Which excuses did you really buy into?

Whether its weight drain, personal problems, guys who broke their hands seemingly whenever they weren't dominant, what excuses do you think were totally legit or at least more so than other ones?

I'm not really sure I bought into MAB's problems making a huge difference in the first Pac fight. Some do obviously. I do think Roy screwed his body up a bit going up to heavyweight and then coming back down for his fights with Tarver. Weight drain didn't help Toney versus Jones but I don't think it was a deciding factor. I'm not even a big Margarito fan at all but I have always been annoyed by the claim that Clottey would have dominated him if he hadn't "broken" his hand.

There are a lot of other ones obviously. Which seem to be the most believable to you and which seem like BS?

I forgot who it was, but didn't someone{Duran:confused:} blame his socks?:rolleyes:

I really don't necessarily believe or disbelieve fighters excuses; as it's hard to know the truth. But blaming your socks is utterly ridiculous.

I'm a sucker I usually buy into most excuses except for the stuff that happens in the ring basically. And all the poisoning I hate all that.

I hate when fighters talk about their hands I hate it. Especially when you can sit there and watch the fight and see that their were clearly other factors at work. Like Malignaggi against Ndou the second time. Breaking your hand has nothing to do with you getting hit at will or at least I wouldn't think it does. I think the Clottey thing is garbage too especially considering that Clottey fades after the 5th round of every fight broken hand or not. Also, socks and gloves have really fueled my wish for Pacquiao to lose one of these days. Pac fans too. That is just ridiculous.

But when a fighter says that they had some personal problems or problems with weight I'm inclined to believe that. Or even when they say that they just didn't show up. I believe that too especially the last one because you can see it in the ring. Other stuff, I'm no one to second guess that.

So I buy into them but at the same time I never blame an excuse as the sole reason someone lost the fight. Big MAB fan and I'm sure the fires had an effect on the fight but ultimately it's the fighters responsibility to work around whatever problems they have to win the fight. Unless it's a fucked up promoter. A fucked up promoter just can't be worked around.

Good post Amat. I agree about the hand thing, why did breaking you're right hand prevent Paulie from jabbing? And the Clottey thing is preaching to the choir, I've been saying that all along. Clottey fades regularly, Margarito comes on late regularly, and yet people "know" what would have happened if he hadn't broken it. Oh yeah, he didn't break it.

How the hell did I forget Pac's socks ;D And Wlad being drugged ;D Classics.

Here's another one, what about Manny Steward talking about Hearns getting a leg massage. How upset he was because that would hurt his stamina and therefore they made the decision to fight, not box, and try to get it over with.

Long lasting current one would have to be the Clottey "Ouch my wittle hand" Vs.Margarito..........tired.Ist he said he hurt hand in the 4th round,then he said he injured BOTH hands 2 weeks prior to fight....yawn.

I vaguely recall Anthony Hembrick blaming a Bad haircut for throwing off his equilibrium in a fight he lost???

Most excuses are clearly just bullshit because the fighter has badly underperformed.

BUT

I believe ALL boxers deserve a little leeway. One loss in boxing is very harmful, it can ruin/end a career.. whereas in other sports, GREATS can lose multilpe times on the bounce without harming their status

Evander Holyfield was a fighter that rarely ever made excuses and he never became a flopper after getting hit low(I.E. Hopkins, Ruiz or Juhda)

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

Evander Holyfield was a fighter that rarely ever made excuses and he never became a flopper after getting hit low(I.E. Hopkins, Ruiz or Juhda)

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You're right about that. I remember those guys looking like they got shot in the balls to get the fight stopped.

I believed the excuse for the guy that ran out of the ring to go s*** mid fight. Can't remember his name but it had to be serious lol

My all time favorite is....


November 04, 2006
Floyd claimed he broke his hand during his fight against Carlos Baldomir. (Why he ran all night)
I know better and had the scoop. This was the night Floyd wore pink. (breast cancer my ass)
http://boxinghumor.net/wp-content/up.../brokenail.jpg
Gotta’ love those nails.
We all know Floyd is a little fruity ;D He has Leonard Ellerbe rubbing him everywhere they go ;D


I don't remember seeing Floyd in a cast after this fight, that is for sure.

;)

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

My all time favorite is....


November 04, 2006
Floyd claimed he broke his hand during his fight against Carlos Baldomir. (Why he ran all night)
I know better and had the scoop. This was the night Floyd wore pink. (breast cancer my ass)
http://boxinghumor.net/wp-content/up.../brokenail.jpg
Gotta’ love those nails.
We all know Floyd is a little fruity ;D He has Leonard Ellerbe rubbing him everywhere they go ;D


I don't remember seeing Floyd in a cast after this fight, that is for sure.

;)

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You really bought into that shit?

john ruiz was beating so bad by jones he thought the fight was riggedd
by the ref, hahaha no hug-off that night

I remember people saying Eubank was scared by Collins getting hypnotised or some shit, can't really remember.
Also Benn v Collins claimed he'd no ankle support, tbh I think Benns heart
was no longer in it at that stage.
Ruiz saying Toney only won because he was on the droids. not buying that shit

oh don't forget baller27..? think he had one or two excuses ;D

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Originally Posted by LEGION

I forgot who it was, but didn't someone{Duran:confused:} blame his socks?:rolleyes:

I really don't necessarily believe or disbelieve fighters excuses; as it's hard to know the truth. But blaming your socks is utterly ridiculous.

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It was Manny Pacquiao after the Juan Manuel Marquez fight i believe, i'll buy Roy Jones Jr excuse after the 1st Antonio Tarver fight being badly weight drained after moving down from Heavyweight thats a legit excuse IMO.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Most excuses are clearly just bullshit because the fighter has badly underperformed.

BUT

I believe ALL boxers deserve a little leeway. One loss in boxing is very harmful, it can ruin/end a career.. whereas in other sports, GREATS can lose multilpe times on the bounce without harming their status

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LOL Randall Tex Cobb summed it up perfectly when he asked
" Whats the difference in tennis and boxing???

In tennis yoiu screw up its 15 love screw up in boxing and your ass is on the canvas darlin LOL

Didn't Tarver also say he was drugged?

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Didn't Tarver also say he was drugged?

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Yea against Bernard Hopkins if i remember right.

Can't stand Clottey's crying. Wsa the worst for me especially considering his hand was fractured not broken and TOny had injuries coming into the fight but fought like a warrior without crying about it.

The ones I thought had an effect: Williams having an off night v Quintana the first time. Gatti's injuries(the guy was a warrior). Can't think of any others.

I lost a couple fights to a big time smack talker. I was forced into using the player 2 control rather than the player 1 control like usual. So everything was backward. We switched controls and I ktfo him. ;D

In relation to weight drain, I don't think that applies over 154.

In relation to hands, If a boxer can prove he broke his hand I will condone a terrible performance.

I can even condone the wrong socks excuse.

I dont believe that prime Roy Jones would have beaten the piss out of Vinny Pazienza had Vinny timed his coffee more precisely ;D

I belive that Hamed had a stinking cold when he struggled with Medina. I dont believe that Scott Harrison had exactly the same problem with exactly the same fighter.

I dont believe that Evander Holyfield rubbed anything other than his fists into Bobby Czyz(SP?) eyes.

I buy very few of them, once you step in the ring whatever problems you have don't count anymore. I do belive miranda's excuse against pavlik since at least to me he didn't look like the same fighter, but even that one i don't like cause i still think it sucks to take away from another fighter win when he did what he needed to do to get ready.

Taking nothing away from Pavlik (he's an absolute beast), Miranda didn't look right that night.

Enzo mac claiming he was unlucky to get caught by haye.

Love big enzo to death but it was hardly like david wasnt hitting him hard before the knockdown.

Had enzo of used his ring savvy he would of taken a knee straight after that overhand right and given himself time to recover, instead he foolhardedly tried to show haye he wasnt hurt and that resulted in david getting the 7-8 punch combo that meant enzo would have no chance to recover within 10 seconds!!

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

Evander Holyfield was a fighter that rarely ever made excuses and he never became a flopper after getting hit low(I.E. Hopkins, Ruiz or Juhda)

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Holyfield? The guy always had some kind of ailment that hindered his performance.

The Czyz fight there were ailments, the Moorer "heart attack" (Holyfield later said it was when the hospital gave him too much morphine), the hepatitis against Bowe (Holyfield said nothing about feeling sick until a couple months later), the busted eardrum against Ruiz, the leg cramps against Lewis, "Everyone knows I won the fight" after the Lewis rematch, etc...

I think Holyfield even claimed he won the first fight against Lewis. ;D

I believe Vinny Paz's "I came down too fast from my caffeine high" against Roy Jones. Also, George Foreman's "I was about to knock Ali out but I got distracted because I saw my friend in the audience betray me by rooting for Ali" was dead on. And Hector Camacho Sr's "I was still bothered by a mean look that my mother gave me in the dressing room" excuse for his performance against Edwin Rosario.


No seriously, I rarely buy the excuses. One thing I might buy was the Fan Man crashing down. After a great previous two rounds for Holyfield, Bowe seemed to have been turning things around in round 7 and was having an excellent round, jabbing Holyfield seemingly at will before Fan Man crashed down. Bowe ended up losing round 7 on the cards when Holyfield did better after the break, and Bowe lost the title by 1 and 2 pts, after his pregnant wife got carried out of the arena on a stretcher.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Whether its weight drain, personal problems, guys who broke their hands seemingly whenever they weren't dominant, what excuses do you think were totally legit or at least more so than other ones?

I'm not really sure I bought into MAB's problems making a huge difference in the first Pac fight. Some do obviously. I do think Roy screwed his body up a bit going up to heavyweight and then coming back down for his fights with Tarver. Weight drain didn't help Toney versus Jones but I don't think it was a deciding factor. I'm not even a big Margarito fan at all but I have always been annoyed by the claim that Clottey would have dominated him if he hadn't "broken" his hand.

There are a lot of other ones obviously. Which seem to be the most believable to you and which seem like BS?

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I belieeve Mabs excuse cuz the proof was in the ring . He did far better vs Pac when he was washed up so that night in Nov 03 it obvious he hadnt trained.

Roys excuse moving down I think was genuine too . It took some time to readjust to lightheavy but hes getting his bounce back now

I dont belive Pacs excuse of wearing the wrong socks for his 1st loss to Morales

I dont belive Hattons excuse vs Urango that he had a cold. It just looked liek he sensibly chose to box vs the stronger man .