Cotto vs. Margarito: a Great Fight but will it be a Great Event?
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Cotto vs. Margarito: a Great Fight but will it be a Great Event?
Excellent read.
Was a good read cheers man.
How do you predict this one? I think Cotto is gonna have to use his boxing skills to win this one, but he is giving away reach and height. Cotto can be hurt and I think Margarito will hurt him, then what? With his workrate Cotto will be on the back foot a lot.
I have only seen a handfull of Margarito fights and from what I see it's pointless trying to KO him. Has he ever been hurt to the body?
This fights too far away. Can't wait
IU've been harping on about this fight for about 1year and a half!!! My 2 fave fighters and the 2 best WW. I was very very confident that Margarito would win but I've had to re-evaluate as of late. 2 things:
Margarito has never had to face a jab as good sa Cotto's and a jab can stop/hinder anyone.
Cotto's handspeed will trouble Tony.
However, I still favour Marg,based on the factors mentioned: size,power, and workrate. If Cotto wants to box,Tony will cut the ring off. If he wants to brawl,he'll have to take alot to give alot:Marg is the quintessential Mexican warrior,take 2 to give 1 type guy. The main punches will be the uppercuts of Tony and Cottos bodyshots. However, just because Cotto is smaller,doesn't make him better on the inside, as Tony is an awesome inside fighter.
I'll tell you what would win this fight: if Margarito had a good jab. if he learnt how to pump a good,strong jab,he would beat Cotto's ass.The reach advantage would be too much. I'm taking Tony via stoppage,jab or no jab,too big,too strong and too much to lose.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I'd have to disagree there. I think Cotto is top dog at 147 and that includes Mayweather. Tony got outboxed by Williams who has since lost to a Cotto leftover . Now Cotto will outbox Margarito . If he doesnt feel he can knock him out he will choose to do it the easy way . Whatever happens I cant see Tony winning .
Margarito wasn't in top form against Williams plus Williams gave Margarito problems because of his work rate, height, punching angles etc. Cotto won't give Margarito the same problems Williams did, and just because Williams lost to a guy Cotto beat in impressive fashion means nothing, and you should know better than that Game, boxing is all about Rock, Paper, Scissors.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I'd have to disagree there. I think Cotto is top dog at 147 and that includes Mayweather. Tony got outboxed by Williams who has since lost to a Cotto leftover . Now Cotto will outbox Margarito . If he doesnt feel he can knock him out he will choose to do it the easy way . Whatever happens I cant see Tony winning .
Although saying that i think Cotto wins tough UD he has superior boxing skills, shorter hooks which is a key factor in exchanges because that will allow Cotto to win exchanges against Margarito's much wider hooks, plus Cotto has better foot work than the slow plodding Margarito, has better hand speed than the mediocre hand speed of Margarito. Plus i would like to see how Margarito reacts to Cotto's body shots, Margarito has been decked by body shots before and yes i know it was early in his career but still since that no one has really tested his mid section to my knowledge so that will be interesting to see how Margarito reacts.
Margarito will give Cotto some problems with his work rate, uppercut, and his good ability at trapping opponents on the ropes where he does his best work. I like Margarito but if Cotto uses his boxing skills and fights smart i can see Cotto clearly winning tough UD by at least 3 or 4 rounds. Cotto is a smarter fighter than Margarito and i believe Cotto is smart enough to box for 12 rounds, remember he is a patient fighter and has improved greatly since his reckless fights with Torres, Corley.
I don't see Cotto having problems at all with the slow, poorly taught Margarito, I think Margarito is one of those guys who can come out as a tough indestructible guy who will eventually beat you up, but the best fighters in the division like Cotto, MAyweather, Mosley, etc. who keep sharp for 12 rounds will make him look silly.
If Mayweather still doesn't fight Cotto after this I would like to see Cotto face Clottey or Berto if he's ready.
IMO.....i choose TONY over COTTO by KO. not a devistating ko but the type that will come by the ref. I've seen COTTO's chin vulnerable by boxers who have and don't have power and we've all seen TONY getting hit massively with those who do have power and he still comes forward.....that is the heart of a CHAMPION and that will give him the belt.
I know i sound confident but that's what i think will happen with his length and power. Mind that i said he will win by KO but it will be between the 7th through ninth round if not tenth. Great hooks to the body and a straight right hook to the chin of COTTO and that's all she wrote.
This is just my OPINION.....i love COTTO since the day he first fought and i saw something in him but i've seen him get hurt too many times. He is smart knows how to keep his composure and is patient but he has yet to fight someone with the caliber of TONY.
To answer the ? if it is going to be a great event...............YES IT WILL!!!!!!!
Well those are my thoughts...............back to you JIM.
I can only agree with you on 1 thing that it will be a GREAT event.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeyluvsu
Other then that your post couldn't be more wrong.
Cotto by UD. :cool:
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Originally Posted by CutMeMickI can only agree with you on 1 thing that it will be a GREAT event.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeyluvsu
Other then that your post couldn't be more wrong.
Cotto by UD. :cool:
well it;s an opinion and thats how i feel have you put a post of COTTO i wouldn't disagree i'd just put my comments and that is that but i see and feel you're a little timid and that's fine with me!!!!!!!
A little sensative are we?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeyluvsuQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickI can only agree with you on 1 thing that it will be a GREAT event.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeyluvsu
Other then that your post couldn't be more wrong.
Cotto by UD. :cool:
well it;s an opinion and thats how i feel have you put a post of COTTO i wouldn't disagree i'd just put my comments and that is that but i see and feel you're a little timid and that's fine with me!!!!!!!
That time of the month?
;D
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Originally Posted by CutMeMickA little sensative are we?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeyluvsuQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
well it;s an opinion and thats how i feel have you put a post of COTTO i wouldn't disagree i'd just put my comments and that is that but i see and feel you're a little timid and that's fine with me!!!!!!!
That time of the month?
;D
Actually it's starts on JULY 26, 2008....when my emotions flair like a grenade on 4th of july.
:puke:Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeyluvsuQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickA little sensative are we?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeyluvsu
That time of the month?
;D
Actually it's starts on JULY 26, 2008....when my emotions flair like a grenade on 4th of july.
:fight:...Ewww...Hollier Jeezeez......I'm smelling bets.
damn MArgo is huge.
But I'm still pulling for Cotto
Spicoli,Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
If you haven't noticed this "mickyluvsu" character is sooo into me he even chose a name related to mine. ;)
I think he's a fag. :-\
Spicoli, actually "mickyluvsu" he's like my brother. My mom and his mom grew up together. He and I lived in the same apartment complexes our entire childhood and into our teens. We did the whole "Stand by Me" thing where we went camping, vandalizing in our early teen years. We went to the same Jr. High & H.S. and we party'ed our asses off in H.S.
Matter a fact Spicoli, 1st day of our senior year in H.S. I'm walking past his house on the way to school (where we usually met) and this fucker already has a lit joint :rasta: at 6:45 in the fucken morning 1st day of school. I looked at him and said you fucken high mutha' **er got damn! it's fucken 6 in the morning all he said (while holding his breath) was "So you gonna hit this?"
I said yeah! ;D
Besides I ain't betting with his ass anymore took his as almost half a year to pay me when I kicked his ass for Super Bowl XXVII.
Dude...sorry for tha slight on family values :drunks:....:biglaugh: Luv la familia long time bro & Micky....... sounds like a sweet tart LolQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickSpicoli,Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
If you haven't noticed this "mickyluvsu" character is sooo into me he even chose a name related to mine. ;)
I think he's a fag. :-\
Spicoli, actually "mickyluvsu" he's like my brother. My mom and his mom grew up together. He and I lived in the same apartment complexes our entire childhood and into our teens. We did the whole "Stand by Me" thing where we went camping, vandalizing in our early teen years. We went to the same Jr. High & H.S. and we party'ed our asses off in H.S.
Matter a fact Spicoli, 1st day of our senior year in H.S. I'm walking past his house on the way to school (where we usually met) and this fucker already has a lit joint :rasta: at 6:45 in the fucken morning 1st day of school. I looked at him and said you fucken high mutha' **er got damn! it's fucken 6 in the morning all he said (while holding his breath) was "So you gonna hit this?"
I said yeah! ;D
Besides I ain't betting with his ass anymore took his as almost half a year to pay me when I kicked his ass for Super Bowl XXVII.
He is keen on 1 point.....Margarito is putting it on Cotto, Bigtime
Spicoli, your good man no need to apologize for anything. You didn't say anything wrong. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsDude...sorry for tha slight on family values :drunks:....:biglaugh: Luv la familia long time bro & Micky....... sounds like a sweet tart LolQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickSpicoli,Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
If you haven't noticed this "mickyluvsu" character is sooo into me he even chose a name related to mine. ;)
I think he's a fag. :-\
Spicoli, actually "mickyluvsu" he's like my brother. My mom and his mom grew up together. He and I lived in the same apartment complexes our entire childhood and into our teens. We did the whole "Stand by Me" thing where we went camping, vandalizing in our early teen years. We went to the same Jr. High & H.S. and we party'ed our asses off in H.S.
Matter a fact Spicoli, 1st day of our senior year in H.S. I'm walking past his house on the way to school (where we usually met) and this fucker already has a lit joint :rasta: at 6:45 in the fucken morning 1st day of school. I looked at him and said you fucken high mutha' **er got damn! it's fucken 6 in the morning all he said (while holding his breath) was "So you gonna hit this?"
I said yeah! ;D
Besides I ain't betting with his ass anymore took his as almost half a year to pay me when I kicked his ass for Super Bowl XXVII.
He is keen on 1 point.....Margarito is putting it on Cotto, Bigtime
One thing.........Margarito beats the hell out of Cotto and stops him late....Any takers ...? :biteit: Year of the upsets you know,:-X
I'd take you up on it but unfortunately I've already got a dance partner for that night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
El Gamo. :cool:
Just so long as this enddds u[p fight of the year candidate, I'm happy (apologies for mispelling, I'm drunk as hell_
This post was just drunk. I am editing.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
You forget the ONE and most important factor in favor of Cotto's abilities...
CLUTCH The man has it, no boxing fan has seen Cotto faulter from it.
Cotto is clutch.
What the heck is clutch my man? And where you been?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by gyrokaiQuote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
You forget the ONE and most important factor in favor of Cotto's abilities...
CLUTCH The man has it, no boxing fan has seen Cotto faulter from it.
Cotto is clutch.
I never said it did mean everything but I was just making the point about levels. As you said Tony has been decked by lesser men with body shots and although Tony showed a decent chin vs Cintron, the peurto Rican was a head hunter . This peurto rican knows that if he kills the body the head will follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBMargarito wasn't in top form against Williams plus Williams gave Margarito problems because of his work rate, height, punching angles etc. Cotto won't give Margarito the same problems Williams did, and just because Williams lost to a guy Cotto beat in impressive fashion means nothing, and you should know better than that Game, boxing is all about Rock, Paper, Scissors.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I'd have to disagree there. I think Cotto is top dog at 147 and that includes Mayweather. Tony got outboxed by Williams who has since lost to a Cotto leftover . Now Cotto will outbox Margarito . If he doesnt feel he can knock him out he will choose to do it the easy way . Whatever happens I cant see Tony winning .
Although saying that i think Cotto wins tough UD he has superior boxing skills, shorter hooks which is a key factor in exchanges because that will allow Cotto to win exchanges against Margarito's much wider hooks, plus Cotto has better foot work than the slow plodding Margarito, has better hand speed than the mediocre hand speed of Margarito. Plus i would like to see how Margarito reacts to Cotto's body shots, Margarito has been decked by body shots before and yes i know it was early in his career but still since that no one has really tested his mid section to my knowledge so that will be interesting to see how Margarito reacts.
Margarito will give Cotto some problems with his work rate, uppercut, and his good ability at trapping opponents on the ropes where he does his best work. I like Margarito but if Cotto uses his boxing skills and fights smart i can see Cotto clearly winning tough UD by at least 3 or 4 rounds. Cotto is a smarter fighter than Margarito and i believe Cotto is smart enough to box for 12 rounds, remember he is a patient fighter and has improved greatly since his reckless fights with Torres, Corley.
Also I think skills have alot to do with it. Whilst I dont want to sound dismissive of Tony , I do belive that Judah and Mosley had superior speed and skills to him but they ended up finishing 2nd best to Cotto . It will go 12 but the best man will win . . . you know that ICB ;)
This just will not going to be a Great Event , will going to be a Great History................no doubt on that...............;D
Enjoy some great pics of them in P.R. in their Promotional Tour guys.....;D
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Clutch means good at winning under pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by El GamoWhat the heck is clutch my man? And where you been?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by gyrokaiQuote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
You forget the ONE and most important factor in favor of Cotto's abilities...
CLUTCH The man has it, no boxing fan has seen Cotto faulter from it.
Cotto is clutch.
Hey this is what i was saying in the other thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
All-Latino fights don't do great numbers - surprisingly/unfortunately.
Great fight for us (hardcore) BUT will get overlooked by the casuals.
SO... fuck the casuals :beat:
Gamo :) yeah, what he said. hehQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBClutch means good at winning under pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by El GamoWhat the heck is clutch my man? And where you been?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by gyrokai
rep rep rep
Both fighters are mirror images of each other in demeanour.
Smiles, professional appearance, calm, ready for war... Oh DAmn!!!!!
This is has great potential to aim at boxing history.
Both fighters are mirror images of each other in demeanour.
Smiles, professional appearance, calm, ready for war... Oh DAmn!!!!!
Crowd goes wild!!!!!!!! H-aaaaaaaaaaaaghhh! ;D
i honestly think Cotto will pick him apart....the skill divide here is HUGE IMO! Maybe even stop him late on but im pretty certain Cotto will win this.
Cotto. And I think he'll look good overall. Said why too many times to type it all out again.
Not even sure why I'm posting here.
Im going with Margarito. Provided he comes out firing, I think it will come down to one thing: Margarito WILL check that chin eventually.
I see a stoppage win for Tony.
I'm sitting on the fence for who I think will win - I change my mind a lot - but I think it will be an outstanding event. I bet this one doesn't disappoint.
Between an evenly matched fight between closley contested fighters with championship will and skill... I've always sided with the man with better technical skill.
There is a sad, but inescapable fact in boxing. No matter how great a fight is, in order for it to be considered a great “event”, more often than not it needs to include an English-speaking, U.S. boxer.
Now before anybody gets all indignant about this, think about it… it’s true. De La Hoya-Mayweather was a sh*tty fight, at least when compared to the mega-hype that preceded it. And yet, it was a major “event.” Cotto-Margarito, on the other hand, is shaping up to be twice as good a fight, but somehow, the question is whether it will be a great “event.” What gives?
Everyone knows the answer to that question. The big bucks are in the U.S. The big boxing venues, the major TV networks… all are in the U.S. Yes, boxing is huge in other countries. England, Mexico, Puerto Rico to name a few. But for any aspiring young boxer… where does he eventually have to go in order to achieve global fame and recognition? The U.S., that’s where.
Look at the Calzaghe issue. Up until now, most of the criticism aimed at him was that he would not fight outside of England. Hadn’t set foot in the United States. He finally got the message and crossed the pond to meet Hopkins.
As a hardcore boxing fan, that’s why I’m ecstatic about the rise of someone like Pavlik. He’s someone the stateside fans can embrace and rally behind, which in turn obviously does a lot for boxing. Don’t get me wrong, I would be a Pavlik fan anyway. The guy’s good, humble, exciting, and a hard puncher. My kind of fighter. But what makes him doubly great from a fan’s point of view is that he’s the kind of fighter that will be greater for boxing than most people realize to this point.
So will Cotto-Margarito be a great fight? You betcha. Will it be a great event? Well… put is this way. Even if the millions aren’t watching in the States, I’m sure millions of us in Puerto Rico and many millions more in Mexico will be glued to the TV sets for this one!
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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Yes please. name your terms. :)
Let me try this again and hope the Thread does not time out ??No offense Youngblood but I was hoping A longterm member or at least someone old enough to drive a car would Take this ;D.................JK bro.I mean,I can not even use the 'Cheers' smiley as I'm afraid I would be contributing to the delinquency of a minor Lol.;DHey.........You got it,Bets on.A couple of diferent options here:Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Yes please. name your terms. :)
#1 2 week sig bet where you put a Signiture underneath all your post's...not to exceed 90 charecters and nothing slamming family or just plain nasty S!!!.
# 2 1 week name change .Something along the lines of "Youngblood bleeds as Margarito wills it" or something......;D Or in the worst case scenario if Cotto boxes Tony's ears off and gets a late round stoppage :spit:......Vice versa.
We'll throw in a Rep rider bet at 10-1 for you.Margarito is defeated, You get 1000,Cotto gets crumpled up you rep me 100.
BTW,belated welcome to the forum Youngblood,I Like your spirit.Hope ya stick around..................You pick 1 or 2 ?
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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsLet me try this again and hope the Thread does not time out ??No offense Youngblood but I was hoping A longterm member or at least someone old enough to drive a car would Take this ;D.................JK bro.I mean,I can not even use the 'Cheers' smiley as I'm afraid I would be contributing to the delinquency of a minor Lol.;DHey.........You got it,Bets on.A couple of diferent options here:Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Yes please. name your terms. :)
#1 2 week sig bet where you put a Signiture underneath all your post's...not to exceed 90 charecters and nothing slamming family or just plain nasty S!!!.
# 2 1 week name change .Something along the lines of "Youngblood bleeds as Margarito wills it" or something......;D Or in the worst case scenario if Cotto boxes Tony's ears off and gets a late round stoppage :spit:......Vice versa.
We'll throw in a Rep rider bet at 10-1 for you.Margarito is defeated, You get 1000,Cotto gets crumpled up you rep me 100.
BTW,belated welcome to the forum Youngblood,I Like you spirit.Hope ya stick around..................You pick 1 or 2 ?
Ha thanks for the belated welcome Mr. Spicoli, sir. :P
I think a one week name change would be awesome. Of course nothing profane, just ya know, humiliating ;D. Plus we have to make sure there are so many posts made per day with whatever embarrassing name we can come up with for each other. Say like a min of 5 or so?
I really appreciate the odds you are giving me on the rep bet, but I also do not feel they are fair. I just think you are being nice about it.
So how about seeing you gotz lotza reps, we make it a say 2:1 instead. I win you hit me with 1000. You win I hit you with 500. Deal?
:banllama:
Done deal.For the record I'm picking Margarito to beat Cotto.I week name change .Just don't dissapear....;DGreat fight that insures excitement between two top notch Welters who demand respect.Don't worry about the 'minimum' post per day,I am around waaaay to much on here and sometimes think of the old saying....for some to want to see you,you must be missed first Lol.......;D:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsLet me try this again and hope the Thread does not time out ??No offense Youngblood but I was hoping A longterm member or at least someone old enough to drive a car would Take this ;D.................JK bro.I mean,I can not even use the 'Cheers' smiley as I'm afraid I would be contributing to the delinquency of a minor Lol.;DHey.........You got it,Bets on.A couple of diferent options here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
#1 2 week sig bet where you put a Signiture underneath all your post's...not to exceed 90 charecters and nothing slamming family or just plain nasty S!!!.
# 2 1 week name change .Something along the lines of "Youngblood bleeds as Margarito wills it" or something......;D Or in the worst case scenario if Cotto boxes Tony's ears off and gets a late round stoppage :spit:......Vice versa.
We'll throw in a Rep rider bet at 10-1 for you.Margarito is defeated, You get 1000,Cotto gets crumpled up you rep me 100.
BTW,belated welcome to the forum Youngblood,I Like you spirit.Hope ya stick around..................You pick 1 or 2 ?
Ha thanks for the belated welcome Mr. Spicoli, sir. :P
I think a one week name change would be awesome. Of course nothing profane, just ya know, humiliating ;D. Plus we have to make sure there are so many posts made per day with whatever embarrassing name we can come up with for each other. Say like a min of 5 or so?
I really appreciate the odds you are giving me on the rep bet, but I also do not feel they are fair. I just think you are being nice about it.
So how about seeing you gotz lotza reps, we make it a say 2:1 instead. I win you hit me with 1000. You win I hit you with 500. Deal?
:banllama: