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05-27-2008, 07:51 PM
killersheep

Top of division

Who do you think is the champ of each division?

here's my list

200+: Wladimir Klitschko
200: David Haye
175: Joe Calzaghe
168: Mikkel Kessler
160: Kelly Pavlik
154: Vernon Forrest
147: Miguel Cotto
140: Ricky Hatton
135: Nate Campbell
130: Manny Pacquiao
126: Jorge Linares
122: Israel Vazquez
118: Hozumi Hasegawa
115: Cristian Mijares
112: Takefumi Sakata
108: Ulises Solis
105: Yutaka Niida

That should get some arguments going.

I should clarify. If you were to hand out fresh titles to whomever you
thought was the man in each division who would it be?

total
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200+: Wladimir Klitschko - 7 votes
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200: David Haye - 4 votes
Firat Arlsan - 1 vote
Jean Marc Mormeck - 1 vote
Steve Cunningham - 1 vote
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175: Joe Calzaghe - 6 votes
Bernard Hopkins - 1 vote
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168: Mikkel Kessler - 2 votes
Lucien Bute - 2 votes
Joe Calzaghe - 3 votes
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160: Kelly Pavlik - 7 votes
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154: Oscar de la Hoya - 2 votes
Vernon Forrest - 4 votes
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147: Floyd Mayweather Jr. - 5 votes
Miguel Cotto - 2 votes
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140: Ricky Hatton - 7 votes
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135: Nate Campbell - 3 votes
Juan Diaz - 1 vote
Joel Casamayor - 2 votes
David Diaz - 1 vote
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130: Manny Pacqiuao - 6 votes
Juan Manuel Marquez - 1 vote
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126: Jorge Linares - 5 votes
Chris John - 2 votes
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122: Israel Vazquez - 5 votes
Daniel Ponce de Leon - 1 vote
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118: Hozumi Hasegawa - 5 votes
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115: Cristian Mijares - 5 votes
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112: Takefumi Sakata - 4 votes
Nonito Donaire - 2 votes
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108: Ulises Solis - 2 votes
Ivan Calderon - 3 votes
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105: Yutaka Niida - 5 votes
05-27-2008, 08:04 PM
Phil

Re: Top of division

heavy - Wlad
Cruiser - not including Haye as he's gone Heavy, tough one maybe
Mormeck
Light Heavy - Hopkins
S Middle - Calzaghe
Middle - Pavlik
L Middle - Forrest
Welter - Floyd
L welter - Hatton
Lightweigh - Casamayor
S feather - Pac
Feather - Chris John
Super Bantam - Ponce de Leon!
05-27-2008, 08:05 PM
leftylee

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by killersheep

Who do you think is the champ of each division?

here's my list

200+: Wladimir Klitschko
200: David Haye
175: Joe Calzaghe
168: Mikkel Kessler
160: Kelly Pavlik
154: Vernon Forrest
147: Miguel Cotto
140: Ricky Hatton
135: Nate Campbell
130: Manny Pacquiao
126: Jorge Linares
122: Israel Vazquez
118: Hozumi Hasegawa
115: Cristian Mijares
112: Takefumi Sakata
108: Ulises Solis
105: Yutaka Niida

That should get some arguments going.

I totally agree except Ivan Calderon should be in there definitely IMO.
05-27-2008, 08:06 PM
:::PSL:::

Re: Top of division

At 112, it should be Nonito Donaire.
05-27-2008, 08:08 PM
:::PSL:::

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil

heavy - Wlad
Cruiser - not including Haye as he's gone Heavy, tough one maybe
Mormeck
Light Heavy - Hopkins
S Middle - Calzaghe
Middle - Pavlik
L Middle - Forrest
Welter - Floyd
L welter - Hatton
Lightweigh - Casamayor
S feather - Pac
Feather - Chris John
Super Bantam - Ponce de Leon!

Feather should be Guerrero or Linares. But difinitely not CJ imo.
05-27-2008, 08:09 PM
killersheep

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by leftylee

Quote:

Originally Posted by killersheep

Who do you think is the champ of each division?

here's my list

200+: Wladimir Klitschko
200: David Haye
175: Joe Calzaghe
168: Mikkel Kessler
160: Kelly Pavlik
154: Vernon Forrest
147: Miguel Cotto
140: Ricky Hatton
135: Nate Campbell
130: Manny Pacquiao
126: Jorge Linares
122: Israel Vazquez
118: Hozumi Hasegawa
115: Cristian Mijares
112: Takefumi Sakata
108: Ulises Solis
105: Yutaka Niida

That should get some arguments going.

I totally agree except Ivan Calderon should be in there definitely IMO.

Solis has done more than Calderon at 108 IMO. I would say Calderon is closing in if he keeps up with his quality wins.
05-27-2008, 08:11 PM
killersheep

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

At 112, it should be Nonito Donaire.

I'm sticking with Sakata, I would love to see the two of them fight.
05-27-2008, 08:14 PM
Violent Demise

Re: Top of division

It should be Steve Cunningham at 200 (Haye has already left), Lucian Bute at 168 (Kessler coming off a loss), Floyd Mayweather at 147 and Joel Casamayor at 135. Everything else is fine
05-27-2008, 08:19 PM
Phil

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil

heavy - Wlad
Cruiser - not including Haye as he's gone Heavy, tough one maybe
Mormeck
Light Heavy - Hopkins
S Middle - Calzaghe
Middle - Pavlik
L Middle - Forrest
Welter - Floyd
L welter - Hatton
Lightweigh - Casamayor
S feather - Pac
Feather - Chris John
Super Bantam - Ponce de Leon!

Feather should be Guerrero or Linares. But difinitely not CJ imo.

to be honest I don't really know that much about Guerrero or Linares, both there records look fairly sound though, I hoping CJ wins his next fight though, hopefully he'll fight Valero then.
05-27-2008, 08:28 PM
killersheep

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil

heavy - Wlad
Cruiser - not including Haye as he's gone Heavy, tough one maybe
Mormeck
Light Heavy - Hopkins
S Middle - Calzaghe
Middle - Pavlik
L Middle - Forrest
Welter - Floyd
L welter - Hatton
Lightweigh - Casamayor
S feather - Pac
Feather - Chris John
Super Bantam - Ponce de Leon!

Feather should be Guerrero or Linares. But difinitely not CJ imo.

to be honest I don't really know that much about Guerrero or Linares, both there records look fairly sound though, I hoping CJ wins his next fight though, hopefully he'll fight Valero then.

Linares is awesome you should check him out on youtube he was landing 6 punch combos against Oscar Larios, simply amazing.
05-27-2008, 08:31 PM
Phil

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by killersheep

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Feather should be Guerrero or Linares. But difinitely not CJ imo.

to be honest I don't really know that much about Guerrero or Linares, both there records look fairly sound though, I hoping CJ wins his next fight though, hopefully he'll fight Valero then.

Linares is awesome you should check him out on youtube he was landing 6 punch combos against Oscar Larios, simply amazing.

cheers man, will do!
05-27-2008, 09:08 PM
CutMeMick

Re: Top of division

This is how I see it...

HW: Vacant
CW: Vacant
LHW: Joe
SMW: Joe
MW: Pavlik
LMW: Vacant
WW: PBF
LWW: Hatton
LW: Joel
SFW: Pac
FW: Vacant
SBW: Izzy
BW: Vacant
SFlyW: Vacant
FLYw: Vacant
LFW: Ivan
MinW: Vacant
05-27-2008, 09:10 PM
killersheep

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

This is how I see it...

HW: Vacant
CW: Vacant
LHW: Joe
SMW: Joe
MW: Pavlik
LMW: Vacant
WW: PBF
LWW: Hatton
LW: Joel
SFW: Pac
FW: Vacant
SBW: Izzy
BW: Vacant
SFlyW: Vacant
FLYw: Vacant
LFW: Ivan
MinW: Vacant

I didn't intend for this to be lineal ;)
Who's the man in each division in your opinion.
05-27-2008, 09:20 PM
Kev

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

It should be Steve Cunningham at 200 (Haye has already left), Lucian Bute at 168 (Kessler coming off a loss), Floyd Mayweather at 147 and Joel Casamayor at 135. Everything else is fine

By this logic then Hatton shouldn't be champ at 140.

Not disagreeing with you, I like your logic.
05-27-2008, 09:22 PM
ono

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

It should be Steve Cunningham at 200 (Haye has already left), Lucian Bute at 168 (Kessler coming off a loss), Floyd Mayweather at 147 and Joel Casamayor at 135. Everything else is fine

By this logic then Hatton shouldn't be champ at 140.

Not disagreeing with you, I like your logic.

Don't quite understand. Hatton lost at 147
05-27-2008, 10:16 PM
Kev

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by ono

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

It should be Steve Cunningham at 200 (Haye has already left), Lucian Bute at 168 (Kessler coming off a loss), Floyd Mayweather at 147 and Joel Casamayor at 135. Everything else is fine

By this logic then Hatton shouldn't be champ at 140.

Not disagreeing with you, I like your logic.

Don't quite understand. Hatton lost at 147

True, on reflection I would just leave 140 lbs vacant.

Maybe just remove the division altogether.
05-27-2008, 10:22 PM
Violent Demise

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by ono

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

It should be Steve Cunningham at 200 (Haye has already left), Lucian Bute at 168 (Kessler coming off a loss), Floyd Mayweather at 147 and Joel Casamayor at 135. Everything else is fine

By this logic then Hatton shouldn't be champ at 140.

Not disagreeing with you, I like your logic.

Don't quite understand. Hatton lost at 147

That explains that
05-28-2008, 01:06 AM
ElTerribleMorales

Re: Top of division

200+: Wladimir Klitschko
200: David Haye
175: Joe Calzaghe
168: Joe Calzaghe (seeing how he hasn't decided if he's gonna stay at 175)
160: Kelly Pavlik
154: Vernon Forrest
147: Floyd Mayweather Jr.
140: Ricky Hatton (barely)
135: Nate Campbell/Joel Casamayor
130: Manny Pacquiao
126: Jorge Linares
122: Israel Vazquez
118: Hozumi Hasegawa
115: Cristian Mijares
112: Takefumi Sakata
108: Ivan Calderon
105: Yutaka Niida
05-28-2008, 02:40 AM
Put Em' Up

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by killersheep

Who do you think is the champ of each division?

here's my list

200+: Wladimir Klitschko
200: David Haye
175: Joe Calzaghe
168: Mikkel Kessler
160: Kelly Pavlik
154: Vernon Forrest
147: Miguel Cotto
140: Ricky Hatton
135: Nate Campbell
130: Manny Pacquiao
126: Jorge Linares
122: Israel Vazquez
118: Hozumi Hasegawa
115: Cristian Mijares
112: Takefumi Sakata
108: Ulises Solis
105: Yutaka Niida

That should get some arguments going.

I should clarify. If you were to hand out fresh titles to whomever you
thought was the man in each division who would it be?

A pretty sound list except at 112 Nonito Donaire rightfully gets the nod because of the old addage "To be the man you have to beat the man" and he beat the man.

It is a toss up between Solis and Calderon at 108. Other then that a good list
05-28-2008, 05:32 PM
killersheep

Re: Top of division

I think we should start the Saddo Belt. Lineal champs, start by giving a boxer the belt and then they would have to lose it in the ring, vacate or retire. Just like the Ring's titles, but we could pick where it starts.

Anyone interested?
05-28-2008, 07:31 PM
Phil

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by killersheep

I think we should start the Saddo Belt. Lineal champs, start by giving a boxer the belt and then they would have to lose it in the ring, vacate or retire. Just like the Ring's titles, but we could pick where it starts.

Anyone interested?

that sounds like a great idea! Be a great addition to the site!
05-28-2008, 07:36 PM
killersheep

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil

Quote:

Originally Posted by killersheep

I think we should start the Saddo Belt. Lineal champs, start by giving a boxer the belt and then they would have to lose it in the ring, vacate or retire. Just like the Ring's titles, but we could pick where it starts.

Anyone interested?

that sounds like a great idea! Be a great addition to the site!

Ok here's the rules. A fighter needs to get 15 votes to become champ.

Let's start with the Heavyweights

I vote for Wlad

total
-------------------------------
200+: Wladimir Klitschko - 7 votes
-------------------------------
200: David Haye - 4 votes
Firat Arlsan - 1 vote
Jean Marc Mormeck - 1 vote
Steve Cunningham - 1 vote
-------------------------------
175: Joe Calzaghe - 6 votes
Bernard Hopkins - 1 vote
-------------------------------
168: Mikkel Kessler - 2 votes
Lucien Bute - 2 votes
Joe Calzaghe - 3 votes
-------------------------------
160: Kelly Pavlik - 7 votes
-------------------------------
154: Oscar de la Hoya - 2 votes
Vernon Forrest - 4 votes
-------------------------------
147: Floyd Mayweather Jr. - 5 votes
Miguel Cotto - 2 votes
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140: Ricky Hatton - 7 votes
-------------------------------
135: Nate Campbell - 3 votes
Juan Diaz - 1 vote
Joel Casamayor - 2 votes
David Diaz - 1 vote
-------------------------------
130: Manny Pacqiuao - 6 votes
Juan Manuel Marquez - 1 vote
-------------------------------
126: Jorge Linares - 5 votes
Chris John - 2 votes
-------------------------------
122: Israel Vazquez - 5 votes
Daniel Ponce de Leon - 1 vote
-------------------------------
118: Hozumi Hasegawa - 5 votes
-------------------------------
115: Cristian Mijares - 5 votes
-------------------------------
112: Takefumi Sakata - 4 votes
Nonito Donaire - 2 votes
-------------------------------
108: Ulises Solis - 2 votes
Ivan Calderon - 3 votes
-------------------------------
105: Yutaka Niida - 5 votes
05-28-2008, 07:55 PM
Kev

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by killersheep

I think we should start the Saddo Belt. Lineal champs, start by giving a boxer the belt and then they would have to lose it in the ring, vacate or retire. Just like the Ring's titles, but we could pick where it starts.

Anyone interested?

I think it would be too similar to the Ring rankings.

I'd like a Hit List and Shit List with the current top 10 p4p most popular fighters and the current top 10 p4p most hated and detested. The criteria for popularity would be, whose most talked about, who has the most exciting fight options etc.

For hated it can be about those who have outstayed their welcome in the sport, whose fighting style is dull and not conducive to excitement and to those who contribute nothing good to the sport other than the prospect of them suffering catastrophic knockouts.

I'll start with my own non biased lists.

Hit List

1. Calzaghe
2. Floyd
3. Manny
4. Cotto
5. Pavlik
6. Khan
7. Margarito
8. Froch
9. Molitor
10.Vazquez

Shit List

1. Hatton.
2. Anthony Small
3. David Haye
4. De La Hoya
5. Mijares
6. Sturm
7. Malignaggi
8. Clottey
9. Katsidis
10.Cintron
05-28-2008, 07:58 PM
killersheep

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Quote:

Originally Posted by killersheep

I think we should start the Saddo Belt. Lineal champs, start by giving a boxer the belt and then they would have to lose it in the ring, vacate or retire. Just like the Ring's titles, but we could pick where it starts.

Anyone interested?

I think it would be too similar to the Ring rankings.

I'd like a Hit List and Shit List with the current top 10 p4p most popular fighters and the current top 10 p4p most hated and detested. The criteria for popularity would be, whose most talked about, who has the most exciting fight options etc.

For hated it can be about those who have outstayed their welcome in the sport, whose fighting style is dull and not conducive to excitement and to those who contribute nothing good to the sport other than the prospect of them suffering catastrophic knockouts.

I'll start with my own non biased lists.

Hit List

1. Calzaghe
2. Floyd
3. Manny
4. Cotto
5. Pavlik
6. Khan
7. Margarito
8. Froch
9. Molitor
10.Vazquez

Shit List

1. Hatton.
2. Anthony Small
3. David Haye
4. De La Hoya
5. Mijares
6. Sturm
7. Malignaggi
8. Clottey
9. Katsidis
10.Cintron

Over half the divisions according to the Ring are vacant.
05-28-2008, 08:04 PM
Kev

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by killersheep

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Quote:

Originally Posted by killersheep

I think we should start the Saddo Belt. Lineal champs, start by giving a boxer the belt and then they would have to lose it in the ring, vacate or retire. Just like the Ring's titles, but we could pick where it starts.

Anyone interested?

I think it would be too similar to the Ring rankings.

I'd like a Hit List and Shit List with the current top 10 p4p most popular fighters and the current top 10 p4p most hated and detested. The criteria for popularity would be, whose most talked about, who has the most exciting fight options etc.

For hated it can be about those who have outstayed their welcome in the sport, whose fighting style is dull and not conducive to excitement and to those who contribute nothing good to the sport other than the prospect of them suffering catastrophic knockouts.

I'll start with my own non biased lists.

Hit List

1. Calzaghe
2. Floyd
3. Manny
4. Cotto
5. Pavlik
6. Khan
7. Margarito
8. Froch
9. Molitor
10.Vazquez

Shit List

1. Hatton.
2. Anthony Small
3. David Haye
4. De La Hoya
5. Mijares
6. Sturm
7. Malignaggi
8. Clottey
9. Katsidis
10.Cintron

Over half the divisions according to the Ring are vacant.

I'm guessing the same would be true for our own rankings. And the actual top ranked guy would still be the same in virtually all cases.

I just want to wanted the opportunity to post my shit list really.
05-28-2008, 08:04 PM
HattonTheHammer

Re: Top of division

200+ Wlad Klitschko (ukr)
200 Firat Arslan (ger)
175 Joe Calzaghe (gb)
168 Lucian Bute (rom)
160 Kelly Pavlik (usa)
154 Oscar De la Hoya (usa)
147 Floyd Mayweather (usa)
140 Ricky Hatton (gb)
135 Juan Diaz (mex)
130 Juan Manuel Marquez (mex)
126 Jorge Linares (ven)
122 Israel Vazquez (mex)
05-28-2008, 08:34 PM
killersheep

Re: Top of division

updated with votes from

Killersheep
Violent Demise
Hattonthehammer
Leftylee
ElTerribleMorales
05-29-2008, 12:08 AM
:::PSL:::

Re: Top of division

I'm with the Ringy-ding-ding.
05-29-2008, 02:55 AM
WEILAND

Re: Top of division

200+: Wladimir Klitschko (I just don't like this guy)
200: David Haye
175: Joe Calzaghe
168: Joe Calzaghe
160: Kelly Pavlik
154: Oscar De La Hoya
147: Floyd Mayweather Jr.
140: Ricky Hatton
135: David Diaz
130: Manny Pacquiao
126: Jorge Linares
122: Israel Vazquez
118: Hozumi Hasegawa
115: Cristian Mijares
112: Takefumi Sakata
108: Ivan Calderon
105: Yutaka Niida
05-29-2008, 09:18 AM
Mikkel_K

Re: Top of division

200+: Wladimir Klitschko
200: David Haye
175: Joe Calzaghe
168: Joe Calzaghe
160: Kelly Pavlik
154: Vacant
147: Floyd Mayweather Jr.
140: Ricky Hatton
135: Nate Campbell
130: Manny Pacquiao
126: Chris John
122: Israel Vazquez
118: Hozumi Hasegawa
115: Cristian Mijares
112: Nonito Donaire
108: Ivan Calderon
105: Yutaka Niida
05-29-2008, 01:43 PM
killersheep

Re: Top of division

Quote:

Originally Posted by WEILAND

200+: Wladimir Klitschko (I just don't like this guy)
200: David Haye
175: Joe Calzaghe
168: Joe Calzaghe
160: Kelly Pavlik
154: Oscar De La Hoya
147: Floyd Mayweather Jr.
140: Ricky Hatton
135: David Diaz
130: Manny Pacquiao
126: Jorge Linares
122: Israel Vazquez
118: Hozumi Hasegawa
115: Cristian Mijares
112: Takefumi Sakata
108: Ivan Calderon
105: Yutaka Niida

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikkel_K

200+: Wladimir Klitschko
200: David Haye
175: Joe Calzaghe
168: Joe Calzaghe
160: Kelly Pavlik
154: Vacant
147: Floyd Mayweather Jr.
140: Ricky Hatton
135: Nate Campbell
130: Manny Pacquiao
126: Chris John
122: Israel Vazquez
118: Hozumi Hasegawa
115: Cristian Mijares
112: Nonito Donaire
108: Ivan Calderon
105: Yutaka Niida

Thanks for voting guys

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