Taylor vs Lacy this fall?!!!

This was just posted in Dan Rafael's chat. He's says there is more info in his notebook that will get posted later. I'll get more info then.


Chris (Kalamazoo, MI): What's up with Jermain Taylor? Anything serious in the works or is he letting his face, ego, and pride heal after the two loses to Kelly?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Dan Rafael: (12:23 PM ET ) Here's a small preview of today's notebook: There are talks between DiBella and Golden Boy going on for a fall fight between Jermain and Jeff Lacy, his former Olympic teammate.

Interesting choice! Good work as every Diane. Keep us posted!

I'd take Taylor over Lacy anyday of the week. Lacy will make Taylor look damn good.

I think it is a wise choice for his first bout into the division. A fighter he knows he can outbox but then again will test his chin. At least he is not fighting Peter Manfredo who seems to be everyones whipping boy.

Hopefully this fight happens. I'd pick Taylor.

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I'd take Taylor over Lacy anyday of the week. Lacy will make Taylor look damn good.

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yeah should be the outcome alright, but I always feel we haven't seen Lacy near his best, there was alot expected of him and the Calzaghe fight came way to soon. If he could get his confidence back I could see him causing Taylor a few problems, most likely Taylor ud though.

Lacy has looked terrible since the Calzaghe beating.Taylor out boxes him for a UD.

LAcy was hurt by Manfredo, so i'm guessing he'll get stopped by Taylor. It seems that Calzaghe took all of Lacy's will and mojo.

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I'd take Taylor over Lacy anyday of the week. Lacy will make Taylor look damn good.

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yeah should be the outcome alright, but I always feel we haven't seen Lacy near his best, there was alot expected of him and the Calzaghe fight came way to soon. If he could get his confidence back I could see him causing Taylor a few problems, most likely Taylor ud though.

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What I want to see from Taylor is that beautiful active jab he has, haven't seen it much in his recent fights, if he does that it should be a relatively easy night for him.

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I think it is a wise choice for his first bout into the division. A fighter he knows he can outbox but then again will test his chin. At least he is not fighting Peter Manfredo who seems to be everyones whipping boy.

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Manfredo thrashing never get old.

Okay here is the rest of the scoop, plus plenty of other boxing info.

ESPN - Notebook: Williams seeking redemption - Boxing


• The opponents discussed for former middleweight champ Jermain Taylor's fall fight have ranged from Felix Trinidad to Ricardo Mayorga to Brian Vera of "The Contender." Now add ex-super middleweight titlist Jeff Lacy -- Taylor's 2000 U.S. Olympic teammate -- to the mix. "We've made them an offer," Taylor promoter Lou DiBella told ESPN.com. "They have not accepted yet, so we'll see." Golden Boy's David Itskowitch added, "We're negotiating the fight. Lou made an offer, and we're fine-tuning it, but it's a fight we're interested in." Whether it happens or not, Lacy plans to fight in July. Golden Boy is talking to ESPN2 about a date.

Oh man I do not know how I feel about this. Lacy is my favorite fighter, been a fan for a long time and I always wanted these two to meet when they were champions but I'm not sure now. Problem is I like both guys I fear the loser would just be completely written off.

Well Lacy needs the win more obviously. I just worry about how sluggish he looked against Manfredo. He's never looked like that ever. Obviously if he comes out looking like that again then he's got no chance or at least you would think. But if he could get some of that quickness back, put punches together and effectively pressure Taylor then I would give him a good shot at winning.

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LAcy was hurt by Manfredo, so i'm guessing he'll get stopped by Taylor. It seems that Calzaghe took all of Lacy's will and mojo.

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I'm calling major Bullshitsky on that one:rolleyes:

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Oh man I do not know how I feel about this. Lacy is my favorite fighter, been a fan for a long time and I always wanted these two to meet when they were champions but I'm not sure now. Problem is I like both guys I fear the loser would just be completely written off.

Well Lacy needs the win more obviously. I just worry about how sluggish he looked against Manfredo. He's never looked like that ever. Obviously if he comes out looking like that again then he's got no chance or at least you would think. But if he could get some of that quickness back, put punches together and effectively pressure Taylor then I would give him a good shot at winning.

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Amat we are the only true blue Lacy fans that still back him and all I can say is NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lacy needs a good tune up fight to follow up the challenging fight with Manfredo, for the above reasons you already mentioned. Loss of Quickness and sluggishness... I am willing to right that off to ring rust inactivity and mentally held back from pushing his injured shoulder. But I dont want to be wrong and have him get taken apart by Taylor

My heart is sunk with the thought of this fight:-\

Well I would love that too but as it stands right now, the loss to Calzaghe was 2 years ago on March 4 I believe. So far he's been in the ring twice. I would love a tune up fight or two against bums but he's not getting that for some reason. Don't know who's fault is. Maybe Golden Boy because they have no small shows, just HBO shows basically. But that's been the case so if this gets made, a Tarver fight, or any other fight against a good opponent you have to just trust that he works that rust off in camp :-\

He's not a bad fighter, I'm a fan of his style but he has skills he was a top amateur. He's not some unskilled brawler, I'm not sure the talent gap between Taylor and Lacy is nearly as big as people think. It's an interesting fight but like you I'm not sure how much I want it made. To think that if Judah's dumb ass didn't go through glass we wouldn't even have to be talking about this.

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LAcy was hurt by Manfredo, so i'm guessing he'll get stopped by Taylor. It seems that Calzaghe took all of Lacy's will and mojo.

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I'm calling major Bullshitsky on that one:rolleyes:

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Well...it sure looked that way to me. Lacy made Manfredo look like a world beater and almost lost. He looked terrible. Did you even see the fight?

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LAcy was hurt by Manfredo, so i'm guessing he'll get stopped by Taylor. It seems that Calzaghe took all of Lacy's will and mojo.

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I'm calling major Bullshitsky on that one:rolleyes:

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Well...it sure looked that way to me. Lacy made Manfredo look like a world beater and almost lost. He looked terrible. Did you even see the fight?

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How did he make Manfredo look like a world beater and still win while managing to look like shit? He did look bad I admit but Manfredo sucks and only won a few rounds because Lacy was lacking. Manfredo definitely did not look a world beater lol

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I'm calling major Bullshitsky on that one:rolleyes:

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Well...it sure looked that way to me. Lacy made Manfredo look like a world beater and almost lost. He looked terrible. Did you even see the fight?

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How did he make Manfredo look like a world beater and still win while managing to look like shit? He did look bad I admit but Manfredo sucks and only won a few rounds because Lacy was lacking. Manfredo definitely did not look a world beater lol

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Are you serious!? He almost lost the decision. And he did make Manfredo look good because he's shot.

So you're telling me you left that fight saying Manfredo looked good? That's all I'm saying. If Lacy was shot, and Manfredo got knocked down and still clearly lost, how does he look good?

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Well I would love that too but as it stands right now, the loss to Calzaghe was 2 years ago on March 4 I believe. So far he's been in the ring twice. I would love a tune up fight or two against bums but he's not getting that for some reason. Don't know who's fault is. Maybe Golden Boy because they have no small shows, just HBO shows basically. But that's been the case so if this gets made, a Tarver fight, or any other fight against a good opponent you have to just trust that he works that rust off in camp :-\

He's not a bad fighter, I'm a fan of his style but he has skills he was a top amateur. He's not some unskilled brawler, I'm not sure the talent gap between Taylor and Lacy is nearly as big as people think. It's an interesting fight but like you I'm not sure how much I want it made. To think that if Judah's dumb ass didn't go through glass we wouldn't even have to be talking about this.

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I agree, he has plenty of skill, and there is no huge gap, except for inactivity.. Jeff has Winky to spar and work with whenever he wants, and I like to think He's been in the gym training this whole time..

I liked Jeff working that right hand early on against Tyspko and he also put Manfredo down with it and it wasnt even a flush shot, not to mention Petey has never been floored, so Jeff has plenty of pop, he just wasnt putting punches together against Manfredo.. It looked like he picked up with round 13 of the Calzaghe fight were he was slow off balance and slow to pull the trigger, he would load up with a hook and then step in and do nothing.. Scary, scary!!! Usually Jeff is like a relenless pitbull, full of energy and strength.. against Manfredo he was flat out of the gate

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So you're telling me you left that fight saying Manfredo looked good? That's all I'm saying. If Lacy was shot, and Manfredo got knocked down and still clearly lost, how does he look good?

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Hey buddy,take a breath and quit taking things so literally. I never said that Manfredo looked good, I said that Lacy made Manfredo look good and like a world beater. It was a figure of speech. I will say this though, if MAnfredo would have fought LAcy before Calzaghe did...he would have been brutally destroyed.

My bottom line with Lacy is that I think Calzaghe beat the fire out of him. I can respect the fact that he fought on against Tsypko (sp.?) with a torn rotator cuff, but he looked sluggish from the opening bell. He didn't look impressive at all against Manfredo either, he clearly won IMO, but did nothing for me to think he could be a title contender anymore. The thing with Lacy was his power...will his injury ever be fully healed? Well maybe, maybe not it sure would spell trouble for his future in boxing.
There are a lot of fundamental flaws in Lacy's movement as well, I wouldn't give him a chance in hell against Kessler, Bute or even Andrade at this point. I really need to see something more from him.

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So you're telling me you left that fight saying Manfredo looked good? That's all I'm saying. If Lacy was shot, and Manfredo got knocked down and still clearly lost, how does he look good?

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Hey buddy,take a breath and quit taking things so literally. I never said that Manfredo looked good, I said that Lacy made Manfredo look good and like a world beater. It was a figure of speech. I will say this though, if MAnfredo would have fought LAcy before Calzaghe did...he would have been brutally destroyed.

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Sure thing Pal :highfive:

For some reason I thought you were a Manfredo fan in that first post saying he was a world beater, took it a bit to literally like you said.

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LAcy was hurt by Manfredo, so i'm guessing he'll get stopped by Taylor. It seems that Calzaghe took all of Lacy's will and mojo.

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I'm calling major Bullshitsky on that one:rolleyes:

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Well...it sure looked that way to me. Lacy made Manfredo look like a world beater and almost lost. He looked terrible. Did you even see the fight?

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Yea smartass I have seen ALL of Lacys fights the last 4 years I saw Manfredo get put on his ass and then fighting a pussy fight the rest of the way... It takes 2 to make a fight, Manfredo fought scared the remainder of the fight.. FACT

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So you're telling me you left that fight saying Manfredo looked good? That's all I'm saying. If Lacy was shot, and Manfredo got knocked down and still clearly lost, how does he look good?

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Hey buddy,take a breath and quit taking things so literally. I never said that Manfredo looked good, I said that Lacy made Manfredo look good and like a world beater. It was a figure of speech. I will say this though, if MAnfredo would have fought LAcy before Calzaghe did...he would have been brutally destroyed.

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Sure thing Pal :highfive:

For some reason I thought you were a Manfredo fan in that first post saying he was a world beater, took it a bit to literally like you said.

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LOL!! It's cool man, never thought much of Manfredo either. CAn you imagine what Lacy would have done to him pre- Calzaghe?

Tarver by UD in what shouldn't be much of a fight

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I'm calling major Bullshitsky on that one:rolleyes:

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Well...it sure looked that way to me. Lacy made Manfredo look like a world beater and almost lost. He looked terrible. Did you even see the fight?

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Yea smartass I have seen ALL of Lacys fights the last 4 years FACT

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Well get some new glasses then...shit talker.

I'm pulling for Lacy in this. Not a big fan of Tarver

Some of you guys are saying Taylor, some are saying Tarver.

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Some of you guys are saying Taylor, some are saying Tarver.

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I just noticed that. I remember Tarver-Lacy was discussed. For some reason I think that's what they were talking about. Anyway I think Taylor beats Lacy

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Well...it sure looked that way to me. Lacy made Manfredo look like a world beater and almost lost. He looked terrible. Did you even see the fight?

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Yea smartass I have seen ALL of Lacys fights the last 4 years FACT

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Well get some new glasses then...shit talker.

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Its funny I remember a time on here when Lacy was a prohibitive favorite in this fight when it was being discussed.

I guess you have to pick Taylor now based on their last fights

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Its funny I remember a time on here when Lacy was a prohibitive favorite in this fight when it was being discussed.

I guess you have to pick Taylor now based on their last fights

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I thought taylor actually looked worse fighting kelly 2nd time around despite the fact he actually went 12 this time.

jermain was well in the fight until he got KO`ed 1st time around, the second fight he was far more weary of that pavlik straight right and kelly was always going to get the decision.

If these 2 ever fight it`ll be a complete 50/50 - all about what jeff lacy turns up that night!!

Talking more about how bad Lacy looked against Manfredo really. Jermain was better than I thought he was gonna be the second time out. Some people thought he won, not that I did.