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That's according to Oscar, one more fight and he wants it to be Cotto. Assuming, of course, that Cotto wins. Margarito doesn't hold the same appeal I guess.
Its on Dan Rafael's notebook: ESPN - Notebook: De La Hoya calling it a career with one last fight in December - Boxing
I think I've got a rep bet with JT if this comes off.
Hey OumaFan , is obvious that you will going to win my friend.......;D
I wonder if Margarito would have appeal to Oscar should he beat Cotto? If that happens it will be interesting to see if Oscar still tries for a fight with Cotto or goes for Tony? If neither, then who? I wouldn't mind seeing a DeLa Hoya/Williams fight personally. Hell, he fought Forbes; Williams is a bigger step up from him IMO.
Well it seems to me that Oscar either is confident that Cotto beats Tony or is not interested in Margo even if he blows Cotto out.
I don't see a Williams fight happening, he's not a big name (and Oscar's going to want a big name if this is really his last fight), and he's a physical freak, an octopus with a awkward style.
So if Cotto loses to Tony (I don't think he will but who knows) then what does Oscar do assuming PBF stays retired? Winky?
Not saying Margarito is or is not a better fighter then Cotto but I will say he is a more Dangerous opponent for Oscar. Especially the way he has performed his last 2 fights. Tony is a stand up fighter who throws straight punches and likes to bang. He also is taller then DLH with the same reach.
Cotto is smaller with a 6" less reach it would be a much easier fight for Oscar to stay outside away from danger.
Though Cotto is a murderous body puncher and Oscar does not like to be hit in the body.
Cotto is the best choice IMO...I mean "The Golden Boy" is saying his good bye and in his last he should face a big,BIG name...And now with Mayweather gone Cotto is the best welterweigth and he is exciting to watch...Oscar is showing some guts for wanting Cotto...especially if you consider that his only ko loss came from a bodypunch...This fight,if its happens,should be awesome...
Maybe Hatton? Guess we'll find out soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
IMO , if Margaro defeat to Cotto , Oscar should give the shot to Margaro , because would be the Best WW , but by the other way Cotto to me could represents more money than Margaro , so probably Oscar would give the shot to Cotto...................:cool:
maybe they should fight in puerto rico
i hope hit happens
Didn't Millie say something about not wanting ODLH to fight another Puerto Rican :confused: Oh well.
I think Delahoya has a great shot in this fight... I think his jab, size and chin will make a world of difference in this fight... I see Oscars chin holding up better than Cotto's
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
I dont know if this is an another way for make publicity , you know....;D
Yes sir you are gonna be oweing me some rep...Quote:
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Hey JT , can you say who ?.....:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
The question here is IF the fight comes off does Cotto move up to 154 or does ODLH move down to 147?
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Will it be at a catchweight?
Regardles I think Cotto wins this one. ODLH clearly is waaay past his best.
When you've been figthing for sooooo long and you are clearly wining a fight with your jab you just don't stop throwing for no apparent reason.
Oh! Wait sorry scratch that I almost forgot. "It wasn't the night of the jab" :beat: Come on ODLH you've never had good legs you've never had good stamina you can't box for 12 rounds and that is clear.
I willing to bet that he fights the winner of this fight whether it's Cotto or Margarito.
Margarito can't a straight punch to save his life, as you will see on July 26, Cotto throws much tighter, sharper punches, and IMO hits harder. Cotto is a much better boxer, and he is a much better body puncher. I think Cotto poses a way bigger problem for Oscar than Margarito would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Put Em' Up
The thing I think that makes OScar not want to fight MArgarito, and I am not sure if everyone knows this is that Margarito used to be Oscar's sparring partner, and so what is the point in fighting a guy who you didn't really have that much of a problem with. Oscar is always searching for the most difficult fight, most interesting fight he can, and thats why he wants Cotto.
I dont know dude... I dont think Cotto can take a clean flush Delahoya hook on the chin and like Mick mentioned Oscar cant go 12 on fresh legs anymore.. The Jury is still out with me, now that this fight might actually be a reality...Quote:
Originally Posted by MachoHey JT , can you say who ?.....:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Mute point though seeing Cotto is gonna finish the Margarito fight tits up.. ;D
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
He wasn't clearly beating Mayweather when he stopped throwing jab, stop being delusional. He was hardly landing the jab, and Mayweather was countering it with right hands several times, and Oscar wasn't effective at all with Mayweather against the ropes. While Mayweather was picking apart his defense by potshotting. Mayweather was up 4-3 by the 8th when Oscar stopped throwing his jab, and from that point on Oscar didn't win a round.
As for the stamina Oscar always faded late in his toughest fights, Trinidad, Hopkins, Mosley x2, now Mayweather. Oscar doens't have horrible stamina, its just hard to go 12 full rounds fighting how he does.
Cotto had difficulties with Mosley for whatever reason, he was clearly in control of the fight, and whether it was a cut or whatever he took his foot off the gas and was bullied for 2 or 3 rounds before he came back in the 11th.
As for good legs? What does that mean exactly? Oscar showed great movement against Hopkins, against Trinidad, against Mosley in their second fight. Since moving up from the lower weight categories he has had as good of a chin as anyone.
Sure Oscar is a little slower(not that much slower), sure he doesn't quite have as much power, but he does have a lot better defense, and larger tool box in terms of punches he throws well, and he still has that desire in the ring, still has great handspeed, chin, boxing skills, jab, etc.
I would say Oscar now would match up a lot better against the 2000 version of himself than most of you guys seem to think.
Oscar has shown in his fight against Forbes that he can fight a decent pace over 12 rnds without fading...So the stamina problems isn't there if he prepares himself accordingly...
Not to forget that both guys are leftys fighting orthodox...which makes the left hook their main weapon...only Cotto goes to the body and Oscar is a headhunter...Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Really? Oscar's hardest punches against Forbes were his left hooks to the body from my point of view, and he did more work to the body against Mayweather than he was able to upstairs. Oscar has always been a good body puncher, not a great one like Cotto, but a good one at the very least.
I think Cotto is the best option for DLH should he get by Margarito. There is no one else that would be as big a draw for Oscars last fight around the weight!
I think it would be at a catch weight
Exactly...Cotto is a star...even if Magarito wins he wouldn't get the recognition that Cotto gets...Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Wasn't the Forbes fight at welterweight,if so theres no need for catch weigth...
I think the Forbes fight was at 150 & Oscar was struggling to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAssExactly...Cotto is a star...even if Magarito wins he wouldn't get the recognition that Cotto gets...Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Wasn't the Forbes fight at welterweight,if so theres no need for catch weigth...
Other than Pavlik & Cotto there are no other super fights around for De La Hoye. I don't think Pavlik is an option for Oscar after what happened against Hopkins at 160.
I think Mosley-De La Hoya, or Hatton-Oscar in early 09 would work. or even Pacquaio vs DLH as far stretched as it is could happen, I mean nobody expected Mayweather to move up to 147 let alone 154 to fight a guy like Oscar.
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Originally Posted by GalaxyI think the Forbes fight was at 150 & Oscar was struggling to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAssExactly...Cotto is a star...even if Magarito wins he wouldn't get the recognition that Cotto gets...Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Wasn't the Forbes fight at welterweight,if so theres no need for catch weigth...
Other than Pavlik & Cotto there are no other super fights around for De La Hoye. I don't think Pavlik is an option for Oscar after what happened against Hopkins at 160.
You were right...just checked boxrec...the Forbes fight was at 150...and if Oscar struggled with it as you said(I really don't know if he did or did not) he won't get 3 1/2 lbs off to make welterweight...just like you said...
I'm not 100% sure if DLH struggled to get to 150. But I remember reading an interview leading up to the Forbes fight where Oscar was saying he was struggling to get to 150. Either way I think a catch weight of 150 would be fair to both guys.Quote:
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Originally Posted by GalaxyI think the Forbes fight was at 150 & Oscar was struggling to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
Other than Pavlik & Cotto there are no other super fights around for De La Hoye. I don't think Pavlik is an option for Oscar after what happened against Hopkins at 160.
You were right...just checked boxrec...the Forbes fight was at 150...and if Oscar struggled with it as you said(I really don't know if he did or did not) he won't get 3 1/2 lbs off to make welterweight...just like you said...
Taeth as for DLH/ Mosley I think that could be another potential match-up but Cotto beat Mosley although by the narrowest of margins IMO so Cotto with his following & victories is still the better opponent for Oscars last fight IMO.
Oscar want Dec 6 to be his last fight so I don't see a Hatton fight happenening but who knows? How many other fighters have comeback?
I dont have this fight in my mind , this fight is out of match , Oscar just can reach to 154 pnd......
Although , Cotto can defeat to Oscar in WW and JMW , Oscar dont has the same Style when fought with Trinidad , he now has to step up to fight with less movements to avoid getting tire , he changed since that fight and that is his disadvantage against Cotto , now if we would see Oscar fighting Cotto in that time probably would get more chance to win , by his good footwork , a consistence lateral movement , his good jabs and technicals combinations skills etc......
Im sure that Cotto could KO Oscar in both Div...Cotto could would worn out him and after of round 7-8 could KO................;D
I don't think Cotto stops DLH, he may even be slightly behind on the cards going into the second half of the fight. But then DLH will fade as he tends to do & Cotto will take over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macho
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Originally Posted by TaethMargarito can't a straight punch to save his life, as you will see on July 26, Cotto throws much tighter, sharper punches, and IMO hits harder. Cotto is a much better boxer, and he is a much better body puncher. I think Cotto poses a way bigger problem for Oscar than Margarito would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Put Em' Up
The thing I think that makes OScar not want to fight MArgarito, and I am not sure if everyone knows this is that Margarito used to be Oscar's sparring partner, and so what is the point in fighting a guy who you didn't really have that much of a problem with. Oscar is always searching for the most difficult fight, most interesting fight he can, and thats why he wants Cotto.
Yeah sure, Margarito would not be mcuh of a problem, that has to be the reason.:rolleyes: He is certainly no Stevie Forbes thats for sure:-\
According to this slide show Margarito has quite a few straight punches with power behind them
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Eu6XEYOdKXg
Maybe he has a different 42 fight resume that you have seen I have not?
I should refraise what I said, Margarito couldn't throw a good straight punch if his life depended on it. His jab is slow, I have no idea why CIntron had such a terrible time dealing with it, and his cross ... don't even get me started. His hooks are wider than the moon's orbit. The only "straightish" punch, and the only punch I see him being effective with is his uppercuts. Thats his bread and butter, and thats the best punch he can land.
ALso who has Margarito foughten, and beaten besides Clottey(who was beating him before he broke his hand)? Kermit Cintron? AM has proven less in the boxing world than Mayweather has proven in the MMA world. Regardless everything that he does that gives Cotto problems will not give Oscar problems, Oscar is taller, faster than Cotto, and he is far too slick, fast, skilled for a guy like Margarito to beat him, just look at Mayorga for evidence. This type of fighter isn't a challenge for Oscar.
You do that Oscar! Fight the winner of Cotto V Margarito and let PBF know all about it and you will regain a lot of lost respect in the boxing world.
You should have refraised that? You just did and it is still the same reply you put the first time. I am pretty sure in that slide show I see more then just Cintron getting caught with straight punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
The reason Cintron had such a hard time with Margarito is because the guy is a brutal fighter who will beat you up if you slip just a tad bit. From your post on this topic it sounds as if you are bitter about the guy. Who was the fighter you were once high on that he beat? Was it Cintron?
You keep your opinion and Ill keep mine. I will say this for anyone to use the arguement that a two time power punching iron jawed world champion would not be a challenge as a point of debate really does not come across as valid.
But each to their own
Hey Put Em Up , i think the reason Cintron had hard time with Margaro is because he was a real Moron and Brutal to do the same Stupid fight , his Brain dont give enough for fallow instruction to accept and see the reality that Margaro is more Superior than him at power level.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Put Em' UpYou should have refraised that? You just did and it is still the same reply you put the first time. I am pretty sure in that slide show I see more then just Cintron getting caught with straight punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
The reason Cintron had such a hard time with Margarito is because the guy is a brutal fighter who will beat you up if you slip just a tad bit. From your post on this topic it sounds as if you are bitter about the guy. Who was the fighter you were once high on that he beat? Was it Cintron?
You keep your opinion and Ill keep mine. I will say this for anyone to use the arguement that a two time power punching iron jawed world champion would not be a challenge as a point of debate really does not come across as valid.
But each to their own
He should know that................:cool:
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Originally Posted by MachoHey Put Em Up , i think the reason Cintron had hard time with Margaro is because he was a real Moron and Brutal to do the same Stupid fight , his Brain dont give enough for fallow instruction to accept and see the reality that Margaro is more Superior than him at power level.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Put Em' UpYou should have refraised that? You just did and it is still the same reply you put the first time. I am pretty sure in that slide show I see more then just Cintron getting caught with straight punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
The reason Cintron had such a hard time with Margarito is because the guy is a brutal fighter who will beat you up if you slip just a tad bit. From your post on this topic it sounds as if you are bitter about the guy. Who was the fighter you were once high on that he beat? Was it Cintron?
You keep your opinion and Ill keep mine. I will say this for anyone to use the arguement that a two time power punching iron jawed world champion would not be a challenge as a point of debate really does not come across as valid.
But each to their own
He should know that................:cool:
I agree, not too mention Cintron is not a mentally tough fighter so once things got heated the first fight started to flash back in his eyes.