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People would still be complaining if he didn't fight Paul Williams immediatly, or Berto a year or two down the road. People need to realize there will always be prospects. I agree, in that I want Mayweather to fight Cotto, but after ODLH does, and then I would be fine if he walks away from the sport.
You were ready to marry this guy and he left you at standing at the altar. Why are you still talking about him like he's a god?
I swear man, I think you're Leanord Ellerbe on the low.
? Yeah, and your a fucking moron, next.
Do you ever make threads/posts that don't involve you whining and complaining like a 14 year old girl or insulting other posters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I really don't think people would want to see him face Williams or Berto like they want to see him face Cotto. I think Cotto would be the best opponent he's ever faced and no one would say that about Williams or Berto. So on that front I disagree.
Some people would, no doubt. I think he will still fight and beat Cotto. After that he should silence nearly everyone of his critics though. Not sure what this is all about. I've met Floyd a few times, but can't say that I know him at all. I do know some people who still speak to Floyd occasionally, or so they say, I hope I run into one of them and try to get their take on his retirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Not sure what this is all about. Maybe it has something to do with his father? David Mayo who writes for the Grand Rapids Press and knows Floyd as well as anyone in the media seems to think it has something to do with Floyd's dis like of Oscar. Maybe he's leaving Oscar scrambling now as payback for the dismissive treatment he received in the past.
Mayweather's retired, but that takes explaining - Mayweather - MLive.com
IMO, if he doesn't fight again and doesn't fight Cotto it leaves a hole in his career to me. This fight has been in the making for a few years. Its not like Cotto is just the next challenger. Cotto is the potential legacy cementing opponent. Floyd's whole career has been leading up to the Cotto fight. It's his destiny to fight and beat Cotto and ride off into the sunset. I think maybe he has grown to hate training and doesn't want to go through it the same anymore. If he knows he doesn't have the heart to go through the crazy training regiment he needs to be ready, maybe he's retiring for the right reasons.
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Originally Posted by GRBOXINGFANSome people would, no doubt. I think he will still fight and beat Cotto. After that he should silence nearly everyone of his critics though. Not sure what this is all about. I've met Floyd a few times, but can't say that I know him at all. I do know some people who still speak to Floyd occasionally, or so they say, I hope I run into one of them and try to get their take on his retirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Not sure what this is all about. Maybe it has something to do with his father? David Mayo who writes for the Grand Rapids Press and knows Floyd as well as anyone in the media seems to think it has something to do with Floyd's dis like of Oscar. Maybe he's leaving Oscar scrambling now as payback for the dismissive treatment he received in the past.
Mayweather's retired, but that takes explaining - Mayweather - MLive.com
IMO, if he doesn't fight again and doesn't fight Cotto it leaves a hole in his career to me. This fight has been in the making for a few years. Its not like Cotto is just the next challenger. Cotto is the potential legacy cementing opponent. Floyd's whole career has been leading up to the Cotto fight. It's his destiny to fight and beat Cotto and ride off into the sunset. I think maybe he has grown to hate training and doesn't want to go through it the same anymore. If he knows he doesn't have the heart to go through the crazy training regiment he needs to be ready, maybe he's retiring for the right reasons.
completely agree
floyd/cotto has been in the making ever since PBF decided he would be moving up to 140 and this has always been the career defining fight for PBF that would have made him an all time great had he of won.
The last great champion we had of the last decade was lennox lewis. He fought and beat everyone in the division there was to beat and made sure by the time he retired there was nobody or nothing left to conquer.
If floyd is deadly serious about this retirement i genuinely feel sad not just for the fans but for the 2 fighters themselves.
Floyd is probably resigned to the fact he`ll now have to spend the remainder of his days being asked whether he truly believed he had what it took to beat cotto, it`ll always be something attached to him for the rest of his career and may eventually put pay to his legacy as one of the all time great fighters.
i see what his saying to be honest, im no fan of mayweather but Taeth has a point, theyll always be someone the fans want him to fight till he loses, many people including myself wanted and believed that de la hoya could beat him, when that didnt happen our hopes were pinned onto Hatton and now Cotto, i like many people really wanna see that fight however if he was to fight Cotto and beat him i dont think it would still be enough for alot of fans,
just the way it is untill he loses, we will want to see him fight the biggest tests available in the hope that he does lose
He should have fought Cotto and Mosely before he retired. That would've cemented his legacy.
I'll admit, this made me laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
I think Taeth's point is....'no matter who he beats there will always be another guy on the way up who fans think could beat him'
I think Mayweather would beat Cotto quite handily but i can see why people give Cotto much more of a chance than they gave ODLH or Hatton.
I really don't care what others think. There wouldn't be so much "Floyd is ducking" talk, and "Floyd is this, and Floyd is that.." if there wasn't some bit of truth to it.
There are many great fighters that went into retirement and are atleast as good as he is and don't have such a big portion of the boxing community up in arms about it for. You must atleast ask yourself why that is, don't you? I mean, I can atleast ask myself why the guy bothers me, and still accept that he is a great boxer. Not sure If the answer I find for myself is truth as acceptable for others, it is my own, but atleast I ask it.
I don't know about that. Some might say Mayweather's legacy is already established. Granted, beating Cotto would take it to another level... And Floyd's WHOLE career has been leading up to fighting Cotto? Wow, that's putting a lot on Cotto, isn't it? I think Cotto was a logical next opponent and while I'm sad it looks like it won't happen, I can respect him for calling it quits.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRBOXINGFANSome people would, no doubt. I think he will still fight and beat Cotto. After that he should silence nearly everyone of his critics though. Not sure what this is all about. I've met Floyd a few times, but can't say that I know him at all. I do know some people who still speak to Floyd occasionally, or so they say, I hope I run into one of them and try to get their take on his retirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Not sure what this is all about. Maybe it has something to do with his father? David Mayo who writes for the Grand Rapids Press and knows Floyd as well as anyone in the media seems to think it has something to do with Floyd's dis like of Oscar. Maybe he's leaving Oscar scrambling now as payback for the dismissive treatment he received in the past.
Mayweather's retired, but that takes explaining - Mayweather - MLive.com
IMO, if he doesn't fight again and doesn't fight Cotto it leaves a hole in his career to me. This fight has been in the making for a few years. Its not like Cotto is just the next challenger. Cotto is the potential legacy cementing opponent. Floyd's whole career has been leading up to the Cotto fight. It's his destiny to fight and beat Cotto and ride off into the sunset. I think maybe he has grown to hate training and doesn't want to go through it the same anymore. If he knows he doesn't have the heart to go through the crazy training regiment he needs to be ready, maybe he's retiring for the right reasons.
To the people who say PBF would easily beat Cotto then I think that's based on Cotto being one of them fighters who you don't realise just how good they are until you share the ring with him. PBF pot shots and doesn't fight in combinations. I'm not sure he would have the power to hold Cotto off for 12 rounds. In many ways he fights to survive. I think he's afraid of getting beat. In fact I think he's terrified of it. He wants to keep that '0' in tact naively thinking that is enough to cement his legacy.
He won't fight a Cotto, or Margarito or Mosley or even a Quintana would be viewed as too dangerous, too competitive. I don't blame him, he's not called ‘Money Mayweather’ for nothing and he’s made his money, enough money for life. He is undefeated and he's getting out whilst he’s still young and he’s never been hurt or been in a war or even been knocked down. All his facilities our still in tact. When you think about it.....It's a perfect boxing career on paper.........on paper
BUT
I think he knows that he has not done enough, to be called a great in Ray Leonard, Hagler, Duran terms. If he retires now then he's great on the level below, the Aaron Pryor, Pernell Whittaker level. I think he'll come back as he will be constantly asked "What about Cotto ?" “You should fight Cotto” his pride won't allow him to let people think he was running scared of Cotto.
He’ll be back.
There is no question in my mind because as much as he calls himself ‘Money Mayweather' and as much as he flashes his cash and wears his bling. I don’t actually think deep down that’s what Mayweather is about, it’s not what drives him on a deep level. I think it’s the recognition that boxing has given him, the glory, the approval, the sense of value that boxing has given his life. To me that’s what is important to him and he will realise that unless he fights Cotto all the money in the world won’t give him what he really wants.
Can't say I understand your whole point? Exactly why would you want De La Hoya to fight Cotto first? What does that have to do with Floyd Mayweather? Oscar De La Hoya is a 154lb fighter. Mayweather is/was the ring and WBC WW champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Are you saying you want De La Hoya to soften up Cotto first? Test the waters for Mayweather?
Who would want to see Mayweather fight Williams next? Paul Williams gained some of his respect as a major force back Saturday night but still he has a resume of stiffs, a close win over a flat Antonio Margarito, a loss of his title in his first defense and he caught Carlos Quintana with a good shot in round one of their rematch. He is not exactly on the P4P list right now is he?
I don't think Andre Berto has fought a ranked opponent yet? There is no one screaming for a fight with him and Cintron let alone Mayweather. The fight for the vacant WBC title is not even against a top 10 guy. Maybe top 10 by WBC but what does that really mean?
Nobody is calling for a Mayweather Vs Berto or Mayweather Vs Williams bout now or even in 2 years from now.
Floyd Mayweather has seen the way Cotto has walked through guys over the last few years. He has seen that even the speed of Judah and Mosley did nothing to nullify Cotto. He is no Johnny Come Lately. He is getting out when he has the chance.
Dude.. Why the harsh response..?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
In all fairness what he said to you was light hearted.. and its not like you havent been around long enough not to know that was out of order.
Taeth this is a gay thread. You know in your heart that a fight with Cotto would silence all the legitimate critics for quite sometime. In fact, YOU KNOW DEEP DOWN THAT Floyd hasn't been fighting the best lately or you wouldn't have made this thread.
But, maybe you are just hoping Floyd is reading this and going to give you some fight tickets whenever he comes out of retirement (like your cousins that had that youtube fight show)? I'll give you the benefit.
Fighting Oscar at 154 is way riskier than Cotto at 147... No way Cotto moves up to 154 and beats Delahoya.. No friggin way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Put Em' Up
Judah is the PFP#1 fighter in 5 round fights
Mosely has quick hands, Chin and Power but isint as slick nor is he as technically and fundamentaly sound as Mayweather and dosent even hold a candle to his Floyd defense..
So Floyd aint comparing himself to those two if he is making a potential matchup to Cotto
Sorry JT but Cotto at 147 is way more of a risk then De La Hoya at 154. De La Hoya isn't a pressure fighter so he couldn't even use his size to his advantage. Oscar had Floyd on the ropes a bunch and he looked very poor. The best thing De La Hoya had going for him was his jab and his defense, and a jab and defense is never going to beat Floyd. The size was a complete non factor in that fight. Cotto actually has a pressuring style with the ability to not be overwhelmed by the skills of Floyd.
And I don't buy that De La Hoya beats Cotto either no matter what the weight, what makes you think that? Forbes got to De La Hoya, Mayweather hurt De La Hoya with a couple uppercuts and at this point in his career, De La Hoya just can't match Cotto offensively. I think it would be a lopsided fight.
Who wouldn't want to see Mayweather-Paul Williams assuming Mayweather beat Cotto? Mayweather has a real chance to make his resume (which is all ready very good don't get me wrong) stack up to his abilities, he has a great chance in the next couple of years if he wants too. Even though nobody really wants to see ODLH again that's not a bad win any way you look at it, and then there's so much at 147, what if he beat ODLH, Cotto and Williams back to back? That's probably wishful thinking but why not give it a try? Its not like the guy's old, he's got the rest of his life to produce shitty rap albums and throw money up in the air.
Sorry I disagree wholeheartedly... a pressure fighter is tailor made for Delahoya.. Delahoya would trouble Cotto with the Jab and I think Oscars jaw would fair better in the exchanges...Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Cmon Amat of course Delahoya's size is a non factor against a slick speedy defensively sound fighter.. Oscar is at his absolute best when he dosent have to find you.
Same here, I already stated all the reasons why I just can't see Cotto winning against Mayweather no matter how much I want to see Mayweather loose.Quote:
I think Taeth's point is....'no matter who he beats there will always be another guy on the way up who fans think could beat him'
I think Mayweather would beat Cotto quite handily
Even if Mayweather stayed after beating Cotto, Margarito, etc. I wouldn't be surprised to hear others complain "Well, if he was a heavyweight I am sure X would have kicked his ass" :rolleyes: . That is what happens when you have someone dominate the sport.
Lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
I disagree on the Cotto comment sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockFighting Oscar at 154 is way riskier than Cotto at 147... No way Cotto moves up to 154 and beats Delahoya.. No friggin way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Put Em' Up
Judah is the PFP#1 fighter in 5 round fights
Mosely has quick hands, Chin and Power but isint as slick nor is he as technically and fundamentaly sound as Mayweather and dosent even hold a candle to his Floyd defense..
So Floyd aint comparing himself to those two if he is making a potential matchup to Cotto
Never said that Mosley or Judah were as good as Mayweather but it is a smaple of what he will face in the r8ing and he is not having any of it.
PERIOD. Since his lightweight days Floyd has never looked for a fight that would be difficult except for the DLH bout and that was Oscars doing and money that enticed that bout not Floyd wanting it. to prove anything.
I'm not saying Cotto isnt' a great fighter...
I think he beats
every 147 pounder out there right now, but I don't think he would ever beat Mayweather. Cotto is a great fighter, but his style isn't suited to fighting a guy who moves and has the ability of Mayweather, Cotto is lucky Malignaggi didn't move more, and that Mosley didn't either because when they did Cotto got a lot less done, and Mayweather is vastly superior fighter to either of them when moving backwards, and Judah for that matter. None of them use the amount of movement Mayweather does, none of them have his defensive skills, or ability to change directions quicky(except Judah, but he hardly ever throws his left hand, and he doesn't keep moving).
Mayweather hasn't foughten the top p4p guys he could have, but in terms of who would give him a tough fight I think Oscar and Hatton presented very real problems for MAyweather, Hatton it was his inside fighting, footspeed, constant pressure and I think the fight would have been a little toughter wihtout Cortez, and Oscar presented hand speed, experience, size, power, great chin.
Cotto is an interesting matchup for Mayweather, but in the end Mayweather would stay outside Cotto's distance, block nearly everything Cotto threw and gradually taken over the fight landing stiff right hands and left hooks. I think it would be a UD wiht Mayweahter winning 116-112 ish.
Well it is one thing saying Mayweather would beat Cotto, it is quite another him actually doing it. ;)
I agree with several of your points. I also don't think Cotto could beat Mayweather. Cotto, in my opinion, fought a past prime Shane Mosley to a draw. If a slower Shane can pose problems for Cotto, a much faster and better defensive fighter like Floyd would out point him for victory. I also agree with your original post...Floyd can beat the top dogs...and some people wont be satisfied. Some people just don't like Floyd and others might not like him but really think his career resume isn't spectacular. I count myself in the latter group. I certainly am not a fan of Floyd as a person, but i respect his skills as a boxer tremendously. However, i just don't think his resume compares to some of the all time greats. This could be because of the era he has been fighting in (this era just doesn't compare to the days of hagler, hearns, duran, leonard), it could be that he has chosen his opponents carefully and smartly (especially in recent years), or it could be a combination of these two things. But as it stands right now...Floyd has fought some very good fighters, but the biggest and most noteworthy victory in his career is a 35 year old Oscar. Sure, he took a risk against Oscar in going up in weight...and credit should be given to him...but can we truly call that a career defining fight? The point i most strongly disagree with you on is your praise about his fight against Hatton. No disrespect to Ricky, he has a lot of heart and spirit...but i just don't see how any knowledgable boxing fan thought he had a more than slim chance against Floyd. He was undersized and knows how to fight only one way...both things being perfect for a fighter like Floyd. So with all due respect to Hatton and his fans...i give Floyd very little props for defeating Hatton. That was an "event" fight...plain and simple. The hype should not have blinded people into thinking Floyd accomplished something spectacular. That fight reminded me of Floyd's fight with Gatti. Sure, Hatton is a better fighter than Gatti...but like Hatton...Gatti was tailor made for a fighter with Floyd's skill...and like the Hatton fight...Floyd got waaaaaay to much credit for beating Gatti. I think a lot of people just want Floyd to beat great young fighters who could make things interesting. Could Floyd fight and beat Cotto, Williams, etc.....sure. But at least those fighters aren't over the hill, undersized, or one dimensional. Those aren't simply EVENT fights sold through hype as something more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Cracking postQuote:
Originally Posted by zhubinI agree with several of your points. I also don't think Cotto could beat Mayweather. Cotto, in my opinion, fought a past prime Shane Mosley to a draw. If a slower Shane can pose problems for Cotto, a much faster and better defensive fighter like Floyd would out point him for victory. I also agree with your original post...Floyd can beat the top dogs...and some people wont be satisfied. Some people just don't like Floyd and others might not like him but really think his career resume isn't spectacular. I count myself in the latter group. I certainly am not a fan of Floyd as a person, but i respect his skills as a boxer tremendously. However, i just don't think his resume compares to some of the all time greats. This could be because of the era he has been fighting in (this era just doesn't compare to the days of hagler, hearns, duran, leonard), it could be that he has chosen his opponents carefully and smartly (especially in recent years), or it could be a combination of these two things. But as it stands right now...Floyd has fought some very good fighters, but the biggest and most noteworthy victory in his career is a 35 year old Oscar. Sure, he took a risk against Oscar in going up in weight...and credit should be given to him...but can we truly call that a career defining fight? The point i most strongly disagree with you on is your praise about his fight against Hatton. No disrespect to Ricky, he has a lot of heart and spirit...but i just don't see how any knowledgable boxing fan thought he had a more than slim chance against Floyd. He was undersized and knows how to fight only one way...both things being perfect for a fighter like Floyd. So with all due respect to Hatton and his fans...i give Floyd very little props for defeating Hatton. That was an "event" fight...plain and simple. The hype should not have blinded people into thinking Floyd accomplished something spectacular. That fight reminded me of Floyd's fight with Gatti. Sure, Hatton is a better fighter than Gatti...but like Hatton...Gatti was tailor made for a fighter with Floyd's skill...and like the Hatton fight...Floyd got waaaaaay to much credit for beating Gatti. I think a lot of people just want Floyd to beat great young fighters who could make things interesting. Could Floyd fight and beat Cotto, Williams, etc.....sure. But at least those fighters aren't over the hill, undersized, or one dimensional. Those aren't simply EVENT fights sold through hype as something more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I agree, for a fighter of his experience, going for headshots was a total waste of punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Wow! I think that makes maybe 2 or 3 of us in the whole forum that can't see Cotto winning no matter how much we want that to happen. I can see Mayweather winning by an unquestionable UD, not so sure if he could win by KO/TKO but didn't we all think the same when he faced Hatton?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Mayweather isn't as good as he thinks...sure he has fought some decent competition but he hasn't fought and beat THE BEST and the best is out there for him right now!
Miguel Cotto-Antonio Margarito
I know for a FACT PBF will be back in boxing by next year if not sooner...he has to come and fight his Marvin Hagler be it Cotto or Margarito, he has to end his career on a note that says "You can't debate who the best is, it's Floyd Mayweather Jr.".....he won't beat Cotto but his ego won't allow for him to be overshaddowed by Cotto.
If Floyd retired after fighting Cotto then that would be different
Bullshit swanson.. I got 5000 reps that say Cotto gets beat by Mayweather!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Cotto isn't better than Dela Hoya. Or at least the evidence wouldn't indicate that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Cotto is a great fighter, and everybody appreciates that, but he isn't the same level of fighter Mayweather is. I just can't see Cotto doing anything differently that what has been done against Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200
Did he not complain about me first?, and who are you again?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHDo you ever make threads/posts that don't involve you whining and complaining like a 14 year old girl or insulting other posters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
For the record I was just kidding, it was just for shock effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito BHBDude.. Why the harsh response..?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
In all fairness what he said to you was light hearted.. and its not like you havent been around long enough not to know that was out of order.
He didn't complain about you, he made a joke. I thought your response was severe.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethDid he not complain about me first?, and who are you again?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHDo you ever make threads/posts that don't involve you whining and complaining like a 14 year old girl or insulting other posters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by TaethCotto is a great fighter, and everybody appreciates that, but he isn't the same level of fighter Mayweather is. I just can't see Cotto doing anything differently that what has been done against Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200
That doesn't mean Mayweather shouldn't face him. Otherwise the P4P best fighter in the world would never have to worry about facing anybody. Cotto represents the potential best Mayweather opponent ever, for that reason alone it doesn't matter how you or me see things going.