Ricky Hatton's Career Is So Similar To Naseem Hamed's Career.

Both men were on a high until they both went to America for the 1st time when they were both exposed somewhat, Naz against Kelley, Hatton against Collazo. Then they both have major fights and both were dominated, then they both have one comeback fight and don't look like the same fighters, and now by the looks of it Hatton is retiring just like Naz did whats your thoughts on this ??

My thoughts are, that if Naz had've stayed with Ingle and continued to box rather than rely on single shots he could've beaten Barerra, Hatton could NEVER have beaten PBF.

Since when is Hatton retiring? He's got a fight with powderpuff next followed by possible fights with Pac and the like.

I don't really see the comparison at all to be honest.

Hatton just fought in front of 55,000 adoring fans. Naz, over a year after the Barrera loss, chose Manuel Calvo as a comeback and looked so piss poor, and so clearly out of love with boxing, that he was booed out of the ring, never to be seen again.

Apart from being Brits that have/had great careers.. i don't see it. :-\

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Since when is Hatton retiring? He's got a fight with powderpuff next followed by possible fights with Pac and the like.

I don't really see the comparison at all to be honest.

Hatton just fought in front of 55,000 adoring fans. Naz, over a year after the Barrera loss, chose Manuel Calvo as a comeback and looked so piss poor, and so clearly out of love with boxing, that he was booed out of the ring, never to be seen again.

Apart from being Brits that have/had great careers.. i don't see it. :-\

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Well like i said i haven't been following boxing for a few months but a friend told me he said he see in the paper that Hatton was retiring ??

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Since when is Hatton retiring? He's got a fight with powderpuff next followed by possible fights with Pac and the like.

I don't really see the comparison at all to be honest.

Hatton just fought in front of 55,000 adoring fans. Naz, over a year after the Barrera loss, chose Manuel Calvo as a comeback and looked so piss poor, and so clearly out of love with boxing, that he was booed out of the ring, never to be seen again.

Apart from being Brits that have/had great careers.. i don't see it. :-\

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Well like i said i haven't been following boxing for a few months but a friend told me he said he see in the paper that Hatton was retiring ??

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Oh.. OK.

For a minute I thought maybe he did a Floyd and Oscar.. announce the retirement.

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Since when is Hatton retiring? He's got a fight with powderpuff next followed by possible fights with Pac and the like.

I don't really see the comparison at all to be honest.

Hatton just fought in front of 55,000 adoring fans. Naz, over a year after the Barrera loss, chose Manuel Calvo as a comeback and looked so piss poor, and so clearly out of love with boxing, that he was booed out of the ring, never to be seen again.

Apart from being Brits that have/had great careers.. i don't see it. :-\

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Well like i said i haven't been following boxing for a few months but a friend told me he said he see in the paper that Hatton was retiring ??

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How come?

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Both men were on a high until they both went to America for the 1st time when they were both exposed somewhat, Naz against Kelley, Hatton against Collazo. Then they both have major fights and both were dominated, then they both have one comeback fight and don't look like the same fighters, and now by the looks of it Hatton is retiring just like Naz did whats your thoughts on this ??

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Here's the difference. Hatton was "exposed" in America by a naturally larger man who happened to be a southpaw. He could have taken his first fight at 147 against a washed up, blown up JWW, like Floyd did against Mitchell. He lost to Mayweather, who is better p4p than Barrera by a good amount. I'm big Barrera fan and I hate Mayweather, but facts are facts. All the flaws in Naz's game were exposed by Barrera, while Ricky just lost to the better fighter in Floyd.

I've heard nothing of Ricky retiring. He's still the man to beat at 140 I see no reason why he won't be the top dog at 140 for the next 1-2 years.

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My thoughts are, that if Naz had've stayed with Ingle and continued to box rather than rely on single shots he could've beaten Barerra, Hatton could NEVER have beaten PBF.

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Hey Big H , about Naz/Barrera , i dont think so , Naz never could beat Barrera , he gave to Naz a real damn beat , if Naz would want fight again in that moment , Barrera could give him another beat............;D
I never liked that Naz.............

The comparison is an easy one to draw, they were both 'managed' by FW for the bulk of their careers.

Different characters though.

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My thoughts are, that if Naz had've stayed with Ingle and continued to box rather than rely on single shots he could've beaten Barerra, Hatton could NEVER have beaten PBF.

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Hey Big H , about Naz/Barrera , i dont think so , Naz never could beat Barrera , he gave to Naz a real damn beat , if Naz would want fight again in that moment , Barrera could give him another beat............;D
I never liked that Naz.............

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I agree with Big H, i think Naz would of beaten MAB i think he would of wore him down and stopped him late if he stopped with Ingle Naz was never the same fighter when he spilt from Ingle.

As for Hatton he is fighting Pauli next.

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The comparison is an easy one to draw, they were both 'managed' by FW for the bulk of their careers.

Different characters though.

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Yeah unbeaten under FW. Silly boys should have stayed with him.



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Similar or not. It's still damn good observations by ICB.

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Both men were on a high until they both went to America for the 1st time when they were both exposed somewhat, Naz against Kelley, Hatton against Collazo. Then they both have major fights and both were dominated, then they both have one comeback fight and don't look like the same fighters, and now by the looks of it Hatton is retiring just like Naz did whats your thoughts on this ??

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Here's the difference. Hatton was "exposed" in America by a naturally larger man who happened to be a southpaw. He could have taken his first fight at 147 against a washed up, blown up JWW, like Floyd did against Mitchell. He lost to Mayweather, who is better p4p than Barrera by a good amount. I'm big Barrera fan and I hate Mayweather, but facts are facts. All the flaws in Naz's game were exposed by Barrera, while Ricky just lost to the better fighter in Floyd.

I've heard nothing of Ricky retiring. He's still the man to beat at 140 I see no reason why he won't be the top dog at 140 for the next 1-2 years.

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This is pretty close to on the nose,I dont like Mayweather as a person,but he was probably the best P4P fighter out there. Ricky was simply out classed.
It had come so easy for Naz,that he developed alot of bad habits,when he got stuck in there with a really good fighter in Barrera,he didnt know what to do. You can see the confusion and bewilderment in his face for the later rounds of that fight. I think Naz got caught believing his own hype.

Hatton never once claimed he`d go his whole career unbeaten.

Hamed got beat because he was too reserved and afraid to get his hands dirty. Hatton on the other hand lost because he was too fool hardy and kept looking for that big KO punch.

Hatton came back from defeat like a true champion should, Hamed fell into oblivion and was never seen again (but for the whole calvo debacle)



Im sorry but can someone please explain to me the similaritys as its completely lost on me!!

Hamed would have knocked seven shades out of Hatton at 10 stone, no doubt.

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My thoughts are, that if Naz had've stayed with Ingle and continued to box rather than rely on single shots he could've beaten Barerra, Hatton could NEVER have beaten PBF.

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Your right with this comment mate.

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Originally Posted by ICB

Both men were on a high until they both went to America for the 1st time when they were both exposed somewhat, Naz against Kelley, Hatton against Collazo. Then they both have major fights and both were dominated, then they both have one comeback fight and don't look like the same fighters, and now by the looks of it Hatton is retiring just like Naz did whats your thoughts on this ??

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Since when is Hatton retiring? He is fighting the hairdo from hell this fall.

I dont see any connections between Naz and Hatton. Hatton is seeing it through.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

My thoughts are, that if Naz had've stayed with Ingle and continued to box rather than rely on single shots he could've beaten Barerra, Hatton could NEVER have beaten PBF.

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I duno I think Barrera had his number . I agree with your assessment of Hatton Floyd though ;D

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Since when is Hatton retiring? He's got a fight with powderpuff next followed by possible fights with Pac and the like.

I don't really see the comparison at all to be honest.

Hatton just fought in front of 55,000 adoring fans. Naz, over a year after the Barrera loss, chose Manuel Calvo as a comeback and looked so piss poor, and so clearly out of love with boxing, that he was booed out of the ring, never to be seen again.

Apart from being Brits that have/had great careers.. i don't see it. :-\

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ICB will be right if he loses to Paulie. Same rise to fame, same downfall, not being the same after the first loss.

Hatton will probably destroy Pac if they meet. But also would Hamed if he fought a Bantamweight.

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My thoughts are, that if Naz had've stayed with Ingle and continued to box rather than rely on single shots he could've beaten Barerra, Hatton could NEVER have beaten PBF.

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Hey Big H , about Naz/Barrera , i dont think so , Naz never could beat Barrera , he gave to Naz a real damn beat , if Naz would want fight again in that moment , Barrera could give him another beat............;D
I never liked that Naz.............

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I always said (as far back as 96-97) that Naz would not beat Barerra! but if he had stayed with Ingle, he may have had a chance

Off the topic has anyone else heared Hatton v Pauli will b in october and not november???

I think the Sept 11 ordeal was a big part of Naseems retirement

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Originally Posted by ICB

Both men were on a high until they both went to America for the 1st time when they were both exposed somewhat, Naz against Kelley, Hatton against Collazo. Then they both have major fights and both were dominated, then they both have one comeback fight and don't look like the same fighters, and now by the looks of it Hatton is retiring just like Naz did whats your thoughts on this ??

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once again u post dissapointing tipoic.


Naz and hatton are nothing a like.

Naz was ended by a mexican, Barrera, full stop. Sure he was put down by kelly, but he won and he became biggesr in the states for it!


Now hatton stepped up at stupid notice to fight at a weight he should never, ever be at, and won. even tho i had callazo winning it, hatton won.

I have always said, and will allways maintain, hatton should of been a lightwight, he has always been a small Light welter; He got a fucking lesson when he fought floyd that is a fact, but he was at a weight he should never ever have fought at.

To compare hatton and naz is fucking stupid.

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My thoughts are, that if Naz had've stayed with Ingle and continued to box rather than rely on single shots he could've beaten Barerra, Hatton could NEVER have beaten PBF.

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Hey Big H , about Naz/Barrera , i dont think so , Naz never could beat Barrera , he gave to Naz a real damn beat , if Naz would want fight again in that moment , Barrera could give him another beat............;D
I never liked that Naz.............

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I always said (as far back as 96-97) that Naz would not beat Barerra! but if he had stayed with Ingle, he may have had a chance

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If naz and marco had a rematch, barrera would of knocked naz the fuck out.

I know the build up, i have watched it a million times, barerra said he did not fear his pwoer; he might not of been scared of it, but he respected it, he boxed and purly boxed that fight until he had naz done.

If they had fought again marco would of gone at him more and knocked the fucking bitch out.

towards the end of the fight, after he had taken a few of the "princes" punches he opened up more and smashed the lil bitch,


HE started off wary, because of the morales fight, he beat erik but got fucked, so decided to box and win the round on points to make sure he wasnt fucked like the morales fight, he respected naz's power and schooled the lil cunt, Once the gao was clear he opened up and hit the lil bitch accros the ring, simple as.

Rematch would of ended in nax being knocked the fuck out.

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towards the end of the fight, after he had taken a few of the "princes" punches he opened up more and smashed the lil bitch,


HE started off wary, because of the morales fight, he beat erik but got fucked, so decided to box and win the round on points to make sure he wasnt fucked like the morales fight, he respected naz's power and schooled the lil cunt, Once the gao was clear he opened up and hit the lil bitch accros the ring, simple as.

Rematch would of ended in nax being knocked the fuck out.

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Too bad it never happened then.

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Both men were on a high until they both went to America for the 1st time when they were both exposed somewhat, Naz against Kelley, Hatton against Collazo. Then they both have major fights and both were dominated, then they both have one comeback fight and don't look like the same fighters, and now by the looks of it Hatton is retiring just like Naz did whats your thoughts on this ??

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once again u post dissapointing tipoic.


Naz and hatton are nothing a like.

Naz was ended by a mexican, Barrera, full stop. Sure he was put down by kelly, but he won and he became biggesr in the states for it!


Now hatton stepped up at stupid notice to fight at a weight he should never, ever be at, and won. even tho i had callazo winning it, hatton won.

I have always said, and will allways maintain, hatton should of been a lightwight, he has always been a small Light welter; He got a fucking lesson when he fought floyd that is a fact, but he was at a weight he should never ever have fought at.

To compare hatton and naz is fucking stupid.

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I replied to this twice but my computer messed up don't feel like typing it up a 3rd time, but i'll just say this you obviously didn't read my post properly and you didn't get the topic and just went off on one. And you say another disappointing topic from me ?? when do i normally make disappointing topics ?? and please name me the last one i made that was disappoitning ?? i could actually insult you back but i won't. You disagree which is fine but just because you can't see what im saying doesn't make the topic stupid.

To a point they were similar. Both were protected most of their careers (not that they're alone in that respect). Both built a rep beating hyped up nobodies.

But here's where they diverge. Hatton padded his resume, but then stepped up. He fought a few decent guys, but then he fought Tszyu. Over the hill or not, Hatton took on the best and beat him. He then moved up in weight and took on a tough Collozo. He beat him, beat a HOFer in Castillo and then had the guts to challenge the best. He lost soundly, but has fought on. He'll still do some great things in boxing. Now he's talking about fighting the best from the weight under his. (Pac).

Naz, really fought no one. Wayne McCullogh and Kevin Kelly, 2 B-/C+ fighters. He avoided the numerous callouts he had at guys from 122 to 130. There were literally a dozen big fights he could've had. He fights avery tough Bererra and gets embarrassed. He fights once more and realizes he is a complete fraud and calls it quits. I laughed when he finally fought Berrara. I was hoping he would've been beaten down by so many other guys from 122, 126 and 130 back then. As a purest and a guy who's been in the ring, Hamed was offensive to everything I hold sacred about boxing. He did everything completely wrong and got away with against bums. When Bererra toyed with him and then slammed his head into the corner it was one of the most satisfying moments in boxing to me.

This from one American fan: Hatton has guts and earns respect. To compare him to that side show Hamed is an insult to Ricky. Not in the same league as fighters or in guts. Hamed was a total joke. Hatton is a fighter.

I do not see the comparison, Hatton was a legitimate champ and has a win against an ATG. He still has a lot to do and he should achieve some major goals before retirement. Hamed failed miserably at his only attempt against an A list fighter and then wimped out altogether by retiring without a rematch or fighting another A lister like Morales. Hatton should beat Powderpuff and accept the Pacman challenge at 140lb. I have said this before Hamed was the Prince who turned back into a toad!

On HBO's Pac-JMM 2 countdown. They also talked about Naz ducking JMM. Is that true?

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My thoughts are, that if Naz had've stayed with Ingle and continued to box rather than rely on single shots he could've beaten Barerra, Hatton could NEVER have beaten PBF.

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I don't think Hamed could ever beat Barrera. I don't care who his trainer was. Barrera is just to disciplined for Hamed

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To a point they were similar. Both were protected most of their careers (not that they're alone in that respect). Both built a rep beating hyped up nobodies.

But here's where they diverge. Hatton padded his resume, but then stepped up. He fought a few decent guys, but then he fought Tszyu. Over the hill or not, Hatton took on the best and beat him. He then moved up in weight and took on a tough Collozo. He beat him, beat a HOFer in Castillo and then had the guts to challenge the best. He lost soundly, but has fought on. He'll still do some great things in boxing. Now he's talking about fighting the best from the weight under his. (Pac).

Naz, really fought no one. Wayne McCullogh and Kevin Kelly, 2 B-/C+ fighters. He avoided the numerous callouts he had at guys from 122 to 130. There were literally a dozen big fights he could've had. He fights avery tough Bererra and gets embarrassed. He fights once more and realizes he is a complete fraud and calls it quits. I laughed when he finally fought Berrara. I was hoping he would've been beaten down by so many other guys from 122, 126 and 130 back then. As a purest and a guy who's been in the ring, Hamed was offensive to everything I hold sacred about boxing. He did everything completely wrong and got away with against bums. When Bererra toyed with him and then slammed his head into the corner it was one of the most satisfying moments in boxing to me.

This from one American fan: Hatton has guts and earns respect. To compare him to that side show Hamed is an insult to Ricky. Not in the same league as fighters or in guts. Hamed was a total joke. Hatton is a fighter.

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Hamed was a legitimately GOOD fighter who ran into a better one. I have the Barrera fight on DVD and let me tell ya, Hamed just would never have been able to beat him. I don't think it's a stretch to say that he's lucky he never ran into Morales. Because of their different styles Naz would've gotten it much worse. I'd be happy to expound on this but I'm sure the point would be granted.

Sorry to be doctor negative but Hatton was a legitimately GOOD fighter who beat Kostya Tszyu and did little before or since to merit his status.

Both Naz and Hatton have styles that are not built for longevity - Hattons lifestyle will further accelerate the end of his.

I think Hatton will cope better with defeat than Naz - towards the end Naz actually started to believe that he could not lose - Hatton I think was sensible enough to realise that almost all fighters lose at some point and so his first loss will not have the same impact on him mentally.

Early version Naz - the mover and multiple punch thrower - would have given Barrera alll sorrts of problems. I would see Naz catching MAB much like Poison did when he fought him. By the time Naz fought MAB he was already mentally 'gone' and his main physical attribute - his reflexes - were on the way too. I'm not taking anything away from MAB - what a great fighter he is and what action he has given us. Styles make fights though and early Naz would have caused him issues.

I'm not to proud or patriotic to admit that British fighters suffer from the level of sparring they get - the depth of quality in America is so great that American fighters seem more prepared when it comes to the 'big' fights in their career.

[quote=GRBOXINGFAN;536383]To a point they were similar. Both were protected most of their careers (not that they're alone in that respect). Both built a rep beating hyped up nobodies.

Naz, really fought no one. Wayne McCullogh and Kevin Kelly, 2 B-/C+ fighters. He avoided the numerous callouts he had at guys from 122 to 130.
quote]I wouldnt say naz was protected he won the european belt in his 12th fight then he moved up after defending it once then he won a world title at 20 fights i wouldnt call that protected and he was 1 of the youngest world champions ever.

Naz and Hatton are not similar at all really Naz won a world title at 21 in his 20th fight for a genuine title the WBO not the WBU.He fought for his first time at feather against a man who was world champ in his own backyard of wales ranked about 5th or 6th in the world by the ring at the time i think.He dominated him and stopped him in 8 rounds he defended that title 15 times in 5 year and beat all the champions.He beat the number1 in the world and remained number 1 for about 4 year he reached number 5 in the P4P ratings.I personally think Naz doesn't get enough praise for his achievements basically because he isn't as down to earth as Hatton or calzaghe but lets have it right he did as much as them and alot quicker.W36-L1 with 31KO's isn't a bad way to end your career i wish he had boxed on and i wish he had stayed with Ingle but he didn't and thats that.

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My thoughts are, that if Naz had've stayed with Ingle and continued to box rather than rely on single shots he could've beaten Barerra, Hatton could NEVER have beaten PBF.

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I don't think Hamed could ever beat Barrera. I don't care who his trainer was. Barrera is just to disciplined for Hamed

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Another great post !

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My thoughts are, that if Naz had've stayed with Ingle and continued to box rather than rely on single shots he could've beaten Barerra, Hatton could NEVER have beaten PBF.

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Hatton never had a chance to try to beaqt Mayweather . The biased Joe Cortez made sure of that.
A refereeing disgrace

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My thoughts are, that if Naz had've stayed with Ingle and continued to box rather than rely on single shots he could've beaten Barerra, Hatton could NEVER have beaten PBF.

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I don't think Hamed could ever beat Barrera. I don't care who his trainer was. Barrera is just to disciplined for Hamed

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Another great post !

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Hey VD whatcha doin ??

naz overlook barerra in that fight

still think naz couldn't beat him if he did took him serious

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My thoughts are, that if Naz had've stayed with Ingle and continued to box rather than rely on single shots he could've beaten Barerra, Hatton could NEVER have beaten PBF.

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I don't think Hamed could ever beat Barrera. I don't care who his trainer was. Barrera is just to disciplined for Hamed

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Another great post !

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Yes it was an outstanding post