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Something that ive always really wanted to know
Many a time ive been watching a boxing contest and seen 2 evenly opposed fighters trade punch for punch and the two virtually be inseprable on shots landed, thrown etc only for a judge to award the round either way.
For example, boxer A throws 54 lands 15, boxer B throws 56 lands 14 - Am i right in believing this should naturally be considered a 10-10 round as neither fighter gained on the other??
More judges need to start using the 10-10 rounds again. If you notice Teddy Atlas uses it ofter, but it always throws is score off from the official score.
Never, ever score a round even. Even if you have to want to give an even round think of a reason why you should not such as who is the champion, who is the aggressor, who punches have better quality, who has the better shorts! Anything but a level round!
Pretty much agree here.I have always tried to break a round down by the minute to minute.Hard to come up even there ,although you can not loose sight of the whole of the round.Just a bit indecisive with a ten-ten but there are some rounds where you just throw your hands up they seem that close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
with Vegas scoring you have to pick a winner.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsPretty much agree here.I have always tried to break a round down by the minute to minute.Hard to come up even there ,although you can not loose sight of the whole of the round.Just a bit indecisive with a ten-ten but there are some rounds where you just throw your hands up they seem that close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
surely its more subjective though to just score a 50/50 round even???
I pretty much am asking this question on the back of re-watching hamed-barrera...
early on neither guy threw or landed anything and you could be fooled for believing it was a heavyweight contest and not 2 world class feathers.
Think there was a certain round where nothing in particular happened and the landed count was like 7-8 yet still all 3 judges felt it neccesary to award the round to either guy.
that cant be right can it???
That one is easy, just go with MAB since everyone hates Naz :) Now give me a harder one or a better example ;)
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When both fighters land the same number of punches, the same kind of punches, have the exact same effect with their punches, show the same ring generalship, ect. In other words, ALMOST NEVER.
10-10 rounds is the product of incredibly lazy and uneducated judging IMO
Definitely there are even rounds and forcing you to judge in favor of one there just because it's the rule just doesn't seem to do justice to the fighters. I'll even go a step forward, I'd score an closely fought round a draw if I had the choice. That will take away the possibility of a bias, and besides I think a fighter should clearly take the round to win it.
I tend to give 10-10 rounds in feeling out rounds when both fighters are just warming up trying to find there rhythm/range etc.
I only score a round 10-10 when it's an incredibly slow and tactical round where neither fighter lands anything of significance. In other words, when neither fighter does anything to deserve winning the round.
When it's a close back and forth round with tons of action, I don't score it even, I feel obligated to declare someone the winner of the round.
I'm not saying that's the right way to do it, it's just how I do it.
I do the same, the only time I score an even round is if in the round both fighters didn't throw much and I can pretty much remember the round punch by punch...Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
No matter what I ALWAYS try to score a round 1 way or another.
I rarely score rounds even. Rarely...
Unless a round was won by a specific margin, id be inclined to score it even.
For me its not just about who won the round, its also a case of ''did he do enough to credit the win''.
Calzaghe - Hopkins is a good example where there were 2 or 3 rounds were all you got to score on was scrappy, jittery action with mostly partially scoring punches. No on took charge or gained an advantage in those rounds so for me its very easy to score those rounds as 10-10.
I wouldn't be the sort of judge who takes one fighter's 'shoe-shine' and deems it better than the other guy's single hard right hand. To me thats a bullshit round where both guys didn't do enough. Even round.
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He said it better :rolleyes:Quote:
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thats kinda the mindset i was coming from
A back and forth hellish round doesnt do any justice if you declare it 10-10 which is virtually no advantage to either.
If however as i said in my original post, said boxers throw hardly nothing all round yet one guy has that 1-2 extra landed shots surely the right thing to do is just declare the round even stevens???
This should be common practice right???
I cant remember ever scoring a round even to be honest. I try to subjective with 4 main criteria
Control of the ring
Aggresion
Volume
Effectivness
But this seldom works. It is boxing afterall crazy things happen in that ring.Boxers having haircuts in the mid-rounds :rolleyes:.
I tend to just go with the flow and weigh up every round how i see it.
I would score it a draw if both fighters stood feet planted in the centre and landed exactly the same amount of punches with the same force.Otherwise there's always something you can give to one fighter.
See this is where the argument gets interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tins06
Ive seen countless times when said boxer has been out scored on terms of punching shots all round yet in the last 30secs land a telling blow.
Do the judges go with who landed the more scoring shots or which were most telling???
I tend to go with who was controlling the rounds. If it's close I go with who executed their gameplan better based on their styles. So I judge differently if they are fighting as a volume puncher, counter puncher, power puncher, defensive wizard etc.
A 10-10 round should be reserved for super rare rounds where the action is very close and both fighters have their way for even duration of the round. If you are a judge than that's what you are there to do, pick a winner. Barrera and Morales had a few rounds I could justify scoring even and Vazquez-Marquez as well. But it definately should not be the norm, and should only be awarded to rounds that both fighters put up effort. In feeling out rounds someone will be doing less than the other. Even in hard to score fights like Calzaghe Hopkins I didn't have any even rounds.