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Anyone Else Think David Diaz May Beat Pac
Many of Diaz's performances have been less than spectacular, sometimes barely winning, but he is a solid lightweight and strong. He fought most of his career at Lt. Welterweight and even though hes not a huge puncher, hes a good one. I cant see Pac backing him up or badly hurting him. I think Pac doesnt have the advantages he is used to because he probably wont be the stronger guy and Diaz is also a southpaw so no advantage there for either. Stylistically could be interesting and look out for headbutts in this one as Diaz often leans foward and neither guy has fought another southpaw lately. Could be an ugly fight, but I think Diaz may outhustle him.
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Diaz is a very limited fighter. He BARELY beat a completely shot Erik Morales. I actually scored the fight as a narrow win for Erik.
So, if Pacquiao is in shape and focused, then he should be able to easily beat Diaz. However, the big question is... will Pacquiao be in-shape and focused? We all know that Manny has had questionable habits from time to time. He's coming off a huge fight against a great opponent (Marquez), so it'd be human nature for him to take Diaz lightly. Also, whenever a fighter moves up in weight, I think there's always a tendency for them to get lazy in training, because they know they don't have to keep their weight in control as much as they normally do. Pacquiao has a 5 pound cushion this time that he hasn't had before. If Pacquiao looks past Diaz, then there's always a chance of an upset, because any fighter can be beat if they're not focused.
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SweetPea
Diaz is a very limited fighter. He BARELY beat a completely shot Erik Morales. I actually scored the fight as a narrow win for Erik.
So, if Pacquiao is in shape and focused, then he should be able to easily beat Diaz. However, the big question is... will Pacquiao be in-shape and focused? We all know that Manny has had questionable habits from time to time. He's coming off a huge fight against a great opponent (Marquez), so it'd be human nature for him to take Diaz lightly. Also, whenever a fighter moves up in weight, I think there's always a tendency for them to get lazy in training, because they know they don't have to keep their weight in control as much as they normally do. Pacquiao has a 5 pound cushion this time that he hasn't had before. If Pacquiao looks past Diaz, then there's always a chance of an upset, because any fighter can be beat if they're not focused.
Gotta agree with your first line. Diaz struggled and shoulda/coulda lost to shot Morales. If pac is 80%+ he'll easy get passed Diaz.
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David Diaz' greatest strength is that he is never really out of a fight. He keeps the same pace throughout the entire fight and that has been able to win him a couple fights against a faded Morales and against Jose Santa Cruz who has stamina issues. There's always the Carlos Baldomir effect where if you let a fighter hang around who has a very consistent pace, you let them hang around and as you begin to come back down to earth a bit, they just stick around and never really get worse for wear so in that sense David Diaz always has a chance.
However, Pac isn't just on a different level, he's in a different stratosphere as far as talent goes. Diaz is just very limited, has nothing that jumps out at you and Pac should be able to handle him with ease, unless Pac has a major let down I really don't think this is much of a fight.
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I don't think he will beat Pac but his ability (willingness) to endure a beating will give him a slight chance of landing a suprise.....But I expect Pac to box and carry weight well,Rake him with the left & really break up Diaz bad. As limited as Diaz is....He does not lack heart & desire.He'll need every last ounce of it.
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Originally Posted by
SweetPea
Diaz is a very limited fighter. He BARELY beat a completely shot Erik Morales. I actually scored the fight as a narrow win for Erik.
So, if Pacquiao is in shape and focused, then he should be able to easily beat Diaz. However, the big question is... will Pacquiao be in-shape and focused? We all know that Manny has had questionable habits from time to time. He's coming off a huge fight against a great opponent (Marquez), so it'd be human nature for him to take Diaz lightly. Also, whenever a fighter moves up in weight, I think there's always a tendency for them to get lazy in training, because they know they don't have to keep their weight in control as much as they normally do. Pacquiao has a 5 pound cushion this time that he hasn't had before. If Pacquiao looks past Diaz, then there's always a chance of an upset, because any fighter can be beat if they're not focused.
I also had Erik winning or a draw, Santa Cruz was beating him handily to befor being stoped. Pac is a different style fighter though and I think Diazs gritty way of fighting could throw Pac off. As amat said Diaz is always in the fight and hes always dangerous. I think that at this weight the questions are with Pacman, we know Diaz can be sucessful at Lightweight. Diaz isnt going to just hand over his title. He may be the least talented of the Diazs but he comes to win and can surprise anyone if hes taken lightly at all.
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I do.
Diaz is a very dangerous fighter especially in high profile fights. I wish I had the article I read about him the other day and share it here. He's one of those guys who performs better when critics were doubting him. Pac used to be that kind of a fighter, and that's what I'm worrying about. Diaz is the underdog, but 10-1 odds is rediculous imo.
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I think that's a ploy to notch this as a great victory for Pac myself. 10-1 odds isn't ridiculous at all imo. I think this is a mismatch on the same level as Cotto-Gomez.
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Pacstraightleft
I do.
Diaz is a very dangerous fighter especially in high profile fights. I wish I had the article I read about him the other day and share it here. He's one of those guys who performs better when critics were doubting him. Pac used to be that kind of a fighter, and that's what I'm worrying about. Diaz is the underdog, but 10-1 odds is rediculous imo.
I noticed that too. Which is why I want Diaz to win. I put $100 on him. Couldn't pass up those odds
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Maybe not ....
but...
what concerns me is they might be underestimating him. I think Diaz carries a legitimate 135lb power; I saw him really hurt Erik couple of times. It's just that he's a lousy boxer, technical speaking.
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Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Pacstraightleft
I do.
Diaz is a very dangerous fighter especially in high profile fights. I wish I had the article I read about him the other day and share it here. He's one of those guys who performs better when critics were doubting him. Pac used to be that kind of a fighter, and that's what I'm worrying about. Diaz is the underdog, but 10-1 odds is rediculous imo.
I noticed that too. Which is why I want Diaz to win. I put $100 on him. Couldn't pass up those odds
I'm gonna see what the UK odds are, if there anything like that then am off to the bookies.
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i'm not to sure, haven't seen much of him.
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Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Pacstraightleft
I do.
Diaz is a very dangerous fighter especially in high profile fights. I wish I had the article I read about him the other day and share it here. He's one of those guys who performs better when critics were doubting him. Pac used to be that kind of a fighter, and that's what I'm worrying about. Diaz is the underdog, but 10-1 odds is rediculous imo.
I noticed that too. Which is why I want Diaz to win. I put $100 on him. Couldn't pass up those odds
Where did you get/see 10/1? Thoses odds are not just ridiculous but MUST be bullshit.
I can't even find 3/1!!!
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I don't think he will beat Pac but his ability (willingness) to endure a beating will give him a slight chance of landing a suprise.....But I expect Pac to box and carry weight well,Rake him with the left & really break up Diaz bad. As limited as Diaz is....He does not lack heart & desire.He'll need every last ounce of it.
Hello buddy. So you're not going against my boy now? hehehe
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Anyway, PAc should not underestimate Diaz. He is not a champion for nothing.:cool:
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ds91
i'm not to sure, haven't seen much of him.
Man that sig is fuckin awesome ;)
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Fenster
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Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Pacstraightleft
I do.
Diaz is a very dangerous fighter especially in high profile fights. I wish I had the article I read about him the other day and share it here. He's one of those guys who performs better when critics were doubting him. Pac used to be that kind of a fighter, and that's what I'm worrying about. Diaz is the underdog, but 10-1 odds is rediculous imo.
I noticed that too. Which is why I want Diaz to win. I put $100 on him. Couldn't pass up those odds
Where did you get/see 10/1? Thoses odds are not just ridiculous but MUST be bullshit.
I can't even find
3/1!!!
No way is diaz 10/1
3/1 is just about believeable, the only bookies offering 10/1 for diaz would literally have to be printing their own money!!
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Diaz won't win, the fight is a total mismatch.
I can't get hyped about this fight, because it's a fight the Pac promotional team WANTS us to get hyped about. Morales already beat the guy, heheh. That's why, he's damaged good in El Terrible's eyes.
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hattonthehammer
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Fenster
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Violent Demise
I noticed that too. Which is why I want Diaz to win. I put $100 on him. Couldn't pass up those odds
Where did you get/see 10/1? Thoses odds are not just ridiculous but MUST be bullshit.
I can't even find
3/1!!!
No way is diaz 10/1
3/1 is just about believeable, the only bookies offering 10/1 for diaz would literally have to be printing their own money!!
2-1 or 10-8 is just about right. That's what Vegas currently have right now. 10-1 is more like bullshit news propaganda.
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I remember when Jorge Solis was only 3-1 underdog - days before his fight against Pac. But it became 10-1 after the weigh-in.
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Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Where did you get/see 10/1? Thoses odds are not just ridiculous but MUST be bullshit.
I can't even find 3/1!!!
No way is diaz 10/1
3/1 is just about believeable, the only bookies offering 10/1 for diaz would literally have to be printing their own money!!
2-1 or 10-8 is just about right. That's what Vegas currently have right now. 10-1 is more like bullshit news propaganda.
Nah, it must be true, VD has $100 on at 10/1... ;D
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
No way is diaz 10/1
3/1 is just about believeable, the only bookies offering 10/1 for diaz would literally have to be printing their own money!!
2-1 or 10-8 is just about right. That's what Vegas currently have right now. 10-1 is more like bullshit news propaganda.
Nah, it must be true, VD has $100 on at 10/1... ;D
They were 10-1 when it was first announced. And I jumped on it. I bet with a private bookie. His odds are down to 4-1.
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Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Pacstraightleft
2-1 or 10-8 is just about right. That's what Vegas currently have right now. 10-1 is more like bullshit news propaganda.
Nah, it must be true, VD has $100 on at 10/1... ;D
They were 10-1 when it was first announced. And I jumped on it. I bet with a private bookie. His odds are down to 4-1.
;D
He must be the biggest fucking MUG on earth then. Fact.*
Well done son, you must be raking it in ;)
*this post sort of implies VD is shrewd :-\ .. this is not the case.
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Fenster
Nah, it must be true, VD has $100 on at 10/1... ;D
They were 10-1 when it was first announced. And I jumped on it. I bet with a private bookie. His odds are down to 4-1.
;D
He must be the biggest fucking MUG on earth then. Fact.*
Well done son, you must be raking it in ;)
*this post sort of implies VD is shrewd :-\ .. this is not the case.
All Diaz has to do is win.
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Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
They were 10-1 when it was first announced. And I jumped on it. I bet with a private bookie. His odds are down to 4-1.
;D
He must be the biggest fucking MUG on earth then. Fact.*
Well done son, you must be raking it in ;)
*this post sort of implies VD is shrewd :-\ .. this is not the case.
All Diaz has to do is win.
Yeah, that's the problem, cause he wont.
But what does it matter, your "private bookie" is clearly retarded, he'll probably give you 5/1 for Floyd in the Oscar rematch. ;)
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I don't know why some of you guys are surprised it's a 10 to 1 shot.
It's a mismatch, Pacquiao fans MUST accept this. Pac needs to step it up.
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I see nothing good for Diaz.He might be the bigger guy but what he needs is a punch and he won't gain that in training camp.Pac-man is quicker,more explosive power and as a helluva a jaw. I believe Diaz will be stopped
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gyrokai
I don't know why some of you guys are surprised it's a 10 to 1 shot.
It's a mismatch, Pacquiao fans MUST accept this. Pac needs to step it up.
Odds don't work like that.
I gave Hatton NO CHANCE against Floyd but he was 2/1 at best. I rate Diaz chance against Pac as slim and none. But that doesn't make him 10/1 in a two horse race ;)
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The only way I can see Pac loose is if he has the shittiest boxing night of his life.
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Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
They were 10-1 when it was first announced. And I jumped on it. I bet with a private bookie. His odds are down to 4-1.
;D
He must be the biggest fucking MUG on earth then. Fact.*
Well done son, you must be raking it in ;)
*this post sort of implies VD is shrewd :-\ .. this is not the case.
All Diaz has to do is win.
violent demise posting absoloute bullshit which is completely made up??????????:o:o:o:o
No.........no, i dont want to believe it!!!!!!!!!!
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No I don't think Diaz will win, in truth I'll be surprised if Pacquiao doesn't stop him!
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As far as pure talent and athleticism, Pac is clearly the better fighter. But as some people have mentioned...will Manny be fully focused and prepared? If he is...he should win easy. If he isn't, he will have a tough fight on his hand. I also had a well past it Morales barely winning his first fight against Diaz. So a prime and focused Manny should have no excuses to lose. I just can't see Manny getting fired up for this fight like he did for the Marquez fight.
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CutMeMick
The only way I can see Pac loose is if he has the shittiest boxing night of his life.
LOL. VD likes to go against our man coz he's the FLIP SMASHER!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder if his girlfriend was abducted by a PI.;D;D;D;D
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
;D
He must be the biggest fucking MUG on earth then. Fact.*
Well done son, you must be raking it in ;)
*this post sort of implies VD is shrewd :-\ .. this is not the case.
All Diaz has to do is win.
Yeah, that's the problem, cause he wont.
But what does it matter, your "private bookie" is clearly retarded, he'll probably give you 5/1 for Floyd in the Oscar rematch. ;)
;D;D;D;D;D
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brucelee
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Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
The only way I can see Pac loose is if he has the shittiest boxing night of his life.
LOL. VD likes to go against our man coz he's the FLIP SMASHER!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder if his girlfriend was abducted by a PI.;D;D;D;D
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