Fighters unfairly attached to a loss.

I know I am new here and this may have been done to death but if not I will throw it out there (and hopefully not get massacred by the masses;D) How many fighters can you name that no matter what they achieve there will be the one loss that they can not escape. In a way where it is almost unfair the way the loss follows them around for the remainder of time. I'll start out with a few.

Mike Tyson's loss to Buster Douglas. People who do not even follow the sport will bring this up. Other then his prison record it is the one thing he can not escape. Even people who praise him feel the need to mention it.

Joe Louis loss to Max Schmelling. Have you ever seen a documentary about Louis that did not mention the loss?

Roy Jones KO loss to Tarver. Sometimes it seems like Jones did nothing in his career but lose to Tarver by brutal KO. I remember seeing Tarver on Friday Night Fights and they introduced him at the studio with Brian Kenny at least 5 times and each time they mentioned he beat Roy Jones.

Wladamir Klitschko and his KO loss to Cory Sanders. It forever labeled him as glass jawed.

Anyone have a few to add

Roberto Duran quitting against Ray Leonard. He never lived it down

Cintron/Margarito I and just about as bad fight II. In my eyes, I'll only ever remember him for sitting down and quitting, then crying like a school girl in the corner. At least in the rematch he didn't cry{at least not for the whole world to see anyways, maybe in the locker room:eek:}

Hatton may be remembered for his loss to Mayweather. No shame in losing to Floyd, but getting used as a pinball and bounced off the post is something people don't forget.

Liston /Ali......Both fights



How about Ketchel/Johnson.......every time Ketchel comes up its "He had a set up deal,went for sucker KO &Johnson got pissed and played dentist" ...............Shit,I just did it :-X

Good topic

I think Lennox Lewis is unfairly criticised for his two losses, and many people mention these when trying to make an excuse for him not to be an all time top 5 HW.

Larry Holmes vs Michael Spinks 1.

Nate Campbell losing to Peden was the first one that came to mind, though it was more the manner in which he lost than the fact that he lost.

Meldrick Taylor / Julio C. Chavez 1......

Duran V Leonard 2 -Is probably the most famous for the way it ended.

Hagler v Leonard -The controversy over the decision seems to overshadow
Hagler's reign as a long time champ at 160.


Tszyu v Phillips- Tszyu has copped a lot of flak for losing to Phillips in this one and i think unjustly, shit happens as they say and KT was doing a lot of that pre -fight with a big dose gastro the night before the fight. He cameback strongly after that.

Alexis Arguello vs Aaron Pryor I and II, i think Arguello is far too known for these two fights, and not known enough for his great career at the lower weights.

Great topic in such dry conditions for boxing.

I don't like to think about topics like these, because personally, I don't want to be remembered for one failure of my life. So I hold that to boxers to, at least I hope I do. heheh

I think the guy who said, Roberto Duran just hit it on the nail. It's sad because Duran would have been a champ in any era, but at the same time he did it to himself when he quit, he purposely made the mistake himself albeit a quick decision mistake.

Scares me what one mistake can do to your legacy, but then again, who cares what others think. I'm sure Duran regrets quitting.

I always kinda feel sorry for those rising stars you see greatness in but never get a completely fair crack of the whip because they lost a couple of 4round split decisions early in their careers.

Maybe controversial but Naseem Hamed with his loss to Barrera. His achievemets often get over-looked because he lost to MAB.

I also think David Haye was attached to his loss to Thompson unfairly. To me he learnt so much in that fight. It helped make him the fighter he is today. I think that fight is forgotten now anyway, but for a while people used to use that fight as an example as to why he'd never be a champ.

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Maybe controversial but Naseem Hamed with his loss to Barrera. His achievemets often get over-looked because he lost to MAB.

I also think David Haye was attached to his loss to Thompson unfairly. To me he learnt so much in that fight. It helped make him the fighter he is today. I think that fight is forgotten now anyway, but for a while people used to use that fight as an example as to why he'd never be a champ.

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Barrera was the first naturally gifted fighter to take on hamed and naz got found out against his 1st genuine world class opposition.

Naz had plenty of chances to let his punches go and take the plunge to see whether he or marco was the better fighter - he chose to paw his left hand for 12rounds even after being told endless times by steward he was losing on points!!

I would say Tszyu vs. Hatton. Most people remember two things about Tszyu KO'ing Judah and losing to Hatton.

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I would say Tszyu vs. Hatton. Most people remember two things about Tszyu KO'ing Judah and losing to Hatton.

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How do you come to that conclusion??

Hatton has proven himself as one of the all time great 140 pounders.

Judah on the other hand got demolished by tszyu and has since struggled at 147+

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I would say Tszyu vs. Hatton. Most people remember two things about Tszyu KO'ing Judah and losing to Hatton.

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How do you come to that conclusion??

Hatton has proven himself as one of the all time great 140 pounders.

Judah on the other hand got demolished by tszyu and has since struggled at 147+

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Your fanboyism has blinded you yet again. I said nothing about Hatton NOT being great. I also said nothing about Judah not struggling at 147.
Read the topic again and reread what I posted.

Tszyu's legacy will always be inseperable from the loss to Hatton.

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I would say Tszyu vs. Hatton. Most people remember two things about Tszyu KO'ing Judah and losing to Hatton.

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How do you come to that conclusion??

Hatton has proven himself as one of the all time great 140 pounders.

Judah on the other hand got demolished by tszyu and has since struggled at 147+

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Your fanboyism has blinded you yet again. I said nothing about Hatton NOT being great. I also said nothing about Judah not struggling at 147.
Read the topic again and reread what I posted.

Tszyu's legacy will always be inseperable from the loss to Hatton.[/quote]

And why exactly is that then??

Because kostya didnt want to win bad enough???
struggled to adapt to the british climate???
Hatton constantly cheated on the inside???
Tszyu perhaps had an extra incentive to get beat by ricky???

Ive heard all these reasons used for hatton beating the likes of urango, tszyu, castillo etc already.

nothing surprises me!

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How do you come to that conclusion??

Hatton has proven himself as one of the all time great 140 pounders.

Judah on the other hand got demolished by tszyu and has since struggled at 147+

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Your fanboyism has blinded you yet again. I said nothing about Hatton NOT being great. I also said nothing about Judah not struggling at 147.
Read the topic again and reread what I posted.

Tszyu's legacy will always be inseperable from the loss to Hatton.[/quote]

And why exactly is that then??

Because kostya didnt want to win bad enough???
struggled to adapt to the british climate???
Hatton constantly cheated on the inside???
Tszyu perhaps had an extra incentive to get beat by ricky???

Ive heard all these reasons used for hatton beating the likes of urango, tszyu, castillo etc already.

nothing surprises me!

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Seriously what are you on here about? Have you been drinking?
You sound like a whiny little kid right there. You a doing what a true fanboy does, go directly into defense mode, even when there is nothing to defend.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Your fanboyism has blinded you yet again. I said nothing about Hatton NOT being great. I also said nothing about Judah not struggling at 147.
Read the topic again and reread what I posted.

Tszyu's legacy will always be inseperable from the loss to Hatton.[/quote]

And why exactly is that then??

Because kostya didnt want to win bad enough???
struggled to adapt to the british climate???
Hatton constantly cheated on the inside???
Tszyu perhaps had an extra incentive to get beat by ricky???

Ive heard all these reasons used for hatton beating the likes of urango, tszyu, castillo etc already.

nothing surprises me!

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Seriously what are you on here about? Have you been drinking?
You sound like a whiny little kid right there. You a doing what a true fanboy does, go directly into defense mode, even when there is nothing to defend.

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Just someone sick and tired of endless hatton bashing.

I make no qualms about being a massive hatton fan and unlike the jonny come latelys was following ricky right from his intercontinental days though please dont accuse me of having blind faith...

My point was that it was no coincidence ricky struggled at 147 as the 2 times he was there he was up against 2 of his toughest opponents (tszyu apart)

Not trying to start an argument here am merely debating an interesting topic with a fellow knowlegable fight fan.

You claimed tszyu legacy was tarnished by getting beat by the best 140 pounder for a good 3 years now.

Im just interested to know why???

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Seriously what are you on here about? Have you been drinking?
You sound like a whiny little kid right there. You a doing what a true fanboy does, go directly into defense mode, even when there is nothing to defend.

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Just someone sick and tired of endless hatton bashing.

I make no qualms about being a massive hatton fan and unlike the jonny come latelys was following ricky right from his intercontinental days though please dont accuse me of having blind faith...

My point was that it was no coincidence ricky struggled at 147 as the 2 times he was there he was up against 2 of his toughest opponents (tszyu apart)

Not trying to start an argument here am merely debating an interesting topic with a fellow knowlegable fight fan.

You claimed tszyu legacy was tarnished by getting beat by the best 140 pounder for a good 3 years now.

Im just interested to know why???

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Well firstly I didn't bash Hatton. As mentioned before reread the topic and reread what I posted. Tszyu's legacy was tarnished by Hatton because that ended up being his defining moment in boxing history, he will be always remembered as losing to Hatton. It is in part the fault of Kostya himself, because instead of getting back up and continuing his career he hung up the gloves. There were plenty of other 140 lbers he could have beat, but he instead chose to end his career.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Just someone sick and tired of endless hatton bashing.

I make no qualms about being a massive hatton fan and unlike the jonny come latelys was following ricky right from his intercontinental days though please dont accuse me of having blind faith...

My point was that it was no coincidence ricky struggled at 147 as the 2 times he was there he was up against 2 of his toughest opponents (tszyu apart)

Not trying to start an argument here am merely debating an interesting topic with a fellow knowlegable fight fan.

You claimed tszyu legacy was tarnished by getting beat by the best 140 pounder for a good 3 years now.

Im just interested to know why???

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Well firstly I didn't bash Hatton. As mentioned before reread the topic and reread what I posted. Tszyu's legacy was tarnished by Hatton because that ended up being his defining moment in boxing history, he will be always remembered as losing to Hatton. It is in part the fault of Kostya himself, because instead of getting back up and continuing his career he hung up the gloves. There were plenty of other 140 lbers he could have beat, but he instead chose to end his career.

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aah right

well then i retract my previous statement

took the title of the thread and your original statement and put two and two together!!


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Jones loss to Tarver and Johnson labelled him as glass jawed.

Not just the KO to Tarver. The KO Johnson put on him was even more brutal. I think it's the back to back KO's that give Jones the label of glass chin.

Also, with Wlad, it's not just Corrie Sanders. He does have 3 KO's on his record. Some people make excuses for him about his conditioning, and that might account for the Purrity fight, but he has two legit KO's and a number of knockdowns that indicate he isn't exactly Wayne McCullough.

Felix Sturm's "Loss" to ODLH as well.