is a way to beat him if it can be maintained for 12 rounds. The other way to beat him is to hurt him early and take him out of the fight. I also think a tall rangy fighter with a good jab could beat him if its the right tall, rangy fighter. it can be done and I think him being a slow starter will be a part of the reason.

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I agree with the tall rangy fighter, and I still think that Paul Williams would give PBF fits, for a combination of two reasons
1) He would not have to come inside to fight PBF at all
2) He can maintain his workrate
People will counter with ..............but Quintana.............
and to that I say Quintana's style is made to give fits to Paul Williams it's all about the styles.

I can't think of a fighter today who has fought more "pressure" style fighters than Floyd, trust me he has that style figured out.

I agree with you Sheep that Paul Williams would give him a hard time. Quintana is a lot different a fighter than Floyd, plus hes a southpaw so theres no comparison. Vernon Forrest would too but he may be too old now even though hes looked good as of late.

I don't agree that Quintana argument can't be used for Mayweather vs Williams debate. While Quintana's southpaw style does trouble Williams, it was also Quintana's movement that troubled Williams and it didn't allow him to get set and it offset his rhythm now i don't see why Mayweather can't do the exact same ?? unless Williams adapts in a rematch against Quintana im sticking by that argument.

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Originally Posted by RP33

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

interesting point that you see it as a stegnth, and I think it can be a stregnth down the strech if he can ware down his opponent, but it can be a weakness if he doesnt cause the other guy put rounds in the bank like Oscar and Judah did of course they didnt mainatain it. Pressure is a way to beat him if it can be maintained for 12 rounds. The other way to beat him is to hurt him early and take him out of the fight. I also think a tall rangy fighter with a good jab could beat him if its the right tall, rangy fighter. it can be done and I think him being a slow starter will be a part of the reason.

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Tall rangy fighter with a good jab..

see: Diego Corrales

see: TKO 10.. Knocked down 5 times

The only way a tall rangy fighter would beat floyd is if he catches him with a REAL lucky punch, assuming that this tall rangy fighter is lightning fast..

and also, i don't see a jab being the thing that beats Floyd.. it's not like Floyd comes at you until, the 7th-8th round, and sometimes even later.. Unless you want this tall rangy fighter to jab at air and get countered by Floyd's left hook..

The best style that would have a change beating Floyd is controlled aggression.. You have to overwhelm him when he's on the ropes and hopefully catch him with a big shot to stun him.. otherwise, he has been near flawless in avoiding shots anywhere else in the ring.

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Corrales was one guy and he didnt have a very good defence and he wasnt known for his jab. Obviously a tough figher, but Floyd was at his absolute best.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Corrales was one guy and he didnt have a very good defence and he wasnt known for his jab. Obviously a tough figher, but Floyd was at his absolute best.

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floyd is still at his absolute best.. In fact he seems more and more natural at welterweight as he gains more experience in the division..

Corrales wasn't known for his jab, but he did have a GOOD jab, and was a hell of a banger..

and yes it was "one" guy, but your point was about a "tall rangy fighter", and thats what Corrales was.. so why wouldn't that description be compared to Corrales?


I still feel, as i said earlier, that someone just needs to catch PBF on the ropes with a hard shot.. I think it was Corley that stunned him, and that was the most i've seen him hurt in a fight ever, and it was to a wild swinging Corley who caught him with what i'd consider a lucky shot..

Mayweathers biggest weakness is his weak hands. But even that hasn't been an issue of late

Diva's in fishnet's with mad cash :embarassed:

PBF doesn't always start slow.

I keep telling people that that corley shot didn't hurt PBF as much as people make it seem. I've watched that fight a dozen times PBF wasn't that hurt if he was even hurt at all.

People keep saying that pressur is the way to beat PBF. Yet everbody who has tried it has loss. Hatton the main guy people said would pressure PBF got KOed. It's not that simple to pressure PBF.

His biggest weakness like someone else said is or was his hands.

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Originally Posted by The Boxer

I keep telling people that that corley shot didn't hurt PBF as much as people make it seem. I've watched that fight a dozen times PBF wasn't that hurt if he was even hurt at all.

People keep saying that pressur is the way to beat PBF. Yet everbody who has tried it has loss. Hatton the main guy people said would pressure PBF got KOed. It's not that simple to pressure PBF.

His biggest weakness like someone else said is or was his hands.

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It just caught Mayweather on the blind side so it caught him by surprise and it stunned him nothing more nothing less he was dazed and it only took him about 10 seconds to recover. Also if i remember right i remember Mayweather getting caught really flush in one of his early fights against Miguel Melo.

I don't think Pressure is out of the question but i do think no one thing beats Mayweather, you need at least 3 different tactics mixed in with pressure fighting, unless your someone like Vernon Forrest or Thomas Hearns who can use there natural physical advantages over Mayweather.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Diva's in fishnet's with mad cash :embarassed:

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Lmao

I think Mosely could give Mayweather his toughest fight if they could make that match.

Castillo got it right in their first fight by going to the body rather than the head when Floyd was againsed the ropes (I had Castillo winning by two). Floyd goes to the ropes too much, yet DLH was trying to take his head off everytime rather than work the body.

I think De La Hoya should wear shorts with $ on them in the rematch. Might distract Floyd somewhat

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Originally Posted by Kel

Castillo got it right in their first fight by going to the body rather than the head when Floyd was againsed the ropes (I had Castillo winning by two). Floyd goes to the ropes too much, yet DLH was trying to take his head off everytime rather than work the body.

I think De La Hoya should wear shorts with $ on them in the rematch. Might distract Floyd somewhat

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Lol that's asking for sexual assault from pbf right there.

Sometimes I think he tries to be to defensive when he should be trying to put some distance on the scorecards. Might be his chin but I haven't seen him really take alot of shots to find out.

i know everyone wil jump all over me but i thought castillo won the first fight and de la hoya won the fight aswell. i think if floyd jumped in with margarito or cotto there relentless pressure would be too much for him - especially margarito who can seemingly walk through knock out shot after knock out shot.

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Originally Posted by fugaziuk

i know everyone wil jump all over me but i thought castillo won the first fight and de la hoya won the fight aswell. i think if floyd jumped in with margarito or cotto there relentless pressure would be too much for him - especially margarito who can seemingly walk through knock out shot after knock out shot.

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First off theres couple of things wrong with this statement, first i really don't know how you had ODLH winning against Mayweather, i mean its obvious Mayweather dominated later rounds from technical point of view, so how could you have ODLH winning after 9 rounds by such a wide margin ?? is beyond me, Mayweather landed sharper cleaner blows where as most of ODLH's punches hit arms, gloves, shoulders. Secondly Cotto isn't relentless pressure fighter he is a patient aggressive fighter just like Castillo was patient against Mayweather picking his shots. Thirdly i don't care how good of a chin Margarito has you can't just expect to walk through Mayweather's shots, and even if he does Mayweather will out manoeuvre Margarito.

awwwwww - here we go again - i thought odlh won cause he forced the fight , was more agressive round to round and blah,blah,blah its been said a million times before. Also where did i say he won by a wide margin?? I had him up 1 round, as for margarito are you telling me he can take k.o blows from people like cintron etc and not take them from mayweather who (apart from hatton) ain't knocked out anyone in ages.

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Originally Posted by Kel

Castillo got it right in their first fight by going to the body rather than the head when Floyd was againsed the ropes (I had Castillo winning by two). Floyd goes to the ropes too much, yet DLH was trying to take his head off everytime rather than work the body.

I think De La Hoya should wear shorts with $ on them in the rematch. Might distract Floyd somewhat

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Absolutely! No one really tries to go for Floyd's body. Hopefully Cotto will get his chance..

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Originally Posted by caleoh12

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Originally Posted by Kel

Castillo got it right in their first fight by going to the body rather than the head when Floyd was againsed the ropes (I had Castillo winning by two). Floyd goes to the ropes too much, yet DLH was trying to take his head off everytime rather than work the body.

I think De La Hoya should wear shorts with $ on them in the rematch. Might distract Floyd somewhat

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Absolutely! No one really tries to go for Floyd's body. Hopefully Cotto will get his chance..

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That's funny.

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Originally Posted by fugaziuk

i know everyone wil jump all over me but i thought castillo won the first fight and de la hoya won the fight aswell. i think if floyd jumped in with margarito or cotto there relentless pressure would be too much for him - especially margarito who can seemingly walk through knock out shot after knock out shot.

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The Castillo fight was closer than the ODLH one. I don't think Castillo had Mayweather figured out. I honestly believe Mayweather's torn rotator cuff played a massive part in his style that night and Castillo, to his credit, made the perfect adjustments.
See the rematch..a fully fit PBF handled him just how he was supposed to.

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Originally Posted by fugaziuk

awwwwww - here we go again - i thought odlh won cause he forced the fight , was more agressive round to round and blah,blah,blah its been said a million times before. Also where did i say he won by a wide margin?? I had him up 1 round, as for margarito are you telling me he can take k.o blows from people like cintron etc and not take them from mayweather who (apart from hatton) ain't knocked out anyone in ages.

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Aww here we go again ?? well you have to expect someone to reply don't you ?? just because ODLH was more aggressive doesn't mean anything, like i have said many times it has to be effective aggression. Did ODLH land effective punches on Mayweather ?? no, did he get Mayweather off his game plan ?? no. I never said Margarito can't take Mayweather punches but he can't just expect to try and walk through Mayweather's shots, otherwise he will get boxing lesson Corrales tried the same thing who was a big Lightweight, and look what happened to him.

yeah but corrales didn't have the proven granite chin of maragrito. anyway who knows what the outcome would be cause the match prob ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by fugaziuk

yeah but corrales didn't have the proven granite chin of maragrito. anyway who knows what the outcome would be cause the match prob ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

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Granite chin or no granite chin it doesn't really matter, because there is no way on this earth Margarito can win by trying to walkthrough Mayweather's shots. It doesn't matter if Corrales didn't have granite chin you see the results of someone trying to walkthrough Mayweather's shots. The only real danger i see regarding Mayweather vs Margarito match up, is that Margarito is very good when his opponent's are against the ropes, and Mayweather does stay on the ropes too much at times.

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Originally Posted by fugaziuk

i know everyone wil jump all over me but i thought castillo won the first fight and de la hoya won the fight aswell. i think if floyd jumped in with margarito or cotto there relentless pressure would be too much for him - especially margarito who can seemingly walk through knock out shot after knock out shot.

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Thats the same shit they said before the Hatton DLH fight. Hell some fools even said it before the Gatti fight. It's not that simple to put pressure on PBF. Pressure may be the way to beat him but it's clearly not a simple task. These guys applied pressure and still loss.

Oh and Margarito may be able to walk throught PBF shots but can Margarito hit PBF? You don't win fights just by walking through shots.

Apart from trapping him on the ropes the only other time iv'e seen mayweather hit is on the end of a good Jab. When oscar used it properly he had Mayweather hanging on the end of it and even in the first round Ricky caught him with a few jabs before he started jumping into him.

It's the only real punch with the speed to get past his shoulder roll.

He's like a chinese puzzle box. Everyone think's they know how to do it but you have a go and it's all wrong. Someones gonna need to just rough him up get him out of his boxing and get him fighting....ala Cotto;D .

otherwise who the hell could outbox him?..It wont happen will it.

PBF likes to fight controlled and well-paced fights, like all those slick, pure-boxer type fighters. Bring the fight out of his control and I think he'll be in for a trouble. Little Hatton showed some glimpses of that in the early rounds by derailing PBF off his tracks, so to speak, with his relentless, and chaotic, attacks.

Hatton was doing a damn good job in his fight with PBF. I remember think PBF really needs to pick it up

I think if anybody was gonna beat PBF with that aggressive pressur stlye it would have been Hatton. I don't think Cotto will be the one to beat PBF. Even though cotto's skills have really improved over the years i just don't seem him beating PBF.

Floyds ego and love of money is his biggest weakness. The only thing that will beat floyd is floyd. I imagine he will fight way past when he should chasing the cash and that will be the only time that his undefeated record will be threatned. That we even have to ask this question shows how good of a fighter the guy is. I think even to this day people underestimate floyd and what he does in the ring, and once they actually do get in with him they realize the guy is on a whole different level, these guys let the fans and the media hype them all up into being the great saviour and floyd slayer just to have us dissappointed. Don't get me wrong floyd is not unbeatable...no one is. And cotto, tony, mosley, etc are all great more so in certain areas of thier game, floyd is just great in every area

money!;d

his biggest weakness is his eyesight , i will explain -

IF THIS GUY HONESTLY LOOKS IN A MIRROR AND THINKS HE IS A PRETTYBOY HIS EYES MUST BE REALLY POOR ;D