Thoughts on Mayweather

I just needed to post this somewhere. Tremendous champion, possibly top 10-20 for most talented ever and an amazing amazing defence, which he will be remembered for but, and I don't think many will agree with me, he will also be remembered for winning the WW title at a time when the WW division was and still is the hottest in boxing and not defending it ONCE v a top ranked 147 pounder. This would have been akin to SRR not fighting the champs at middlweight like Lamotta etc. There's no excuse for it and regardless whether any Floyd fans choose to like it or not, at a time when gys like Williams,Cotto,Margarito and a TON of solid fighters were at 147,Floyd fought none of them and that's just a fact.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I just needed to post this somewhere. Tremendous champion, possibly top 10-20 for most talented ever and an amazing amazing defence, which he will be remembered for but, and I don't think many will agree with me, he will also be remembered for winning the WW title at a time when the WW division was and still is the hottest in boxing and not defending it ONCE v a top ranked 147 pounder. This would have been akin to SRR not fighting the champs at middlweight like Lamotta etc. There's no excuse for it and regardless whether any Floyd fans choose to like it or not, at a time when gys like Williams,Cotto,Margarito and a TON of solid fighters were at 147,Floyd fought none of them and that's just a fact.

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He has been in and beaten many great fighters in his time.

But as you pointed out with his age and the amount of unanswered questions regarding the amount of world class fighters he still hasnt fought it does somewhat seem that PBF has somewhat dodged his way into the record books!!

Mayweather is a great.

It took me a long time to like him, but I feel that his style coupled with his boxing brain have allowed him to become a fantastic boxer.

His offence is underrated.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Mayweather is a great.

It took me a long time to like him, but I feel that his style coupled with his boxing brain have allowed him to become a fantastic boxer.

His offence is underrated.

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That's my thoughts as well... He is truely amazing.. And it's not a stretch to imagine that he COULD continue fighting, and still remain undefeated for another 10 fights. He is just that good at coming out on top inside the ring..
That being said though, it's also not a stretch to say that there is no good reason for him to be retiring from box right now.. Aside from his personal reasons..
And for a record that could have continued to grow, he will definetly be remembered for leaving boxing at the top of his game, when there were still many fighters out there that he should be fighting...
Questions are still being asked... Not if he is a great.. He is absolutely a great and no fight will change that... But top p4p fighters still fight top p4p challengers, while they can.... They don't retire...

Great fighter, not the most exciting to watch.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I just needed to post this somewhere. Tremendous champion, possibly top 10-20 for most talented ever and an amazing amazing defence, which he will be remembered for but, and I don't think many will agree with me, he will also be remembered for winning the WW title at a time when the WW division was and still is the hottest in boxing and not defending it ONCE v a top ranked 147 pounder. This would have been akin to SRR not fighting the champs at middlweight like Lamotta etc. There's no excuse for it and regardless whether any Floyd fans choose to like it or not, at a time when gys like Williams,Cotto,Margarito and a TON of solid fighters were at 147,Floyd fought none of them and that's just a fact.

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I agree, if it was strictly up to ability he would be up there with the GOAT status, but the reality is he left the sport too soon. If he could have unified the WW division there is noone out there that could have questioned his greatness, but he cashed in and cashed out, can't blame him from a human point of view, he still has all his wits about him and has enough cash to carry him throughout the rest of his life. From a fans point of view it is dissapointing however, because we know what he could have still accomplished and there were some major tests he didn't take the big one for me is not unifying any division. But he did do some phenomenal things.

I think PBF is gonna be remembered as getting stabbed by Roger!!!!


Remember the stink he made about Roger training Forbes? Roger is trying to take money out of PBF's pocket? Then you get him to miss his paycheck so he can "insure" your paycheck, then you retire????

Roger is gonna stab him. That's my prediction. Either Floyd pays Roger the amount he would have earned from training Forbes, or he gets stabbed....

Get ready for the news.

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Originally Posted by luvfightgame

I think PBF is gonna be remembered as getting stabbed by Roger!!!!


Remember the stink he made about Roger training Forbes? Roger is trying to take money out of PBF's pocket? Then you get him to miss his paycheck so he can "insure" your paycheck, then you retire????

Roger is gonna stab him. That's my prediction. Either Floyd pays Roger the amount he would have earned from training Forbes, or he gets stabbed....

Get ready for the news.

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Wow with all these talks I totally forgot about this kinda sets up a reality TV series though "Mayweather Family Reunion"

Seriously though Roger's gotta be fuming that was a healthy payday he gave up there.

He is easily one of the best who has ever laced on gloves but there's so many people can say argue that his legacy and opposition could've used some work.

His best wins in my opinion were Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo twice (I thought JLC won the first one) and Oscar De La Hoya. Wins that people call significant that I don't really consider to be all that impressive are Corley, Gatti, and Baldomir. AND his victory over Hatton is somewhere in between the two categories.

I'm speaking as a fan of Mayweather when I say that he is incredibly skilled and talented. But his downfall when being discussed years from now or with anyone who is looking for something to say against Floyd is that he avoided fighting the best in his current weightclass. It was such a heavily talked about division yet he never involved himself with those fighters. If he beats the winner of Cotto/Margarito, Floyd just can't be denied what-so-ever.

Some excellent points Killersheep and Caleoh. I'm not hating on Mayweather but it boils down to this:

the real WW champ did not defend the real title against a single,top 10,legit WW in boxings hottest division.

Lokk at the above sentence. That's not even right! There is absolutely no doubt he is one of the most talented fighters ever and i have said it time and time again,Mayweather at 130/35 could fight all the ATG's at that weight but,140 and ESPECIALLY 147,he's lacking.

Wins over Hatton and Oscar are excellent wins,absolutely no denying that whatsoever. However,it leaves a sour taste when you think how hot 147 was at the time.The Oscar fight is cool,gave him another paper title in anopther weight class. The Hatton fight though, was a few years late and Hatton would struggle with the best10-12 WW's imo.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I just needed to post this somewhere. Tremendous champion, possibly top 10-20 for most talented ever and an amazing amazing defence, which he will be remembered for but, and I don't think many will agree with me, he will also be remembered for winning the WW title at a time when the WW division was and still is the hottest in boxing and not defending it ONCE v a top ranked 147 pounder. This would have been akin to SRR not fighting the champs at middlweight like Lamotta etc. There's no excuse for it and regardless whether any Floyd fans choose to like it or not, at a time when gys like Williams,Cotto,Margarito and a TON of solid fighters were at 147,Floyd fought none of them and that's just a fact.

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I agree with everything, but depending on how you mean 10-20 most talented boxers... I think there are more than 20 boxers that have lived with more physical talent than him. In fact despite him being a good athlete I do not think he is as special an athlete as I once did, and that makes his technical skills which could also mean his talent all that more important. I also think his defensive skills are top 4 for sure... I see him, Pep, WHitaker, and one other guy I can't think of are all up there, personally I think his defense is the best, but its hard to say because like you said he hasn't foughten all the best fighters at WW or even in the lower wieght categories.

I like him in the ring, you can't deny the skills. I wish he would fight the fights we all want, you can't say these guys don't deserve shots...that shit is getting old, just like him. I'm not a hater though I wouldn't sign up on a Floyd forum either.

Well I'm a big Floyd fan, I do feel he will go down as one of the greatest, and like everyone else I am terribly disappointed he opted to retire without fighting Cotto, because that would have been a modern day classic.

I don't buy the retirement though. I think he will be back and he will fight the winner of Cotto/Marg eventually. I think he was just bored with the sport and had no desire to train his ass off to fight ODLH, which is a dangerous fight for him with not much to gain.

Gaurenteed if Cotto wins, Floyd has too big of an ego to sit around and hear everyone saying that Cotto chased him out of boxing.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

and one other guy I can't think of are all up there.

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Nicolino Locche?

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I just needed to post this somewhere. Tremendous champion, possibly top 10-20 for most talented ever and an amazing amazing defence, which he will be remembered for but, and I don't think many will agree with me, he will also be remembered for winning the WW title at a time when the WW division was and still is the hottest in boxing and not defending it ONCE v a top ranked 147 pounder. This would have been akin to SRR not fighting the champs at middlweight like Lamotta etc. There's no excuse for it and regardless whether any Floyd fans choose to like it or not, at a time when gys like Williams,Cotto,Margarito and a TON of solid fighters were at 147,Floyd fought none of them and that's just a fact.

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Well stated. Floyd Mayweather Jr is/was a great fighter but for some reason since his days at lightweight seemed to avoid the biggest challenges out there. If there was an easy way to a title or to defend one he took it.

I really do not give him that much credit for beating a bigger DE la Hoya to be honest. He did it in a very unspectacular fashion happy to eek out a decision win.

Great fighter who liked to brag a bit too much and avoid dangerous fights is how I will always remember him

I think Mayweather needs to fight one of the top Welterweights so his whole career doesn't get over shadowed. I don't think that way but i've seen a lot of fans dissing Mayweather's record/opposition. Because there simply getting caught up with this whole Mayweather vs Cotto siuation and etc. Im not saying its bad thing fans want Cotto vs Mayweather or Mayweather against any other top Welterweights, but because the division is so hot at the moment and the fans want to see the best P4P fighter challenged, i fear if Mayweather does retire he will be more remembered for ducking Cotto than his accomplishments at the lower weights classes by arm chair fans anyway. It just annoys me as a Mayweather fan that Mayweather is feeding these haters and is giving fans more of a reason to dislike him and etc.

Mayweather will be back. And his fans will be going..."I told you, I told you!" And his haters will be going..."We knew, we knew." I'd be prepared to make a sizeable some kinda long term bet. It's all about the limelight and having his name mentioned and in the media. Media attention = money. Mayweather = money. That simple, IMO.

Any one up for this long term bet?

I'm still pissed Mayweather has never fought Mosely, that was the obvious fight at lightweight back in the day, boo to both of them for never making that fight....modern era boxing...that wouldn't have happened in the 50's.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I just needed to post this somewhere. Tremendous champion, possibly top 10-20 for most talented ever and an amazing amazing defence, which he will be remembered for but, and I don't think many will agree with me, he will also be remembered for winning the WW title at a time when the WW division was and still is the hottest in boxing and not defending it ONCE v a top ranked 147 pounder. This would have been akin to SRR not fighting the champs at middlweight like Lamotta etc. There's no excuse for it and regardless whether any Floyd fans choose to like it or not, at a time when gys like Williams,Cotto,Margarito and a TON of solid fighters were at 147,Floyd fought none of them and that's just a fact.

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I agree with you Gamo, I have never been a Mayweather fan but was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until early next year to see if he fought Cotto after the proposed DLH rematch.

But for Floyd to retire & relinquish the 147 pound championship & P4P throne bugs me. He only needed to stay for one more fight against Cotto then all the questions would have been answered IMO.

Now we have a broken lineage at 147 but I think it creates great opportunities for the guys there at the moment who are willing to fight each other & fill the vacancy.

I hope Floyd doesn't try to come back in a year or so saying he's all that because I won't be interested because he should have done it now when it matters.

He doesn't want to fight. I am glad he retired. Oscar doesn't want to fight either. If the motherfuckers want to take up knitting, more power to them. It is better that than feed us bullshit. One bullshit fight, yeah thats cool. Two bullshit fights.....hey I am a fight fan. But it gets old.


PBF being so skilled just makes him that much more of a waste.

Excellent post booze and Galaxy. I totally agree. I just hope I'm wrong in thinking that this is some kind of trick in order to attain parity with Oscar purse wise. I wouldn't put it past Mayweather though!

Great blog by Dan Rafael in the ESPN boxing website! Bank on "Money's" return is the name of the link.

It's like he read this thread and decided to post something in reaction to it...

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

Mayweather will be back. And his fans will be going..."I told you, I told you!" And his haters will be going..."We knew, we knew." I'd be prepared to make a sizeable some kinda long term bet. It's all about the limelight and having his name mentioned and in the media. Media attention = money. Mayweather = money. That simple, IMO.

Any one up for this long term bet?

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I agree that Mayweather will be back for sure. This is what I see happening.

PBF's retired for now

Cotto Will beat Margo whitch then Cotto will go on to Fight Oscar sometime in I say November or December then once Cotto Disposes of Oscar PBF will come out of retirement to then fight Cotto. Its all about money and if Cotto beats Margo and Oscar he's gonna be the biggest draw in boxing pretty much which means PBF vs Cotto is going to bring in Millions probably more than the Oscar vs PBF did.

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

Mayweather will be back. And his fans will be going..."I told you, I told you!" And his haters will be going..."We knew, we knew." I'd be prepared to make a sizeable some kinda long term bet. It's all about the limelight and having his name mentioned and in the media. Media attention = money. Mayweather = money. That simple, IMO.

Any one up for this long term bet?

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I agree that Mayweather will be back for sure. This is what I see happening.

PBF's retired for now

Cotto Will beat Margo whitch then Cotto will go on to Fight Oscar sometime in I say November or December then once Cotto Disposes of Oscar PBF will come out of retirement to then fight Cotto. Its all about money and if Cotto beats Margo and Oscar he's gonna be the biggest draw in boxing pretty much which means PBF vs Cotto is going to bring in Millions probably more than the Oscar vs PBF did.

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I don't think it'll be bigger than "The World Awaits" but it sure will be a cashcow. Oscar made that fight as big as it was.

Why do so many people think PBF is this marketing genius who just does all this stuff to promote himself???

He's a childish and immature drama queen. He makes a stink about "the best trainer in the world" hurting his potential fight, then retires? Come on guys, his emotional maturity is that of a teenager. He retired after Baldo, the whole press conference stunt, every time he's on ESPN he argues with the announcer and is unintelligible. He is a major talent in the ring, but he's a wreck outside of it and that's why he pulls these stunts. He's not a genius at promoting himself, if he was he would be well liked. He can't carry a ppv by himself, his big paydays were against top draw fighters who have consistently carried ppv's by themselves.

Give him credit for skills in the ring, but that's as far as it goes. He has done his own image more harm than good everywhere else, and that's the whole reason there is an argument about his "legacy".

Floyd will fight again. He just was not motivated. He needs people to doubt him so he can train on the doubt. He wants to be the underdog. U fight and train different when you are chasing in contrast to being the one chased. Cotto would be the perfect fight if he builds his unbeatable persona up that would give Floyd that motivation to say, O K everyone is doubting me so now thats my motivation. When u are on top for so long sometimes u must play head games with yourself. The I TOLD U SO FACTOR is more powerful then most people realize. If the star align correctly Floyd will be in that position next year to do what I just said, come back with all the doubters, haters, and na sayers to in position to get beat along with his opponent. Mark My Words.

I don't care who you are. Inactivity is not smart.

I'd have liked to see the Mosely fight but the two fights that I really wanted to see that didn't happen were against Casamayor and KT. I think both of these would have helped shape his legacy better. If he doesn't beat Cotto/Marg winner then he can't even claim to be the best WW of his era much less an ATG. If he never fights again he will always be remembered for awe inspiring talent but not the best resume against his contemporaries.

Haven't thought much about him.

My final thoughts on floyd (like he really ain't coming back, but just in case..) would be. The greatest of all time ?? Hell no. But the greatest of his time, i will always say he was. Miss him ?? No, i think this makes the whole picture so much more interesting and now we can finally ask different questions without everything always being compared to floyd. I still refuse to totally buy into this retirement stuff, he'll be back fighting some alien champion with four arms from another planet on ppv or some shit.

Not even the best of his era. He fought in the same time as Pac/Barrerra/Morales/Winky/B-Hop/Calzaghe/Roy Jones is still fighting.. He will fade in time. He is no Winky. He is no Pac. Time doesn't favor those who never fought real adversarial fights.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I just needed to post this somewhere. Tremendous champion, possibly top 10-20 for most talented ever and an amazing amazing defence, which he will be remembered for but, and I don't think many will agree with me, he will also be remembered for winning the WW title at a time when the WW division was and still is the hottest in boxing and not defending it ONCE v a top ranked 147 pounder. This would have been akin to SRR not fighting the champs at middlweight like Lamotta etc. There's no excuse for it and regardless whether any Floyd fans choose to like it or not, at a time when gys like Williams,Cotto,Margarito and a TON of solid fighters were at 147,Floyd fought none of them and that's just a fact.

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I only got one problem with this post. Yes he was the WW champ at a time when it was the hottest division in boxing. But it was not so when he won it. When he won the title it was possibly one of the weakest divisions in the sport.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

Not even the best of his era. He fought in the same time as Pac/Barrerra/Morales/Winky/B-Hop/Calzaghe/Roy Jones is still fighting.. He will fade in time. He is no Winky. He is no Pac. Time doesn't favor those who never fought real adversarial fights.

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Whilst I do respect your point and I commend you for mentioning Barrera Morales & Co. I have to take issue with this post.

And even more unfortunately Booze, the part I must take issue with is the part about your favourite fighter.

Winky, although a massive talent and fantastic fighter, will not be remebered to be among this era's greatest.
Overshadowed by more flambuoyant, extroverted and aggresive fighters, Winky is not helped by the fact that he missed out on many fights because fighters hesitated in fighting him.

I can draw paralels between him and Charley Burley, perhaps even Sam Langford....They could all be viewed as much greater if they were not avoided.
Unfortunately the fact remains. Winky will not be recognised as a great fighter. He will be the enigma of the 90's and 00's.

I have an honest and legit question, when is the last time (or should I say at what time) can anyone really say that they were looking forward to a Mayweather fight because of Mayweather?

In that aspect I mean looking forward to the fight because they can honestly say they knew Mayweather himself was going to make an exciting bout?

The MW/DLH fight was more of interest due to DLH, MW/Hatton was a draw because of Hatton, same as the Gatti fight. I believe for the Mayweather/Baldomir fight they gave out commemetorive (OK I can't spell that word lol) pillows and it was the only fight to have recliner chairs at ringside.

Floyd really was not an exciting fighter, a great fighter yes but great and exciting are two different things.

Someone please tell me what are we missing with him gone? Please I am curious? He sat on his title he fought weak opposition for the better half of his career and ended it fighting a smaller man.

If you ask me all he did was hold up a lot of good fights at WW

Graet fighter, great skills.

I don't like his attitude though. I also don't know why he wont face a legitimate threat in Miguel Cotto.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I just needed to post this somewhere. Tremendous champion, possibly top 10-20 for most talented ever and an amazing amazing defence, which he will be remembered for but, and I don't think many will agree with me, he will also be remembered for winning the WW title at a time when the WW division was and still is the hottest in boxing and not defending it ONCE v a top ranked 147 pounder. This would have been akin to SRR not fighting the champs at middlweight like Lamotta etc. There's no excuse for it and regardless whether any Floyd fans choose to like it or not, at a time when gys like Williams,Cotto,Margarito and a TON of solid fighters were at 147,Floyd fought none of them and that's just a fact.

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As much as I love Mayweather there isn't anything I could disagree with there. Mayweather seemed consumed with legacy and while I respect any fighter for retiring whenever they feel considering what they do for a living, it leaves a smudge on his legacy in my mind. PBF didin't need to take on every single stud in the division because it's like whack-a-mole; every time you hit one another pops up. But if he'd fought at least 1 that would have been something to hang his hat on.

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Originally Posted by Put Em' Up

I have an honest and legit question, when is the last time (or should I say at what time) can anyone really say that they were looking forward to a Mayweather fight because of Mayweather?

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That's easy:

Gatti - no one thought Gatti had a chance unless you buy into great white hype. I wanted to see what PBF would do to him.

Judah - say what you want about Judah being inconsistent, when the guy is focused he's one of the most dangerous guys in the division and he proved it for four rounds. I've never considered buying a PPV for Zab alone, Mayweather was the reason.

Hatton - again, didn't really think he had a chance and it makes the top ten FOTY list in my book. And I wanted to see what PBF would do to him.

De La Hoya - I haven't cared to see a DLH fight since he got beat up by Hopkins. I'm not some fan who'll eat up any crap Oscar poops out, but when this was set I was eager for it.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

I don't care who you are. Inactivity is not smart.

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What about when you're ill?

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Originally Posted by leftylee

Graet fighter, great skills.

I don't like his attitude though. I also don't know why he wont face a legitimate threat in Miguel Cotto.

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If Cotto loses to Margarito he will never get a fight with Mayweather, i think people need to wait and see who wins between Cotto and Margarito first then they have a better case regarding Cotto vs Mayweather situation. And i know this sounds ridiculous but what if Mayweather loses to ODLH ?? i think thats very unlikely but who knows ??

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Originally Posted by leftylee

Graet fighter, great skills.

I don't like his attitude though. I also don't know why he wont face a legitimate threat in Miguel Cotto.

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If Cotto loses to Margarito he will never get a fight with Mayweather, i think people need to wait and see who wins between Cotto and Margarito first then they have a better case regarding Cotto vs Mayweather situation. And i know this sounds ridiculous but what if Mayweather loses to ODLH ?? i think thats very unlikely but who knows ??

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You know Mayweather retired right?